Oh, and I just looked through some other long threads featuring the ***Amazing Hypocritical Temperamental Pothead*** only to find that many of your posts were minutes after the previous. I suppose you had nothing to do at 3 PM, huh?

You know, I don't care what you do, be it refresh the forums all day or smoke pot all day. I just find it stupid to attack people with such terrible generalizations when you yourself fall under the category of people you are insulting.

a good read. slightly explicid, not for anyone under, say, 15ish. no pictures, it's a store clerks blog (it's been posted here before). the blog detales her experences cheking people out of a video shop whitch carried porn tapes. it's funny, enjoy http://www.improvisation.ws/mb/tpcs1.php .

Yet you clearly try to brag about how awesomly great your social life is, with such quotes as "I happen to know quite a few people. And I do mean quite a few." You always contradict yourself.



So your just generalizing? I for one have had relationships. Did you come to this forum full of star wars geeks so they could bow down to your sexual prowess? Nobody cares!



Like who? You are just baselessly assuming again.

I LOVE YOU!

Seriously THAT IS THE WOMAN I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THIS THREAD.

Somewhere on that site is her discussion on porn. Give me a few minutes to find it.

Ok here it is. I've edited out as much inappropriate words as I could. Admins, please leave this here, but feel free to edit it as you wish if any words are missed. I am posting this to clear up my previous statement and to shed light on why some men might in fact view porn. Pleae don't ban me for this, as I have read through it and removed alot of the harsh language. Check page 3 on that site if you want to see what was said, just do a search for the word BURGER.

Here's what I've learned in my year-and-change as a porn clerk: men like porn.

Admittedly, my sample is skewed because many men come to our store just for the porn and have other accounts elsewhere, but almost all of the men that come in do eventually go down to the porn section. And I don't mean "almost all" in the 90% sense, I mean all but maybe two since I've started working there.

This is a lesson because I now understand that pretty much any man I date is going to at least occasionally rent and enjoy porn. I don't think a lot of women have fully dealt with that. If one reads the advice columns, a lot of women can't even deal with the idea that their mate [Explicit delete] at all. Ladies, please. Chill out.

What the porn section has taught me that I think many women don't understand is that porn is a physical thing for guys, not an emotional one. It seems to be a quick, physical release. It's a way of feeling good and making sure [everything] still in good working order and that's about it. With the exception of the addicts, I don't think it has any more significance than grabbing a burger when you're hungry or standing up and stretching when you've been trapped in a car all day.

Many women are jealous of or threatened by porn, and we shouldn't be. The key is the difference between your dog, which is a Sheltie-terrier mix that hides under the bed during thunderstorms, has a passion for cat food and prefers tug-of-war to fetch, and the general dogness of the "dog" in the dictionary.

I think a woman in a porn movie, as a rule, is taken as a general woman rather than a specific woman. She is there to stand in for general womanness. (And, based the number of rewind fees I dish out, once the viewer [is finished with the company of the porn] she ceases to exist.)

I think guys rent porn as a way to have the pleasure of sex without the added complexity of having to tend to someone else's needs. Which doesn't mean that he's a bad guy or won't do plenty of tending later, it's just that right now he just wants to wolf down a burger.

In a way, a guy who is renting a porn video is courteously having his selfish sex on his own time so he won't bother you with it. And "selfish" isn't a bad thing here. It's also selfish to take a hot bath and read a book by yourself, but it's important to do that every now and then.

And besides, if you had a choice between your guy renting a video and renting a person, which would you choose?

Now that I've cleared up that little misunderstanding for all time, here's what men don't understand about porn: women do take it personally. When a woman sees your porn rental, she is likely to conclude that that is what you want. The sex act in question, the level of communication, the inflated porn body, all of it. In all likelihood she doesn't see the woman on the box as a convenient avatar of general woman-ness, she sees her as tangible proof that what the owner of said box really, truly wants is a nineteen-year-old [very explicit detail removed].

This is why a gentleman is very, very careful about leaving his porn lying around the house.

Communication can't hurt and all that, but screw that, I'm not an advice columnist. I just think, based on what I've seen, that men and women look at porn very differently and it can't hurt for both sides to take that into account.

I think it's cool when couples rent porn together, and I'm impressed with how much they had to do to get there, or with what I hope they did, anyway.

I know it's fashionable to say that men and women are fundamentally different again - God, I cannot wait for that particular social pendulum to swing back - but I don't think they are, or at least not in this case. I think attitudes toward porn have a lot to do with socialization. There's a pressure to overpersonalize sex on one side, and to depersonalize it on the other. As always, I think moderation in all things is a good way to go.

