1. It takes 1 clip to kill one guy.. with like.. every single gun. And you can hold.. umm... enough ammo to maybe kill 3 guys if you're lucky.

2. Every single time an enemy is near, you have no goddamn idea where it will come from. There are NEVER any enemies around, EVER. They just teleport in 10 feet behind you all the time. I NEVER EVER get the first shot off. I always get shot in the back, regardless of swinging my view 360 at 100 mph like a paranoid man (which HL2 has made me become). It wears REALLY thin, NEVER EVER being able to see an enemy until you're half-dead.

3. There are NO weapons at all that are good at long range. I wouldn't really have a problem with this, except that 80% of the enemies appear beyond the ideal range for shotgun/smg (which are the only guns in the game that give you any ammo). So it takes a clip or more to take out one guy. Bleh.

4. I am SO tired of every other scene being scripted. *YAWN*. I keep wanting to get past all this bull**** so I can get to the meat of the game, but when I got to the Citadel and I was still plowing through bull****, I got a little worried.

5. Tons and tons of poor gameplay descisions. Silt Striders or whatever they're called is the worst thing ever in any game. There's NEVER any ammo for the RPG when these things are around. Sigh. I've repeated scenes greater than 20 times. I don't like dying so much.

6. Most of the game, especially the harder parts, seems more like a rat maze than a FPS. Eventually if you die enough times, you remember exactly where to step, which barrel to avoid, which machine gun to run to before the enemy does, and the way you play becomes a pre-scripted adventure. I want a godamn FPS.

7. Too many environmental hazards. I want to fight the enemy, not the level.

8. There was one place in the game that was an insta-kill button. You press a button, and you're dead. This takes the game down a few notches right there.

9. The weapons are simply ineffective. They are not fun to use. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is a total chore to use. I hate using the 9mm pistol because it's very innacurate and you'll run out of ammo with it before you can do anything notworthy with it. The desert eagle is a chore to use because.. umm.. well... if I get some ammo for it I'll let you know! Hahah!

The smg... what a piece of trash this "gun" is. This gun takes 2 or 3 clips to kill someone with. It's weak, innacurate; it's only saving grace is the grenade launcher, but again, you can only use it a few times over the course of the game. No AMMO! I NEED ****ING AMMUNITION TO ENJOY A GUN.

The pulse rifle, Unfortunately I find myself playing 99.99999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999999999999999% of the game with this stupid gun. It's not bad, but it's too innacurate. Its secondary fire is totally inneffective.

The shotun; this may actually be the only gun that is *somewhat* fun to use. The only problem is, ammo is somewhat lacking most of the time and it's short range.

The dart gun: See desert eagle.

RPG: Highly effective, NO AMMO. It's impossible to do anything with this weapon unless you're near a rocket chest, therefore, that really sucks.

Gravity gun: Not useful for killing unless you happen to have a saw blade or wrench handy. Even then, usually the saw blade is lost after one use, since there's now a wall of enemies between you and it.

Other guns I might have missed: Too meager to even mention. Though nades have uses, I admit.

10. The level design is alright... though if I have to descend another flight of stairs, jump through a hole in the rubble, etc. I will kill myself. My biggest gripe is it's just too item-dependent. See enemy. Shoot enemy. Spend 5 minutes looking for ammo and health. Repeat.

So there you have it. I just can't enjoy this game. And it's because of the lack of ammo, weapons that are chores to use, and everything else I mentioned. Using the weapons is supposed to be fun.... I'm always afraid to squeeze off a round because I'm too worried about ammo conservation. That's NO fun.

Maybe hl2 doesn't suck, and you just suck at hl2?

I didn't like it because it was too scripted. Felt boring. Not to mention it just didn't look that great. :\

Yeah, I hate not having enough ammo for guns, especially since I go gun crazy on anything I see. That was my gripe about HL1, and I never actually beat that. In Doom 3, however, I never quite ran out of ammo. I may run out on one weapon, but I always have another to keep me busy until I stock up my reserves on the other one.

<3 Doom 3.

With some of the mods out now, Doom 3 looks to be assloads of fun. Gravity gun for it, the flashlight, gun mods, some of these...so cool looking.

I'd love to see some multiplayer maps with vehicles. <3 <3 <3

Man you guys suck. It took me like 3 pistols shots at most to get rid of just about everything up until you get the grav gun. I never had any ammo problems.

I'm a fanboy, so here goes nothing...


Not for me, on easy and medium.



