This news has been around for a while but I haven't seen anyone post it....so, here it is. The Iraqies (sp?) were angry about what we did to the prisioners that we had, so they cut off the head of an american on tape...*sigh* What are your feelings/thoughts on this. I think it's just horrible, and..well I can't really say much..It's just horribly shocking.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-05-11-iraq-beheading_x.htm

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I just saw it on the news not 15 seconds ago. I guess.. you could say they had more than enough justification to do it, looking at what the American troops have done to the Iraqi prisoners.

[Okay, so maybe they're not entirely justified in beheading an innocent person, but still, you can't exactly condem them for trying to protect the honour of their people that have been disgraced by the Americans.]

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[This message has been edited by Jin (edited May 11, 2004).]

I can't say I agree with "justification," but I'm sure that had a hand in motivating it. Even still, it's sickening.

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There's 2 sides to this.

1) The Iraqi's that are being detained are alleged murderers and terrorists.
Does that mean it's OK to treat them this way?
If they are killers, then I say it's OK to treat them like that (like alot of other people think (like some US military representative eluded to without coming out and saying on the CBC earlier today)).

2) We have to take the media/military's word that these detainees are killers.

This has gone beyond the Canadian Somolia scandal that led to the disbandonment of the famed Canadian Airborne.
An entire segment of Canada's elite forces was disbanded because of the evidence that was uncovered from the torture and death of a Somali citizen caught trying to break into the Canadian Army barracks (although I believe it was a political move by my buddy Cretien which I won't go into right now but I will if Sine wants me to becasue I got a rant that would go on for pages on that one).

Tough call to make but definately not enough to justify what they did to that American guy.

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[This message has been edited by Darth Evad (edited May 12, 2004).]

Evad, I can't believe you would say they had plenty of justification for what they did. It would be one thing if the guy was a soldier, but being a CITIZEN, it's totally unjustifiable. It doesn't matter what American soldiers did to Iraqi soldiers, a citizen should never come into the equation.

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Some might go so far as to call the "citizen" a mercenary (this one was a "contractor," right?), but I still think the murder of a prisoner is unjustifiable.

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[This message has been edited by Bounty Hunter 4 hire (edited May 11, 2004).]

what evidence is there that he was a "mercenary"? i wouldn't put it past our government to do something like this, but until there is evidence that suggests that is the case, it's incredibly insensitive and disrespectful to say.

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here's what i plan on doing from now on.

Turning tv on at exactly 6pm and watching the simpsons, and turning off afterwards.

i'm tired of listening about people being abused, slaughtered, maimed, blown up and imprisoned.

All i hear any more is tragedy and violence, and i want it to go away.

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By the way, we never purposely killed any of their people on tape and beheaded them, however, that still doesn't change the fact that some of our soldiers "abused" them.

However, I guess no one still cares about the other countless thousands and thousands of people they've slaughtered before the war. Now they are mad at us abusing a few of their soldiers? So what do they do, kill someone else. Hypocritical if I may say so.

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This is the kind of war we are fighting. This shouldn't surprise anyone. To the Iraqi's, Americans, or coalition forces are all invaders. Doesn't matter whether you are a soldier or not. I want to know, does anyobdy know what happened with thoe Japanese hostages a while back? I thought some of the were released, but I could be wrong.

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I think they were all set free (the Japanese hostages).

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I say we take the MPs that abused the Iraqi pows, then find and take the Al-Qaeda members who beheaded that guy and throw them all into a pit with knives and let them kill each other.

So was that guy some kind of engineer contractor or a mercenary?
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I think that solution would solve many of the worlds problems.

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The newest tapes show American soldiers raping and murdering prisoners. I'm trying to find the article on CNN I read yesterday about it...

[edit] http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/07/iraq.abuse.main/

And that guy was just a civilian contractor who had nothing to do with the army. He was actually detained by the Coalition untill they realized he was in Iraq legally.[/edit]

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[This message has been edited by BV (edited May 11, 2004).]

Ah, sorry then. I had not checked up on the story since a copule days ago.

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And how many people in Abu Gharaib were actual killers? Some were probably informants, part of the Iraqi Terrorism Bureaucracy. <joke>Which I like to call the ITB...</joke>

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I heard "contractor" and assumed it was the same kind of "contractor" (a security contractor hired by the US gov't to take on the task of patroling cities and protecting people- aleviating regular army personel) that were ambushed and dragged around the streets in Faluja(sp?).

They are easier targets than regular army personel, and the military (from what I read) seems to look down on them and not really feel obligated to retaliate.

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Sick.