Figuring this out has helped me understand my customers better, I think. Knowing the guy is watching for general sex and not specific sex makes it easier to see why we have those [God almighty does she ever get into detail]. Keeping in mind that what our clients are renting is physical and not emotional or mental keeps me from caring too much about what they're renting, and in many ways that detachment is a key part of my job. (Trust me - the guy with the Iowa driver's license and the wedding ring does *not* want me to care about the fact that he's renting [specific] porn.)

In a way, I keep learning the same lesson over and over again: just because people's tastes don't match mine doesn't mean they're wrong. Soon, I hope, it'll stick.

Holy smokes Elana14, you made the best post in this thread! That was the best thing I've read in a while.

QM

Think what you wish, I could care less. This discussion is getting stupid.

And Emon - My posts arent that frequent. I post every day yes, but not every hour of every day. depends on what im doing that day. hanging out with friends, working, or with my girlfriend.

last year, i acidently rented a porn from block buster with my now x boyfriend. i made a huge thread about it and i kina figured out the same thing, then all explicid talk was banned from massassi for a while becasue of too much induindo. *shurgs*

dear Temperamental. your assumption that 90% of the regular visitors (and, it seems, men in general) of this board are 15 year old friendless geeks is, to say the least, flawed.

porn is not degrading to women. same as gay porn is not degrading to men. it's simply an industry, and viewing masturbating to pornography as some sort of evil is a bit close-minded, to say the least.

people get horny. and that includes girls, too.

please don't confuse the sexual and the emotional, alright?

Porn DOES degrade and objectify women. The way they are portrayed in films and treated in films is disgusting. I'm not goin to go into much more depth on that, since it's disgusting and would result in either bannage or post deletion.

simply a matter of POVs. some women, like you, find that porn is degrading. some women actually enjoy watching pornography.

after all, it simply a depiction of sexual activity.

umm, it's kina hard to say that "all porn is degrading" or "no porn is degrading"

i think there is such a wide range of porn that it falls into both catagories, and so porn can not be generlied in this way.

And yet those women were more than willing to accept a negotiated sum of money for their appearance in those films. Boo hoo.

err... no porn is degrading (when participants are adults, and doing it willingly, of course), IMHO. it's just the ways in which people have sex that can be perceived as degrading, depending on your moral assumption of what is "right".

I don't usually quote huge posts, but this is the only post worth reading on the whole thread.

The best analysis of the whole porn topic I've ever read, and addresses the "porn is degrading women!!" argument perfectly.

I will shamelessly steal most of those points for future use.

Meh.

In porn the women are generally being well-paid, well-respected, getting exactly what they want and more-or-less have the power to manipulate every man there. Whereas the men are always portrayed as mindless sex objects, you often don't even see their faces.

Who's being objectified?

(for the record, i'm talking about the women who choose to be and like being porn stars).

Anyway, I kind of agree with Temperamental, in a sexual relationship there should be much less need to look at porn, most men should easily be able to stop. However, couples are also known to watch porn together to spice up their sex lives, this is fine.

But keep the insults away from the forums please, we do have rules you know. This thread has managed to avoid getting explicit, let's keep it this way.

/porn/ the only topic massassi can have audult conversations about.




i made a funny!

Porn is also an industry that is incredibly easy for women to get into, but incredibly hard for men.

Any half-attractive woman can do some poses and start up her own website and roll in the cash.

Male porn stars have to maintain erections for a very long time, and on cue. Few men are able to perform on command. A porn scene isn't going to be remotely arousing or enjoyable for the porn stars, with bright lights and half a dozen people surrounding you, making sure the woman doesn't look fat because of lighting, making sure you're not blocking her face.
There's a reason why you'll keep seeing the same guys in loads of different porn movies with loads of different girls.

Rght, because once a guy is in a relationship, he never looks at porn, even if he's getting some.

So.. you don't look at porn because you're jealous that your mate is lusting after other men and you wouldn't want to do that to her? Lighten up.

I'll read the rest later, but:
Right. Cause there certainly aren't any other options like maybe... I don't know SACRIFICING YOUR LUSTS FOR A FEW DAYS AND BEING THERE FOR YOUR WIFE IN WHATEVER WAY SHE NEEDS YOU TO BE.

Don't be a retard, Thrawn.

I would just like to point out a couple of things:

• There has been a growing shift in men who view pornography who prefer that the videos depict women enjoying themselves - often being on the sole receptive end of pleasure, instead of subjugated to solely being sources of pleasure for men in the video.
• Couples can and often do use pornography as an aid in their sexual life. Not all women see pornography (that does not turn women into objects of pleasure) as a threat to the security of their relationship.

