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Counter Strike
2005-03-25, 11:04 PM #121
Yeah, I still do it, forgetting that it won't work, and end up having to wait for it to click on at least 3 times before I wait the entirety of the arming.
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2005-03-25, 11:41 PM #122
There was just a news update on Steam today that said they are beta testing some cheat detecting software before it goes live... whenever it does.
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2005-03-26, 10:26 AM #123
Probably install more stuff into your computer and works its fingers even deeper into the game.
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2005-03-26, 11:57 AM #124
Bob: This is the next generation of the same anti-cheat software used in Counter-Strike. Of course it's going to work itself into the game, how the hell would you prevent cheaters otherwise? :rolleyes:

2005-03-26, 12:13 PM #125
Well anyone up for a Massassi CS Source game? I know I am.
2005-03-26, 12:29 PM #126
Quote:
Originally posted by The_Mega_ZZTer
Bob: This is the next generation of the same anti-cheat software used in Counter-Strike. Of course it's going to work itself into the game, how the hell would you prevent cheaters otherwise? :rolleyes:


Have Valve send minions to player's homes with pointy sticks to beat them with :p
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2005-03-26, 1:39 PM #127
Quote:
Originally posted by -Monoxide-
Well anyone up for a Massassi CS Source game? I know I am.

YES. I think I proposed one back on page 2. :p
2005-03-26, 3:25 PM #128
We had one a while back, 5 or 6 of us I think.
2005-03-30, 6:30 PM #129
*Minor-rant warning

This is kinda like beating a dead horse, but in Shintock's server today I had people accuse me of wallhacking. I am most DEFINITLY not. I have never downloaded a cheat in my life, I don't even use BUY SCRIPTS. I used to exploit bunny-hopping, but IMHO that was a skill as well. (It was pre 1.5 jumping, so it's not really a factor anymore)

We were playing office, and I was playing CS exactly the way I do ALL the time, and I was doing pretty good. It doesn't surprise me that some people thought I was cheating, but I can't help but bring it up in this debate. Here's an excerpt from my console log. (I have the whole thing if anyone really cares)

Quote:
Freelancer : Man rob you totally save my life there
Pirogoeth : BEST NADE EVER
\m/tofu : Connection Problem, please stop hacking
Freelancer : thanks
Rob : Thought I saw one of you pajama boys.
WARNING: Connection Problem! : heh
\m/tofu : It's obvious you have a wallhack
WARNING: Connection Problem! : thanks
[GAT]Omicron killed Freelancer with sg552.
\m/tofu : get rid of it or leave
WARNING: Connection Problem! : are you joking?
\m/tofu : no
\m/tofu : But I've been spectating you
WARNING: Connection Problem! : please post this on the forum
[GAT]Omicron attacked a teammate
Rob killed Spe with ump45.
WARNING: Connection Problem! : it cracks me up
-=BLK=- Enf!lade killed Wuss with ak47.
WARNING: Connection Problem! killed Rob with ak47.
\m/tofu killed [GAT]Omicron with m4a1.
WARNING: Connection Problem! killed \m/tofu with ak47.
Snake killed WARNING: Connection Problem! with m4a1.
Player: WARNING: Connection Problem! - Damage Given
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Damage Given to "\m/tofu" - 118 in 2 hits
Damage Given to "Rob" - 60 in 2 hits
Damage Given to "Snake" - 99 in 3 hits
Player: WARNING: Connection Problem! - Damage Taken
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Damage Taken from "Rob" - 16 in 1 hit
Damage Taken from "Snake" - 112 in 2 hits
-=BLK=- Enf!lade attacked a teammate
*DEAD* \m/tofu : You knwo exactly where everyopne is
-=BLK=- Enf!lade : rank
Player -=BLK=- Enf!lade is ranked 6/22 with 172 kills, 99 deaths, kd ratio 1.74
*DEAD* Freelancer : Yeah you ran right to them
*DEAD* WARNING: Connection Problem! : kind of
*DEAD* \m/tofu : I can see you tracking people through walls
Pirogoeth killed Tony with sg552.
*DEAD* Rob : rank
Player Rob is ranked 17/22 with 132 kills, 140 deaths, kd ratio 0.94
Player Rob is ranked 17/22 with 132 kills, 140 deaths, kd ratio 0.94
*DEAD* WARNING: Connection Problem! : I have 200 dollar headphones
*DEAD* [GAT]Omicron : statsme
*DEAD* WARNING: Connection Problem! : and 3 years of experience in 3 leagues
(Terrorist) Pirogoeth @ T Spawn : HES GOT THEM
*DEAD* \m/tofu : So that tells you where people are?
*DEAD* Rob : Which obviously enable you to track people through walls!
*DEAD* Freelancer : Guys lighten up
*DEAD* \m/tofu : Makes no sense to me
*DEAD* WARNING: Connection Problem! : playing 2-3 on site tournaments every year.
*DEAD* WARNING: Connection Problem! : and I'm not even good at source.
*DEAD* \m/tofu : Ok, but if I see more evidence at wallhacks I will ban you
*DEAD* \m/tofu : of wallhacks
Snake killed Pirogoeth with m4a1.
*DEAD* Pirogoeth : got damnit
*DEAD* Pirogoeth : omg 1hp
*DEAD* WARNING: Connection Problem! : I'm not wallhacking, so you'll have no proof.
*DEAD* Pirogoeth : if we dont win
*SPEC* \m/tofu : I'll kicik you anyway under a suspiscion
*SPEC* \m/tofu : I have witnesses
*DEAD* WARNING: Connection Problem! : alright
*SPEC* \m/tofu : ok, good
*DEAD* WARNING: Connection Problem! : I'll just pm shintock
*SPEC* \m/tofu : ok
-=BLK=- Enf!lade killed Snake with ak47.
*DEAD* WARNING: Connection Problem! : sort it out with him
Pirogoeth : THANK GOD