Crossbow, magnum, pistol... All great at long range. Pulse rifle is decent. As for the ammo, the game gives you what you need.


How does being scriped affect the gameplay if it is fluid and no different than real AI

As far as I noticed, you usually run until you find an unlimited ammo crate then you can take them out. Until then you have to evade them.

7-9 Don't know what you're talking about, the weapons in this game have been the most amusing for me since UT games (hated Doom3 weapons), but I guess that's rather subjective. Also, if you're playing on hard, the weapon effectiveness is decreased, so that would explain alot..

10 - When I played it, the game was smooth and I never got stuck, or had to "spend time" doing something - I just followed the game right through.

Don't conserve ammo, it's scripted to give you what you need.

I only have two problems with HL2:

1. TOO LITTLE AMMO FOR EVERY FRIGGIN GUN

2. Too much time driving vehicles. I got sick of it after the first 5 minutes.

That's something that bothered me about HL1. All of my favorite weapons had very limited ammo, so I was forced to use guns I didn't really like. If it were up to me I would've been using the glock for the whole game.

I just hated HL1, and dislike HL2, and love Doom 3. Doom 3's expansion should also be badtacular.

Maybe I do "suck" at HL2. But hear me out.

You hear a bunch of nonsensical radio chatter. There must be enemies near. You swing your reticule around wildly in a futile attempt to locate the enemy. The enemy teleports into some random location and shoots you in the back. You line your reticule up on the enemy, and hold down the trigger.

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...

Your clip runs out. "Hmm.", you think to yourself. "I had my reticule directly over the enemy over the duration of the clip." You are left standing there being shot at. There's some cover nearby, so you take it. You pop back out and finish the guy ina bout half a clip.

RINSE.

REPEAT.

Nearly every encounter in HL-2 is like the one I described above. So make of it what you will. Though I do hope you fanboys have fun insulting me.

357 magnum is the best gun in the game. Yahoo.

Too scripted? Boring? Are you talking about Doom 3? If so I agree. Doom 3 was very very boring and repetitive, and SCRIPTED. It was obvious when an enemy was going to pop out, and I got sick and tired of walking and shooting, walking and shooting, walking and shooting. It got old after the first level.

HL2 may be scripted, but the gameplay kept on changing. You needed to use the physics to solve puzzles, the enemies didn't always show up in the exact same places like they did in Doom 3, you got to drive a few vehicles, the levels all screamed 'explore me!', and there is just so much much more you can do in half-life 2, and so many different ways of combat and gameplay.

If you think Half-Life 2 doesn't look good, You are 100% insane. Half-Life 2 is the most realistic looking game on the market. The faces on the characters are amazing with 40 facial muscles, it makes them look super realistic. The enviornments are very nice to look at, and sometimes you think you're looking at a photo! Unlike the overly bumpmapped and pitch black levels in Doom 3...that and the blocky player and enemy models.

I like how this thread had nothing to do with doom3 at all, but now it does!

LET IT ****ING GO. I didn't say a damn thing about Doom 3. Jesus SAJN, and they call ME a fanboy.

I could argue all your points, but I don't feel like hijacking this thread to post my Doom 3 > HL2 (which, btw, is my opinion, not necessarily fact) spiel.

First of all, this thread has nothing to do with DOOM 3. Secondly, it has nothing to do with graphics.

It's about GAMEPLAY.

About the ammo- this is a city under alien martial law... I wouldnt expect there to be much ammo laying around. Especially in some of the underground places.

Yeah, like we said, you suck at PLAYing the GAME. :p

You said HL2 was scripted and looked like crap, I just had to point out that Doom 3 your beloved game was also scripted, and then I had to point out how HL2 looked better. Please PM me with your D3 > HL2 'facts', because everytime you post "I could argue all your points, but I don't feel like it..." it usually means a person CAN'T back it up...but if you can I'd like very much to continue this in PM.

So then why don't we all just sit around a table and enjoy a cup of tea, then? That doesn't require ammunition. But, it's not any FUN.

SMG probably uses the most. I can take out someone with a pulse at medium range with 3 shells... SMG maybe 10-15. Magnum, 1. Crossbow, 1. Pistol, 3-5. Shotgun, 1-2.

Dunno how YOU are playing, but generally I aim for their head, not their toes.

I'm always seeing combine dropping in on ropes from above, coming through doors, etc. Zombies are usually just laying on the ground and get up when you pass by. About the only things that seem to come out of nowhere are headcrabs.