In addition, I agree with Sarn - sexual cravings don't necessarily have to be settled here-and-now. If you can't exercise the simple self-control of not cheating on a woman because she's on her period, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your commitment to the relationship.

On the topic of male porn stars: I am under the impression that there are various forms of substances (injections, pills) that help maintain their erections, but can cause dyspareunia and eventual erectile dysfunction.

That's the most interesting thing I read all week.

Another fact on porn: American men prefer porn with a story, European men just want the explicit scenes. What do you think that means?

That American men are still clinging to the "I read it for the articles" excuse? :p

Qwantz.

Well, Playboy does have good articles.

Nnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

I don't remember what show it was on (American Dad, perhaps?) but there was a strip joint with women dancing on tables etc and a woman was complaining to the bar tender. The tendress responds: "Look at all of these men, shoveling their week's pay to see these women dance on tables for them. I ask you; who's exploiting who?"

I'm willing to ignore the fact that Temp is a kudo and just assess that he claims that it's cheating if you masturbate to porn:

If masturbating to porn is comparable to sleeping with another woman, than driving a car really fast in a video game while using a steering wheel controller is pretty much speeding. I may not be putting my actual foot down on the actual gas [may not be humping the girl herself] but I'm imagining doing it instead of getting in my car and going to a race track. [get a girlfriend and hump her]. No, you're trying to make self indulgence into selfish indulgence.

And by the way, I refresh massassi's webpage over and over again, spend hours on editing, and like to stay inside. I also have 3 jobs, a healthy social life, a girlfriend of 6 months, sex, and I plan to go to college. I also watch porn.

My girlfriend watches movies all the time and lusts after it's stars. My girlfriend checks out guys on the beach when we go. Hell, my girlfriend masturbates! Guess what? I don't care. I watch movies and lust after their stars, I check out chicks, and I masturbate. She would prefer I come over instead of masturbating, but if I can't, she's not freaking cheating on me. She's satisfying herself. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Sexual satisfaction != Immoral backstabbing of your mate.

This reminds me of the woman who made lap dances illegal at strip clubs. Now women have to stand 10 feet away from the man.

Laws are NOT meant to shape our morals. They're meant to keep people safe.

Oh, and reguarding the thread itself:

There's enough porn on the internet that does things legally to serve us all. In fact, this might get rid of porn ring sites that only have the porn of another sites on them.

JediKirby

Yes, I believe that's American Dad's 3rd episode.

Kirby wins.

Cool post

There is something though I noticed in Kirby's post (other than all those key points).

Alot of porn sites rip off other porn sites. Say I own a website that depicts only girls who look 18-19 years old, but not engaging in sex. None of these girls do I pay because all photos I have stolen from other websites with girls 18-19 years old. Now with this new law, those other websites can report me and my site will be shut down for obvious reasons: I don't have the proof/consent from these girls on my site because I never knew them.

While online porn on the smaller sites is going to be going away, the larger websites will remain. A dozen or so come to mind, but I won't name them, but the dozen websites are all owned by like the same guys who are on them.

Some of those sites are "free" preview sites to generate traffic to the actual paysites.

Qwantz is great, but what does that have to do with anything here? :p

I AM A PEDOPHILE! *cough*

So I just went out to lunch with my girlfriend, and we talked about this.

I said I was going to ignore the fact that Temp is being pretty bullheaded, but I can't. So now I've got MORE key points to hit.

People with your general attitude tend to have not yet built their moral system, and are trying to seek morals which are admirable by others. Sure, some women who can't see past their own selfish morals think that pornography is cheating. I'm more than willing to believe that if the majority of women were to think about it, they'd probably agree that Porn isn't harmful to a relationship at all. At least no more than their boyfriends eating out than eating their cooking. You probably [obviously is the word, but we've already seen what basic and unsuported assumptions have done to your arguments] feel morally superior because even those women who can agree that porn is a perfectly fine tool of sexual excersize would probably admire a partner who has the morals you do simply because they depend on emotional rationalization. Do yourself a favor and build your morals not around what's admirable or what you've been taught to be the right way to think, but build them around what builds good character and REAL morality, not morals that keep your woman's mind at ease, and makes her feel like she's got control.

This leads into another thread I'll post in a few minutes.

JediKirby

Heh. I agree 100%.

Not the ones that blantly rip off the stuff from them though. I know I've seen them and I know you those "12" or so sites

You think I'm a pedophile :-(?

Oh and here is the thread I was talking about.

I'm a male.


And I dont view porn because

I dont like it
Out of respect for my girlfriend
My grilfriend views it as the same as me
I view it as a form of cheating
I get enough satisfaction from my girlfriend that I have no need for porn.