I think I did the right thing here - told him to pm Shintock, pm'd him myself, left the server a few minutes later. What else could I have done? I HATE to sound like an arrogant prick, but if I'm actually this much better, what can I do?

Anyways, this post isn't about beef on Shintock's server. I hold nothing against Tofu or any of the others in the server at a time - I'm sure you're all great guys. But seriously, 95% of the time when you "suspect" someone of cheating (and I'm not talking about the times where you see someone flying through windows and getting to the enemy spawn in 5 seconds, I KNOW those guys are cheating too), you are wrong. Accept it.

If any of you still honestly think I'm cheating, let me know next time you're in the Toronto area, and I'll play a few rounds with ya for fun. I'll do the things I did today in front of your eyes, without hacks or cheats. I'm sure Mikus would testify that I run **** in CS, I've mopped the floor with him and his friends before, but that's besides the point ;)

I don't even have a problem with Shintock or any other admin if they ban players simply because they're better. I know for a fact it's much more fun to play with people of your own skill level - that's why I got into tournaments and leagues. Power to you - more fun for everyone.

I'm sure there's a few of you here at Massassi who could own me in CSS (And significantly fewer of you that can do the same thing in 1.6 ;)), and I know from firsthand experience that there are thousands of others in the world who are exponentially better than me, without cheats! The scale of skill developed in this game is ridiculous.

Connection Problem sincerely hopes that all cheaters spontaneously combust when he presses "Submit Reply", and that significantly fewer people are mistaken for hackers or cheaters because of this post.
2005-03-30, 6:39 PM #130
What his log fails of course to mention was that his score was 35ish KIlls And 3 Deaths at the time. :p And there were some quite good players on at the time, too, like Snake...
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2005-03-30, 6:42 PM #131
And that we watched you track people through the wall VIA spectating your viewpoint.
2005-03-30, 6:44 PM #132
Yea it sucked, I could kill him, like the log shows, but I would come away with 1 or 2 health..
"Guns don't kill people, I kill people."
2005-03-30, 6:45 PM #133
Quote:
Originally posted by Freelancer
What his log fails of course to mention was that his score was 35ish KIlls And 3 Deaths at the time. :p And there were some quite good players on at the time, too, like Snake...


I've been 64 and 5...

And Rob--how the hell would you know he was tracking players, not just pointing towards where the players were likely to be, or moving his crosshair? I'd really love to know.

Just goes to show that many people in CS don't really hack.

OH, WOW, WHAT A THEORY!
D E A T H
2005-03-30, 6:52 PM #134
If you were smart, you would save the demo, watch it, and learn from it, instead of drawing false conclusions from it. I remember doing so myself a couple of years ago.

I'll guess where people are behind walls. I'll use logic, and surround sound to deduce where someone is coming. I clear one side of the map, my squad dies on the other side. Only one bottleneck on that side leads to the hosties. Can I, to a certain extent, predict that the last enemy will go this way? Yes. Does this leave me extremely weak to an attack from a side where I'm totally unsuspecting? HELL YES. Will I get the kill against a predictable enemy, which is ~85% the case in normal/friendly game? Usually.