Uh... magnum owns long range, crossbow also. One shot kill in most instances. Plasma is also decent for handling these guys too.

To each his own. I enjoyed the scripted events, I thought they fit well into the gameplay, and they don't seem terribly long. Plenty of action for me.

You aren't looking too hard. There's always ammo crates with tons of em in it.

Quit dying so much :p

Apparently you hated HL1 then also. If you want pure action and nothing else, go play Painkiller.

Dunno where that was, but it was probably common sense that you shouldn't press it then.

Oh here we go again. The 9mm sucks, because its your first gun. So don't use it. Desert Eagle? Wtf? I think you mean magnum. Anyway, that gun rocks. You don't get much ammo because you don't need much. One shot pretty much kills everyone, unless, as I said before, you aim for their feet.

If it takes you 2-3 clips to kill someone, you must be sniping with it or something. All you have to do is aim for the head, they go down REALLY quick. I can take out 4-5 combine with it, one clip. And there is freakin ammo EVERYWHERE for this gun. I mean, for crying out loud, your dune buggy had an ammo thing in the back for it. I have so much ammo for this gun its coming out my ears.

It's inaccurate because it was intended as a medium range heavy assult weapon, not sniping. And the secondary fire is awesome against manhacks.

I use this gun a LOT. And the ammo is a little short on it, but I've yet to actually run out.

You mean the crossbow and magnum. Crossbow is insta-kill, and is only supposed to be used for far away targets. And the ammo is short because you are supposed to use it sparingly. If they loaded you up with ammo, you'd be using it like a machine gun, since it is a one hit kill.

That might be because its intended for taking out ships, not attacking poor combine soldiers. In the couple of instances where I actually found it handy, I still had ammo from the previous battle against a ship. I think you need to use nades a lot more, they're everywhere.

It's a selling point for HL2, I'll give you that. But the sawblade is easy to keep with you. Just gotta watch where your firing it. Aim it at a wall and it'll cut thru the guy and stick in the wall, and a secondary fire shot will bring it right back.

Crowbar is your GOD. Pheropods were fun but pointless. Nades are great for spamming and taking out the damned gun turrets.

Most ammo/health is like right next to the enemies. But meh.


So there you have it. No lack of ammo in reality (Remember, their heads are not on the floor, but on their necks! AIM HIGHER), weapons are fun if you use them for their intended purpose, and there was nothing else you mentioned besides scripting, and that's purely opinion.

I honestly haven't had a hard time killing any of the monsters/enemies on Easy and Medium...

Most of the combine soldiers take either 1-2 Shotgun shells, or a few 9mm Pistol shots.

Yeah you really blew it this time SAJN. People were making slight comparisons between HL2 and Doom 3.

And nothing was said about the graphics. Nothing.

Uhh...Yoshi...





Anyway, I love Half-Life 2. So nyah.

But I never said "YEAH SEE HL2 SUCKS AND DOOM THREE IS BETTAR LOLOLOLOLZ"

I just wish SAJN would stop posting the same BS that he does every time to try and irk me. Isn't baiting a bannable offense?

Also SAJN--I don't want to reply because we've had this argument a million times (sans the HL2 doesn't look that great part). I don't feel like explaining the intricate details of Doom 3's bumpmapping system or the lighting or anything. Because in the end you'll still be a HL2 fanboy, and will say something like "WELL DOOM 3 STILL SUCKS BECAUSE YOU JUST SHOOT THINGS" to try and piss me off.

This thread reeks of "I'm an attention whore! Lets incite an argument!"

WELL THATS WHAT YOU THINK (OBVIOUSLY)

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Actually, it's "I died for the 37th time in a row. I'm pretty pissed so I think I'll go post a thread."

I'm afraid my brain has melded into the demented claw of Jim Henson's FOOT FUNGUS for a mild fee of $55.42.

I'm sure there's a pic of gold leader saying "Stay on topic!" somewhere on the internet, so insert that here: <pic>

This should liven things up.

You guys really need to chill out. HL2 and Doom 3 are 2 different games. Who cares which one is better? If you dont like one don't announce it on EVERY THREAD.

This thread is about HL2 and only hl2.
Its about why he didnt like hl2, not why doom 3 is better.
so just stop.

[edit]Woops... what MB said!

Nobody's said Doom 3 is better. I said I liked it more, but not why, or that it was a fact that Doom 3 was better.

<3!!!