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The end of online porn
2005-06-25, 10:11 AM #201
Ok, i'm going to tryand break this down real quick

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Originally posted by Temperamental
I view porn as objectifying and degrading to women, I have a grilfriend, and I view watching porn while having a girlfriend as a form of cheating, and especially if your girflriend doesnt like it or the idea of you watching it, it then becomes a lack of respect for her.


ok, now that's point fine, you've kept that opinion. throughout. but there you say that you view porn in a relationship as cheating, aka WRONG. If it wasn't wrong, it wouldn't be called 'cheating'. So, regardless of wether it is right or wrong at the moment, you say there that you're opinion is that its wrong in a relationship.

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If someone chooses to view porn, I am not going to shun them. I am not going to say "OMG YOU WATCH PORN YOU ARE A BAD PERSON". Kinda the same thing with the pot subject.. If you think pot is bad/wrong, but you have friends that do it and you are ok with them and remain friends with them.


Ok, now, so, if a friend of yours is in a raltionship but watches porn, suddenly its not wrong? or jsut that you're going to let it slide? And there is a difference between thinking that somethign someone does is wrong and thinking hthe themselves are a horrible person. everyone has room for growth.

Secondly, you have, this entire thread, claimed that everyone here who is defending porn has no social life, spends all day editing games (which,as some else mentioned, can turn into a very profitable career), never had a relationship, etc etc etc. but you're not saying they're 'bad' as compared to you? um....k....

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When I say I dont think it's wrong, etc, I mean that I am not going to tell someone what to do. I am merely stating my point of view on porn, I am not telling someone what to do. Hence, if they choose to view porn, I'll take it as their decision, not mine, and I wont say a thing. I may not like it, but it damages me in no way, it's not my life, and sure it isn't something I myself would do or like, but they arent me.


Ok, so you can say its wrong, but you're not going to ask them to change. alright. so if someone mugs you in a street, you're going to say"that's not nice!" but won't actually atempt to stop them from doing it? Again, um... k...

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Thats what I mean when I say I dont think porn is WRONG if you watch it. But just because I think it is wrong or not, doesnt mean I also cant think that it does objectify some women in some way.

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Why the need for the placeholder? That's the same as saying that someone went out and slept with someone else because they weren't getting any, so they needed a placeholder. Sure, it's another extreme comparison, but still, the principle is the same. The placeholder.

The difference is that I fantasize about my girlfriend, not another girl. When you watch porn, you're watching another girl. You are getting off to another girl. You aren't actually physically touching or with that other girl at the time, but it is her and the images of her on the screen that get you off.


Ok, now, see, here i don't relaly have a problem. you're debating about the topic and why one should/ shouldn't do it. why all the flipping around about everything else?

Just to say, i'm not arguing for or against the law at this time, i haven't researched it enough to put in my opinion. Temp's flip flopping jsut got me piqued.
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2005-06-25, 10:11 AM #202
Read all my posts, how many of them say in them "IN MY OPINION" "THIS IS MY OPINION ON THE SUBJECT".
2005-06-25, 10:19 AM #203
But you say that you're opinion is that tis wrong, but in the next breath you say that it isn't wrong! make up your mind!

Oh, and opinions do not pop out of thin air. your should have reasons why you think what you do, and you should bring those to bear to debate someone over wether your opinion is right or wrong. if you don't have reasons, you have a problem.
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The Never Ending Story²
"I consume the life essence itself!... Preferably medium rare" - Mauldis

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2005-06-25, 10:22 AM #204
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Originally posted by Noble Outlaw
Just to say, i'm not arguing for or against the law at this time, i haven't researched it enough to put in my opinion. Temp's flip flopping and moral relativism jsut got me piqued. [/B]


Third time you misuse the term 'moral relativism' you're buying me a beer.
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enshu
2005-06-25, 10:27 AM #205
Sorry, tenshu. but next time would you tell me the first time i use something wrong? then i won't do it again.

