http://theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/03/1086203545676.html

So a Children's show had the gall to show a kid with two mothers. Oh no.

Anyway, there is a great quote from "Mrs. Cocks", a lesbian (there must be heaps of jokes there):



And then the government trolls come out of the word work, as well as "family" associations that apparently seem to be of the belief that families are only good when they're of a single sort...



Yeah. I suppose as the Children's Minister it's important to not have children treat their friends with two mothers the same? Or for kids with two mothers not to feel alientated? That's obviously an awful thing. Also: RE: "Politically correct." I do not think that word means what you think it means.



It's not pushing a social agenda! It's just reflecting reality! It wasn't showing two women having sex with the captions: "This is good behaviour, children. Go and get it on with your friends right now."



Right... as opposed to all those people who choose to make themselves targets to morons like you?



Looks like I'm voting democrat, then... Pity they'll never win... Whatever happened to Labor actually being more left than Liberal? Damn Liberal troglodytes...

And then we end with a poignant quote:



Gee, I wonder why, Mr. Children's Minister?

I had to go find this and scan it in from my soc text, it was just too perfect.



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Good on the ABC. Same sex parents are becoming more common, and irrespective of whether people think homosexuality is wrong or not, I think its ridiculously short sighted not to educate children about this. At least play school will introduce it impartially, rather than be tempered by bias in any direction.

Off topic: I won't be checking the boards for another 14 hours since its night in Aussie land. I reckon by the time I check this tomorrow morning, there will be 70+ posts.

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It's 7PM! Even Playschool's target audience would still be awake at this time!

I like this Brian Greig guy.

Now admit the thought of religious conservatives' fury acted as an incentive for posting this on Massassi. At least partly. You know it did. No, really. I know you know. Deep inside. Your mind.

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If you can read this, you need better glasses.

Play School used to be cool.

And yeah, it does show diversity, but whaa? I think it would have been worse if the kid had two daddies. And then everyone would get pelted by model Voodoo Genkis which shouted p<Genki>s randomly.

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Hahahaha, oh that's very cute. Gotta love the Australian government. They are all for locking up innocent children in detention camps for years and years leading to exceedingly well documented psychological damage but oh golly gosh!! We must protect them from the evil homosexual horde!!

Please.

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Thats gonna be one screwed up kid.

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Polygamy is illegal in several countries.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

I like how the brunt of your argument revolves around calling them all morons.

A lesbian called Miss Cocks?

I'm not going to say anything.

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Damn if only we could be so lucky...

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<Outlaw_Torn> you mean your related to that damned sasquatch, Mech?
<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?

The people I called morons work for the Australian Federal Government.

QED.

Just ask an Australian; they'll tell you I'm right...

^^^ what he said

^^^ what he said

Uh, quite the contrary. The most damaging thing a parent can do to a child is neglect, perhaps even more damaging than physical abuse, and this child certainly won't have that problem.
It's exactly the same as a child living in an extended family, living with cousins and uncles or with grandparents and great-grandparents. There's a much larger support network for the child, more people she can go to if she needs help. I think she's going to be much better off than many children of heterosexual couples.

Marriage is a thing between a man and a woman. Gays should not marry and have children. If gays want to join in a relationship they should call it something else like the union of the buttsekz, and they should only be able to adopt little children of the opposite gender...hmmmm....

I'm joking of course, but I don't know why. If I do anything bad just tell me and I"ll edit it.

Thats absolutly ridiculous. Something does not have to be THAT direct and forward to influence kids and you gotta be joking if you think it does.. Just because they aren't actually telling kids "THIS IS GOOD BEHAVIOR KIDS" doesn't mean it won't make them think that.

I find it amazing that nobody can even FATHOM the idea that having such a wacked up family situation could even possibly screw up the kid. Of course not! That wouldn't be PC.

And PnHobbit, yes you must edit your post. It contains an opinion that most people here will slit your throat over. I think Massassi is actually a training ground for some kind of anti-heterosexual army.

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Why exactly would it be detrimental to the child? Is there any evidence whatsoever that homosexual families produce deliquent children?

There are more than enough 'screwed up' kids from heterosexual parents that I really don't think sexuality is a factor.

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Well, that was a fantastic post, there, Zanardi. I loved the way you didn't resort to petty namecalling.

