Had the Katrina not made a turn to the east, the eastern edge of the eye might have hit the city. That's where the strongest winds where blowing. They were also think the levees would fail and the entire city would be under 20-30 feet of water. That didn't happen, so yes, New Orleans did escape the worst of it, despite all the damage.

Also, don't forget that the sotrom is still moving north and those area are at a rick for major flooding as well.

I agree. I think it sux about the gas prices rising, but it seems like something so little when u compare it to the suffering people are currently going through.

They dont have enough refrigerated trucks right now to get the dead bodies out, so they are making houses with red marks, that have dead bodies inside for people to go back and get the bodies later. Also looting is starting to get worse, people are trying to hijack cars and conditions are worsening with the water leeves. People are going into survival mode...so a little bit of higher gas prices just doesnt seem like the worst thing in the world that could happen while all of this is going on

Actually two of the leeves HAVE broken and they believe a third is about to break. And though the storm has past the water is still rising...

And the pumps could fail. It's gonna take them years to get anywhere near over this. If more levees give and the pumps die, I don't think it will be far from the truth to label it "New Atlantis."

A 200-foot-long stretch of a levee overflowed, Trooper Markus Smith, a spokesman for the Louisiana state police, said in an interview. The rising water forced thousands who chose not to evacuate to seek shelter in rescue centers already filled, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco said in a news conference. Many don't have homes to which to return, she said.

``It's miles and miles and miles of home inundated with water,'' Blanco said in a televised news conference. ``Some neighborhoods will need total rebuilding.''

Thousands of New Orleans residents are in the Superdome, surrounded by knee-high water and where conditions are deteriorating, she said. People in the rescue centers need to be evacuated, Blanco said.

Flood waters ranged from ankle deep to as high as 15 feet -- the height of many roofs, Lieutenant Kevin Cowan, spokesman for the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness, said in an interview.

80 Percent Under Water
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=amoQS7zRQWCw&refer=us

The point is it could have been worse. A lot worse.

You know, I always thought it was strange....but now it strikes me as fairly well silly to build a city right there...anyone have a quick explanation of why someone would let a city grow in a flood basin like that, such that pumps are required to keep it dry?

Yeah, I don't like to focus on the negatives. Also, just because they're in pain and poverty I should weep for them every minute of my life and say "Screw my financial pains"? I'm poor enough as is, and this is only gonna hit us harder. Sorry I find the fact that people in another state thousands of miles away are under pressure just a bit less disturbing than the fact that I don't know if I'm going to have enough money to get to school and back every day.

Ya, the night before Katrina hit I was pissed about being cockblocked, but that all seems trivial now. Baton Rouge has no more gas. I am at half a tank, and I will not last on this half a take for the week. I am gonna be busing everywhere.

And people have no homes. This sucks.

Everything can be worse. My blood pressure could be higher. My foot could hurt more. Only 80% of the city is flooded now and the water is rising so hopefully it can get worse too! The body count is only around a hundred now. That could get worse too. Yeah!!!



edit - oh, yeah, it might cost more for me to drive to work

edit [my lengthy explanation wasn't really worth it, so I deleted it :)].

Wookie, basically I meant the two events aren't quite comparable in terms of scale... calling the hurricane 'our tsunami' implies at least to some degree that it was horribly, horribly devastating. maybe a max of 200 lives lost as opposed to 200,000?

this isn't meant to stir up a debate, but somehow i feel like i could be bringing some sort of arguments out. I apologize if that's the case.

Not sure I understand your meaning.

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Aye, there's a picture I haven't seen for a while.

Did I dismiss it as being uncatastrophic (is that a word?)? No. I merely said I have a lot more to worry about, especially with gas prices up, as in (like I said before) having enough money to get to school, work, etc. And before you say walk or take the bus, I live 30 miles from my school. No busses service out here.

Ok...I can understand why alot of looting is happening. People needing the essentials and then theres the greedy idiots.

What is the point in two guys shooting up a police station with Ak47's though? That is one of the dumbest things anyone could possibly do (besides the whole wait out the storm thing) in this situation. Those guys are complete scum.

What the ****? Do you need someone to hit you in the head with a 2x4? It's an insult to the victims of the REAL tsunami... you know, the one near sri lanka earlier this year? The one where hundreds of thousands died? Does that not ring a bell?

Why can't we all just get along?

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi].[/QUOTE]

Mock me if you want but I wasn't the one dismissing how catastrophic the event was.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Did I dismiss it as being uncatastrophic (is that a word?)? No. I merely said I have a lot more to worry about, especially with gas prices up, as in (like I said before) having enough money to get to school, work, etc. And before you say walk or take the bus, I live 30 miles from my school. No busses service out here.[/QUOTE]

He wasn't even referring to you, yoshi.