(Edit: ok, checked wikipedia. i was under the impression that moral relativism refered to the belief that morals were relative and could be changed depending on the person. i should remember that saying about 'assuming' more often....)
A Knight's Tail
Exile: A Tale of Light in Dark
The Never Ending Story²
"I consume the life essence itself!... Preferably medium rare" - Mauldis

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2005-06-25, 10:28 AM #206
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Originally posted by Noble Outlaw
Sorry, tenshu. but next time would you tell me the first time i use something wrong? then i won't do it again.

(Edit: ok, checked wikipedia. i was under the impression that moral relativism refered to the belief that morals were relative and could be changed depending on the person. i should remember that saying about 'assuming' more often....)


Screw it, we're having the beer anyway !

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enshu
2005-06-25, 10:30 AM #207
*checks pockets*

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well, i hope you bought your wallet
A Knight's Tail
Exile: A Tale of Light in Dark
The Never Ending Story²
"I consume the life essence itself!... Preferably medium rare" - Mauldis

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2005-06-25, 10:56 AM #208
lmfao Tenshu. god you rock.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2005-06-25, 11:00 AM #209
I've stated me reasons several times.
2005-06-25, 11:01 AM #210
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Originally posted by Freelancer
lmfao Tenshu. god you rock.


There's now three of us - the debate is now about who's gonna be the black dude:

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enshu
2005-06-25, 11:05 AM #211
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Originally posted by Temperamental
Read all my posts, how many of them say in them "IN MY OPINION" "THIS IS MY OPINION ON THE SUBJECT".


OF COURSE IT'S YOUR OPINION, WHAT ELSE WOULD IT BE?

And of course you think your opinion is correct and true and superior to all others OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T BE YOUR OPINION.

it GOES WITHOUT SAYING that what you are posting is YOUR OPINION. it's BLOODY OBVIOUS that it is your opinion.

What we're trying to decide is whether your opinion MAKES SENSE, whether your opinion is LOGICALLY VALID.

We have a whole host of people with a whole host of reasons telling you that it ISN'T. YOUR OPINION! is being shot to pieces. The fact that it is 'your opinion!' does not make it correct, it does not make it true, it does not make it untouchable. You are not entitled to an opinion simply by choosing to have one!

Reitorating "IT'S MY OPINION!!!!!!!" means NOTHING. NOTHING.

It adds NOTHING to the argument, it does NOTHING to defend your position.

NOTHING.

so STOP DOING IT. SHUT UP.


gaarg.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2005-06-25, 11:09 AM #212
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What we're trying to decide is whether your opinion MAKES SENSE, whether your opinion is LOGICALLY VALID.

We have a whole host of people with a whole host of reasons telling you that it ISN'T. YOUR OPINION! is being shot to pieces. The fact that it is 'your opinion!' does not make it correct, it does not make it true, it does not make it untouchable. You are not entitled to an opinion simply by choosing to have one!



The same goes for their opinions.
2005-06-25, 11:12 AM #213
i think it's time we used some of this...

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2005-06-25, 11:14 AM #214
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Originally posted by Temperamental
The same goes for their opinions.


I don't see anyone else trying to defend their position by telling us it's their opinion. Only you.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2005-06-25, 11:15 AM #215
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Originally posted by Temperamental
The same goes for their opinions.



The difference with 'their opinions' is that they've actually provided some logical framework to base them on, and not just defended them with "it's MY OPINION!!!".


You seem to have deluded yourself to thinking that all opinions are equaly valid simply by virtue of being opinions.

You do not have a 'right to an opinion', no-one does.
You are only entitled to an opinion when you can provide some logical reasoning for why you hold it.

You having an opinion means nothing.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2005-06-25, 11:15 AM #216
Yes, temp, and their opinions are also possibly shot down. the only difference is that thy have logical and damn good, imo, reasons attacking your opinion. and all iv'e sen you do it run around shouting that its degrading to women and you know so much better then everyone else since you have a girlfriend.

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Originally posted by Mort-Hog
stuff


That was sort of what i was trying to say, jsut more civily.
A Knight's Tail
Exile: A Tale of Light in Dark
The Never Ending Story²
"I consume the life essence itself!... Preferably medium rare" - Mauldis

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2005-06-25, 11:15 AM #217
I agree with DrkJedi82's image

We're getting nowhere with this and all ready tensions are getting high.
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