That is not a joke by the way.

I can call myself 'doctor' to, through diploma mills. In fact, I think I will. The claim that he's a doctor on 'dinos' is too ridiculous to be adressed. This is a man who thinks the speed of light of headlights of a car is c + velocity of car. The fact that so many people can't see through this inane ridiculous nonsense is the reason why I'm moving away from humanism. Most humans are not to be trusted. They're like mobs of irrational little kittens.

Here kitten! A shiney ball! Chase it!

I want to be a Dr.

That'd rock.

Dr. Awesome they'd call me.

I'd be 'Doctor Superfly'

Clock is ticking, creationists. Your right to an opinion lies waiting. Why not take it? (Edit: I'm kidding. We all know why)

Oooooh thats a good one!

It'd be even better if you spelled it "Supafly."

My opinion: I'm sick of all this crap, and worthless threads... you can take all your cientific mumbo jumbo and believe what you want, in the end, you still haven't done anything worth while.

We've invented computers, medicine, energy production, the internal combusion engine, discovered flight, produced the age of enlightenment that allows free thought and opinion, and are preparing to explore space.

What have you done, boy?

Edit: Oh yeah, and you're a spineless coward. If your dad is really a man of science - as you claim he is - he should beat you with a strap for being so ignorant.

But he goes to church! And he told everyone who's not a Jehova's Witness they're ignorant! That's got to be somewhere up there with discovering electricity or ridding the world of Polio!

I don't see how " computers, medicine, energy production, the internal combusion engine, discovered flight... " has anything to do with evolutionists...

Ah! And now we're back to the crux of the issue: You don't even know what science is.

Why are you talking about it, again?

Edit: While you were off playing make-believe with your invisible gang and being brainwashed into thinking your teachers are all liars, the rest of us were learning that "evolutionist" is no more than an idiot's word for "biologist".

Edit2: LOL I've got a great joke guys.
What's the difference between Evolution through Natural Selection and Creation through Intelligent Design?
Give up?
Evolution is a scientific theory created by biologists after observing specific and well-documented conditions in nature.
Intelligent Design is a non-scientific assumption with dubious origins and no supporting evidence whatsoever.

Get it? LOL

OMG LOL ROFL! HE CRACKS ME UP LOL!
If the theory of evoulution, the one in which creatures change through a course of time for no apparent reason at all, has help make computers, machines, help us in the air, help us during some war, medicine... I'm not saying science is wrong, I'm just saying evolution is a practical waste of time, eventually it will be concluded wrong... and that day Jon'C we'll see who's laughing and making the crappy jokes.

yeh Jon'C, the joke was a little lacking, or maybe I dont get it.

There is no conclusion proof either way if evolution is right and creationalists are wrong, or Visa versa.

So lets stop arguing.

Lets all go home and have dirty sex with our women.

Just kidding, we dont have any women.

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How can you say it will eventually be proven wrong...? What the **** ARE you saying? Really, a completelly scientific and OBVIOUSLY proven fact of science is that we've evolved. Creationism can [and really, if it's to be taken seriously at all, SHOULD] include evolution to strengthen it's argument. If ID is correct, than the ability to adapt would also be correct.

A quick question: If ID is true, did the whole adam and eve thing even happen?

So? If it's wrong, why don't you refute the evidence in the other thread?

Plea to ignorance. Rough translation for the logically-challenged: Go to hell.

Edit: God, you are simultaneously the most scientifically-challenged little boy and the most persistent. Too willfully-ignorant to refute even the most basic of arguments and too much of a coward to admit you can't. I hate you.

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I'm not saying its right, I'm only saying it will get discarded eventually... trust me "the rocks shall speak"

i got your flames right here, b**ch

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He also states that primates lack the appendix, while rabbits and other animals have them. What's funny about that is just a month and a half ago I held an appendix from a chimp. Gee, that man really does his research...



Wrong, the theory of evolution is about adaptation and efficiency. The idea of creation is that we were made for no reason at all, not evolution.

Roach, why were you savaging and eating chimps? i expected more from you.

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Adaptation? Are you kidding? ADAPTATION FROM WHAT?
My idea is that we were made to take care of the planet, fill it with our kind and live in peace... of course you people think this is childish simply because you, or no one on the face of this earth could do it.

live in peace with our ninja gangsters

Whatever needs to be adapted to. This isn't a process where you take a dog and turn it into a horse, it's where you take a rabbit with brown fur and slowly change it white as snow becomes more common. It's really very simple, there's nothing biologically complex about each process in evolution.