Do you guys even see the possibility that I'm not cheating?
2005-03-30, 6:58 PM #135
This is exactly why I get kicked from most normal servers I visit. I'm not even that good at the game, either. but people are so predictable, that you can pretty much write a script to do the exact same thing each round, and you'd probably get a couple kills each time.

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2005-03-30, 6:58 PM #136
Quote:
Originally posted by Connection Problem
If you were smart, you would save the demo, watch it, and learn from it, instead of drawing false conclusions from it. I remember doing so myself a couple of years ago.

I'll guess where people are behind walls. I'll use logic, and surround sound to deduce where someone is coming. I clear one side of the map, my squad dies on the other side. Only one bottleneck on that side leads to the hosties. Can I, to a certain extent, predict that the last enemy will go this way? Yes. Does this leave me extremely weak to an attack from a side where I'm totally unsuspecting? HELL YES. Will I get the kill against a predictable enemy, which is ~85% the case in normal/friendly game? Usually.

Do you guys even see the possibility that I'm not cheating?


No, no they don't. Give them a year on CS--they'll begin to go "You know, Connection and Yoshi were right..."
D E A T H
2005-03-30, 7:03 PM #137
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
I've been 64 and 5...

And Rob--how the hell would you know he was tracking players, not just pointing towards where the players were likely to be, or moving his crosshair? I'd really love to know.

Just goes to show that many people in CS don't really hack.

OH, WOW, WHAT A THEORY!


It's easy to tell, that someone is tracking a player through the wall when they focus on one specific spot as they run, then unload many bullets into the wall as they run around the corner.

Or when a flashbang blows up in their face, and they're plowing through people like no ones buisness. And I don't mean three people crammed in a hallway who just got sprayed in a wild haze.
2005-03-30, 7:03 PM #138
I've watched CP play from behind his chair at LANs, he's THAT good. (And not the type to hack either)
2005-03-30, 7:04 PM #139
Then != now
2005-03-30, 7:05 PM #140
Maybe not. I get accused of the exact same thing all the time. People just aren't capable of admiting they suck, so they'll accuse you of hacking. Then they'll go whine about how everyone in CS hacks.
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2005-03-30, 7:05 PM #141
Quote:
Originally posted by Rob
Then != now

If he was that good then, I don't see why he'd have to cheat now, especially with a bunch of CS noobs like us (for the most part).
2005-03-30, 7:06 PM #142
I stopped playing CS a while ago, but I also used the stereo effect to zero in on people through walls. Some people just can't accept the fact that there are people better than them.
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2005-03-30, 7:10 PM #143
Aparrently.
D E A T H
2005-03-30, 7:11 PM #144
What you fail to understand, is that I can, and do the same thing.

Even though most of the time I just die anyways...

However, I notice I am still incapable of tracking someone with my cursor through a wall.
2005-03-30, 7:12 PM #145
Quote:
Originally posted by Rob
However, I notice I am still incapable of tracking someone with my cursor through a wall.


So because you're no capable of doing it, it's impossible for anyone to do it without hacking?
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2005-03-30, 7:18 PM #146
Quote:
Originally posted by Flexor
So because you're no capable of doing it, it's impossible for anyone to do it without hacking?


To track someone so accurately, based upon sound in this game. Yes.

I've done it in other games, such as the Hitman series.
2005-03-30, 7:20 PM #147
Yeah, it's really not that hard... at all. If I am sitting in a hallway, and hear footsteps go from soft, to loud, then start to get softer, I can tend to judge that someone just walked by where I am, and are so far from where I am on the other side of the wall. This usually only works with lone players, or with groups that stay very close together.

Not to mention, CSS has a crappy shadow system. You cast shadows through some walls, and you're given away. Pretty crappy, actually. Oh, and in Dust2, your gun sticks through the door, especially the M4 silencer. I always "omg wallhack" on Dust2, it seems.

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2005-03-30, 7:22 PM #148
Could it be possible to play the game with just sounds (if you had a really good sound system)? Probably it would be hard as hell to play without looking at the screen, but just wondering.
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2005-03-30, 7:25 PM #149
Gusy, if you think that someone is cheating on a server that is in no way officially affiliated with Massassi, then our forums arent the place to discuss it. Especially if you're talking about a member of our community. Take it up with the Admin of the server, and if you can't drop the subject after doing that, then please confine it to PM or elsewhere.
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