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After losing my taste for this thread after reading the first two posts I wonder how some of you would justify the beheadings and torture these people committed before they used the phony justification of some military sexual predators.

Yes, those perverts did nothing to help the situation but to pretend those terrorists actually needed the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners as an excuse is horrific. Plus when you consider that those animals are fighting for the restoration of a regime that committed acts that make what our soldiers did look kind...

Idiotic.

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While sickening, I find it interesting this news just happens to come out right after the US's abusing of prisoners was revealed. I hate to be a conspiracy theorist but it seeme possible the US is just releasing this now to take attention off the US's atrocities.

I can't really find my words right now. It's one thing to humiliate a prisoner, it's another thing to kill one, especially one who isn't doing any of the fighting. I can understand the Iraqis being upset, but they went a few steps further.

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From what I've read and heard, Nicholas Berg was not a "contractor" in any sense of the word. He was the owner of an independent company that repaired Iraqi communications towers. At one point, he was actually picked up by Iraqi police and held he was verified to be in Iraq legally.



Nope. The reason this "just happened" to come out right after a few idiots unworthy to wear a US military uniform were found to be abusing Iraqi prisoners is that it's retaliation for the abuse. The murderers said as much in the video.

These are not the US's atrocities. These are the atrocities of a relatively small group of morons who will be suitably punished by the US for their disgraceful actions.

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Umm....beacuse they killed him in response to the abusing of the prisoners. They mentioned that when they were talking in the video. Dont' think they could see into the future.



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from what i understand, this just happened a couple days ago.

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When looking at your name, that statement is strangely ironic.

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Actually, I read that over 60% of the population of the Abu Ghraib prison was wrongfully arrested.

BUT I also read that the prisoner abuse occurred after a huge prison uprising so I really dont know what to think now... those soldiers were still **** heads and those Iraqis (are they even Iraqis, do we know?) are **** heads.

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"Actually, I read that over 60% of the population of the Abu Ghraib prison was wrongfully arrested."

I have no clue why people trust statistics like that. 99% of the time they are made up.

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Most of you seem to be forgetting what I think is the more important part of this issue. We're dealing with human beings here. I've looked at some of the photoes of the US "soldiers" abusing Iraqi prisoners and felt disgusted and horrified. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what the Iraqis did before that. Similarily, it doesn't matter what the US has done before this most recent incident. The Iraqis and the man that was beheaded were just as much human beings as any one of you. It's not an issue of whether or not the acts were justified. How can any of you say that these kind of things can be justified?

When we start destroying human lives in order to pay debts and discussing those lives as "justifications," what does that say about the state of humanity?

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I hope you were joking, or else that just reeks of irony.



Yes, I can condemn them. What they've done is no different than me walking out into the street after 9/11 and shooting a Middle Eastern person in the head. You can't condemn me - I was trying to protect the honor of my people!

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I haven't seen the video.
But are you saying it couldn't be possible they new about what was going on in the prisons with the US soldiers?

I was talking with someone and the contractor was a radio tower installer and I guess he was kidnapped a few months ago and then a few days before the tape of him getting killed came out a patrol found his body somewhere. This is second hand information.

btw, the people who killed this guy were not of any of the Iraqi resistance forces. They were Al-Qaeda members (could probably be one and the same though at this point).

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Two wrongs don't make a right. It's that simple. Torturing the prisoners was messed up and this is as well. All involved deserve to be brought to justice. Honestly, if you think killing this guy is in any way justified you worry me greatly.

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Just a slight thought, no matter how wrong or right anyone is...

As far as the American thing goes, imagine that one or more of your close friends were killed by the person standing in front of you. No, it doesn't 'justify' anything, but it puts a different perspective on it. That Iraqi guy, I haven't heard anything about that till now, and I'm disgusted, as well as with the Americans. Although, we haven't ever (that I know of) killed anyone in our prisons, while they continued to torture/kill people in theirs, so really this is no real offense, comparitively. And besides, all those guys have put themselves into a suicide-bombing chemicle-warfare grotesque-war-tatic group anyway. Well, that's my thoughts.

Flame away, flame away...

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[This message has been edited by Chuck (edited May 11, 2004).]

We have, I have some photos of at least one Iraqi (Edit- Photo is somewhat graphic, click with caution. -DSettahr) who was beaten to death in an American prison.

(Yes, for those of who who lack the ability to figure out where that link goes to, it is of a picture of said Iraqi.)

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I'll never be able to fathom how anyone can think such an act could ever be justifiable. I'm simply sickened by the incident and the idiots that consider it justifiable. :/

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