This isn't a thread about gay marriage; it's a thread about children and whether they should be exposed to actual life or whether they should live in a bubble. An increasing number of people are starting to realise that non-heterosexuals can actually be decent human beings, too, and that they may possibly have normal human wishes and desires such as having children and raising them... There are, therefore, children in these situation who may be teased. Shows telling 'em that they're all right people are no different to shows telling people that are fat that they're no less worthy than their peers at school, or those that are black that just because of their skin colour they aren't inferior... Of course, this sort of thing wouldn't be needed if people could just be a little less hateful.

There is no "anti-heterosexual army" at Massassi. That's ridiculous. Supporting rights for blacks is not being "anti-white" and thinking women should vote is not being "anti-male".

Z@NARDI is a good example of why such children's TV programmes are necessary. If children today are brought up learning about and accepting homosexuality then they won't grow up to display the ignorance and discrimination as posted above.

"I think Play School has been an excellent program but I wouldn't like to see it become politically correct."

Hahaha. That's all I'm going to contribute to this conversation--I don't feel like getting wound up in another of these things.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

I can't believe The Magic School Bus had a crippled kid on the show. That was so wrong, it hurt.

I think it's funny how strait people are so upset about homosexuality. I've never had a single person come up to me and ask me if I was bisexual, and no one's ever asked, really. Only the people that really know me figured it out. But as soon as people heard, suddenly those who yesterday were people I could call if I was naked with a plum up my butt and a pair of handcuffs around my knees in downtown NY, are now hating me. I must be a bad person only when you KNOW I'm bisexual. Silly.

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Duke, I'm assuming that, by "screwed up," you mean that they'll be socially retarded and/or homosexual in nature.

That's a nice dream to entertain, but the fact of the matter is that psychological studies have shown kids of homosexual couples and heterosexual couples to have the exact same chance of being gay -- it's just that the children of gay couples aren't as shocked by the idea of homosexuality at a young age.

A gay couple can do as good a job raising a child as a heterosexual couple can - unless you have some statistics to back up your claim?

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<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?
<jipe> .. yes, Ubuu, we're racist commy nazi jews, and we hate male pattern baldness
<Professor`K> Sorry, but half-way through your logic, my head exploded

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Hey, I'm new been browsing for a while though. Registered years ago but never posted.
Ok, frankly I see no reason why homosexuality should be legal. If your a Christian all you need to do is read Romans 1 to see why it shouldn’t be legal. If your an atheist, it may inject some chemical into your head that gives you some sense of "pleasure" if that's what you want to call it, but that about all for benefits. Homosexual unions bring diseases into the community which hurt it, and also accomplish nothing useful. Of course if your an atheist their are no ethics so Hitler's idea of a master race are correct. Heck, every things are just atoms anyway so why not kill all weak things. That way there’s more for the strong. Why not? Kill the sick, the deformed, the old, the stupid, the weak, the unwanted, the useless. Kill them all unless they provide more to the community than they suck out of it. Otherwise they are just leaches. Why are you horrified at this idea? If your an Atheist, it's only logical. Fortunately I do not believe in this because I am a Christian. However, I assure you if I were not I would believe this, because with out God, this is logical. Take either one path or the other.
If you see any flaws in my logic pleace correct me and do not flame me or call me a moron. Thanks.

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I I IWHAT THE WHAT*&&%*@!

Seriously, were you joking?



1) gay people don't bring disease into "the community".

2) Instead of - HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY TAKE THAT VIEWPOINT? HOW? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

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I think we should stop debating on whether or not homosexual parents will warp a child, wait and see for ourselves.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

I can never post anything I really want to in these threads, as massassi is one of the more heavily moderated boards I browse.

Just realize, all you anti-gays, that what you say (mostly how you're saying it) runs a very high chance of offending at least someone on this board. Do realize, that whether you agree with it or not, homosexuals do exist. Urban myths, unbacked claims, and other ignorant comments have no place in a a civil conversation.

Some of the anti-gay insults are hitting very close to home, and I personally find it 10x more vulgar and obscene than anything else I've witnessed on the internet.

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You're...not serious, are you? What's been said here is ten times more offensive, than, say, http://www.godhatesfags.com ?