I didn't understand his point and I can't understand yours. My mind doesn't work like yours, obviously. I don't need to diminish the suffering of people in this event because more people died in another. I wonder how your perspective would change if you're house was destroyed and the city it was in was devastated and you watched loved ones swept away to their death JUST LIKE OR WORSE than the areas that were hit by the Tsunami.

The fact is, though that it wasn't as bad as predicted. That's why I said it could have been worse.

Leave it to right wingers to be the real hypocrites, though. The same people who said London's attacks were not nearly as bad as 9/11 are now saying that this hurricane is just as extreme as the tsunami. I'm not talking about you, either, Wookie; I am simply talking about the general Rush Limbaugh types.

Anyways, I heard on slashdot that its going to take an estimated 9 weeks to pump out New Orleans b/c the water will not drain on its own.

Do you have any idea of what happened in Gulf Port? 28 foot storm surges. Neighborhoods have had their houses wiped clean to their foundations. I saw a picture of an entire casino that had been moved a half a mile away and put on a highway. If the worst part of the storm had hit new Orleans there would be no levees left. It did get lucky.

He futrue posted:




Sorry SAJN, as a human being I didn't know that people weren't allowed to hold on to something so dear to them that, once that thing was gone living meant nothing to them. So unhumane :rolleyes:.

While I don't know if its confined to right-wingers, I noticed that a lot with the London Bombings. People here just seemed to shrug it off as if it was nothing. Some said "Now London knows how we feel," and "Well they're lucky it wasn't as bad as 9/11." But seriously, saying this hurricane is as extreme as the Tsuami last year is like the reverse of the above, someone saying that the London Bombings were worse than 9/11.

[QUOTE=IRG SithLord]He wasn't even referring to you, yoshi.[/QUOTE]

It was wookie. There was future posting.

Tsunami was millions of people, trillions of dollars. It took the militaries of several countries to do cleanup.

This was thousands of people, a few billion dollars.

Don't even START to compare the two.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Tsunami was millions of people, trillions of dollars. It took the militaries of several countries to do cleanup.

This was thousands of people, a few billion dollars.

Don't even START to compare the two.[/QUOTE]


Ok the point isnt who had more damage or whatever. The point is, both places had people die. Anyplace that has people die is tragic. It's just sad is all. I know a lot of us were just as moved as this when the Tsunami hit and it was equally sad hearing about the bombings in London, as well as on 9/11. point is, when these tragedies happen its sad. so why is everyone arguing over what's worse? people have died in all cases and that's tragic...end of story

WTF, some 95 year old lady lost her piano, said there wasn't anything to live for and drowned?! I'm sorry, but WHAT?!

Dang kids, I haven't been here in a while. Just checking up on you and making sure everyone here is ok

Meh. The video footage of the aftermath was pretty cool, but overall this ranks pretty poorly as far as media events go.

Because 200,000 > ~200. In fact, roughly 1,000x worse. Get some perspective.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]It was wookie. There was future posting.[/QUOTE]

No. He is correct. I wasn't referring to you but if you feel guilty, fine.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]It was wookie. There was future posting.[/QUOTE]

But in the post about catastrophic events, he was addressing bill.

Wow, no wonder she never posts. She tries to stop the argument and she gets a post like this in retaliation. She's right, it's stupid to be arguing over it, I just felt the comment was silly and demeaned the tragedy that the people that endured the tsunami felt.

But she's right.

Because these people have no perspective. A mayor of a town ravaged by Katrina makes an accurate comparison of the damage to HIS CITY to the devastation of the tsunami. Some of these towns were hit every bit as hard or worse than the tsunami hit. Entire communities virtually destroyed. If you doubt it, look for pictures of Biloxi and other areas.

No, the deaths of 200 people are not as "equally sad" as the deaths of 200,000. You're heartless if you think so. I at least have some compassion for those who went through a far greater tragedy; apparently you don't. It makes you feel big somehow to downplay the tsunami by saying Katrina is equally as devastating. And why? Just because it happened here? Here is irrelevant if you really have compassion.

In other news, 1,000 Iraqis were killed today. Do you even care? Did you even know?

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Wow, no wonder she never posts. She tries to stop the argument and she gets a post like this in retaliation. She's right, it's stupid to be arguing over it, I just felt the comment was silly and demeaned the tragedy that the people that endured the tsunami felt.

But she's right.[/QUOTE]


thnx. it's alright i've had freelancer on my ignore list for a while. but I think any death is sad be it one person, thousands or millions

I'd have you on mine, but it's too annoying to click on "view this post" every time I want to look at one of your posts. Having to click on one link isn't enough of a deterrent to truly ignore you. This forum needs better software that removes ignored posts entirely.