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<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?
<jipe> .. yes, Ubuu, we're racist commy nazi jews, and we hate male pattern baldness
<Professor`K> Sorry, but half-way through your logic, my head exploded

ROFL!

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<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?

Of course it's not as extreme as godhatesfags.com. The point I was trying to get across is that even if you disagree with something, there's always a way to say it without coming across as some neo-nazi white-supremecist gay-bashing, religiously biased ill-informed twit. Unless, of course, that's what you really are, and you're damn proud of it at that. Then it's totally ok to bring out the noose and shovel.

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... I am shocked and confused by this...

1) I really don't see how you can call yourself a Christian.

2) That "sense of pleasure" is called love, and many would consider it the greatest benefit of all.

3) Are you trying to say that all atheist should be like Hitler?

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I was tempted to just boot you Obi as others have been banned for less offensive comments, but you're new here and that last sentence at least shows your mind might be a bit open to understanding WHY exactly what you said is so offensive. This is a one off repreive mind you.



Ethics are not the exclusive territory of religion. I am an atheist but have a stronger sense of ethics than many people I've met online who call themselves christians. No that's not an attack on christianity itself, just pointing out that being an atheist or being a christian does not automatically mean you are a saint or conversely follow Hitler's way of thinking.

That simple fact that I'm an atheist and NOT doing as you have described hopefully should give you pause to think a bit more on such a theory.

By the way, I should add as an admin that anyone who uses Obi's post as an excuse to reply with a similarly offensive responsive aimed back at christianity, expect consequences. One does not justify the other.

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The disease thing (where did you get that from?!) has been addressed, but what do you mean by homosexual unions not accomplishing anything useful? A homosexual couple can't have a child of their own produce, that's all I can think of, and the usefulness of that over adopting an otherwise homeless child is debatable. The possibilities of accomplishing something useful are endless!



Of course if you're religious you want to go on a crusade to kill everyone who defy faith in your religion. So you're like Hitler. Let's not forget Hitler. Do I think all Christians contemplate going on crusades to persecute heathens? No, just like I don't think all atheists think like Hitler. Atheism does not translate into lack of ethics. There's a bazillion things you can base your ethics on, including but certainly not limited to religion.



Empathy. I don't want to kill people or get people killed because I can relate to them. If you're saying you lack the natural sense of empathy, there's no point for me to make any argument, because you, being the ruthless psychopath beneath the layer of religion that you with your remark indicate you are, have never felt it.

Of course the truth is most likely that you do have a sense of empathy; you just can't accept an atheist being the same way!

He's correct in that Christianity does not like homosexuality. Christianity (and all of the Abrahamic religions, I don't know about Hinduism or Sikhism) all condemn homosexuality as 'evil'. There's some passage in the OT where God in fact kills an entire village because two people (Soddom and Gonnora or something) were 'sexually impure' Homosexuality and many religions contradict totally. But the only argument against homosexuality is religious. There are no other grounds, scientifically or logically generally, that make homosexuality 'wrong'. Yes, in the 30s or 40s there was a big scare that homosexuality is linked to AIDs, but (most) people have moved on from then as it has since been proven that heterosexuals are just as likely to catch it. Africa isn't full of gays, you know.

So let's stop teaching children 'traditional religious values'. Obi Kwiet, the reason you follow the rules you do is so that you aren't punished in the afterlife by an omnipotent being, you follow those rules unquestioningly. You try to impose those rules upon everyone, regardless of whether it makes them happy or not, to life their lives for a 'greater good'. To use your heavily flawed and downright illogical style of pseudo-political allegory, you seem to be quite like Stalin.


Imagine a child brought up in a strictly Christian family, taught about the evils of homosexuality. But that child finds that he himself feels attracted to his own sex, yet he knows this is evil. For you heterosexuals, imagine being taught that being attracted to women is evil; could you 'control' or 'suppress' that attraction? That child will grow up with great conflict in his mind, and great confusion, and great unhappiness.

So, let's stop living life under fear from an abstract being, and start living life simply in the pursuit of happiness. That is (more or less) the thought that Buddhism is founded on, and in some cases it does agree totally with Christianity, but a Buddhist does not do what he does under fear of God, but rather...because it's a nice thing to do.

What would be so wrong with a society with rules based on human happiness?