They taste great with BBQ sauce.

still... have we seen any proof that there ever was a need for adaptation or that there ever were other species of man, aka your Austrolopithecus or Cromagnon?

No, we were made to fill the world with our kind and live in peace. Procreation and dispersal ensures survival.

We've adapted to suit our environment. As the animals around us adapted to kill us better, we've adapted to evade them more effectively. When our supply of tree-beetles dried up, we evolved to eat berries. When humans moved toward Europe they didn't get enough exposure to the sun, so they evolved a persistent ability to digest lactose - meanwhile almost everybody from Asia and Africa is lactose-intolerant.


I'll break it down so it's simpler for you to understand.

You have two species of animal: Animal Type-A and Animal Type-B.
Animal Type-A exclusively eats Animal Type-B. The problem is that there are too many 'A's and not enough 'B's to feed them.

Animal A1 (male) and A2 (female) get really, really good at hunting 'B's. While the other ones are starving, they're well-fed. A1 and A2 breed and make animal A12, which is genetically-engineered to hunt 'B's.
So while the children of all of the other 'A's are dying of starvation, 'A12' is well-fed. Due to the lack of competition, it breeds more with the female 'A's. Suddenly all of the surviving 'A's are different - they're all better at hunting 'A's.

Then they start starving again, and the process continues for billions of years until Type-A becomes animal Type-R, who is not only really good at killing Type-B but it's also really fast.

Neanderthals are extinct. We are not, because we were more adaptable.

There was also never significant inter-breeding because cromag males would have found neanderthal females to be unattractive, and mitochondrial DNA is passed on by the female alone.

Although I'm guessing you have a bit of forehead in you.

So much talk... so little proof.

Look at the color of your skin. It's that color because of the climate your ancestors are from. They had to adapt to tempurature, amounts of UV, and humidity. Your teeth and pancreas will tell you their diets. Your immune system will tell you what pathogens they were exposed to. The time from them to you is only a rock-toss away from you in the time line compaired to what was before man. What made us become man? What did we have to adapt to? The list would be too long for 500,000 god-created trained-monkeys to write on 500,000 god-created typ-writers in 500,000 god-created years.

No, there have been pages of proof. You just refuse to read it or respond to any of it.

You wanted proof you got a deluge. Jesus Christ kid, wake up.

You mean so little proof you'd like to accept. It's better than us saying it happened because of magic, like you are.

Oh, and you know that Type-A/Type-B thing? Yeah. Farmers have been using that for tens of thousands of years.

Congratulations: you're incapable of understanding a concept a retard from 8,000 BC understood completely.

the only reason that evidence exists pointing towards evolution is so god can test you.

like dinosaurs, got put them there to test how much you believe.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh **** guys here comes the bible!

Dude I think that is the wrong translation.

I'm sorry, I didn't want to get into this debate, but now, I must...

1. The Bible states that the Sky is made of water.. because it is blue during the day, and black during the night, like the seas....
(I do believe that one was proven wrong)

2. The Bible states that the universe is thousands of years old, instead of billions or trillions.
(how do you explain the stars int eh sky that we can see that are a million lightyears away - that means it would take a million years for the light from that star to reach us, and if the universe is only 6000 years old, then I'm sorry but there is no way we could see that star.)

3. The Bible states that (can't remember exactly where, but it's a bible story) Man, attempting to reach the promised land, constructed a great tower, taller then any before it. god, who was angered, knocked the tower over to prevent them.
(a few hundred years later we made a tower of fire... and found there was "LITERALLY NOTHING" there in the first place.






Also, I would like to say that Evolution MUST be true, even for Christains, they MUST believe in it.. if not, how do you explain Asians, Africans, Indians, Latinos and so fourth... if EVERYONE CAME FROM THE SAME 2 PEOPLE..... where did all these different types of people (that are uniquely fit for their native countries) originate?

Exactly. Evolution doesn't really discredit the possibility of a creator at all.

also, why would god test us.. why would he want to? For fun? if he loves us, he should tell us the truth, not decieve us.... By giving us all this false information, it's kinda as if he's TRYING TO TRICK us into going to hell...

and if everything is 6000 years old, and god is eternal.. been around forever.. what did he do before the universe was created.. he had to do something, right?




And the idea of "all powerful" is an inpossibility also.. it would be physically impossible for ANYTHING to be all powerful. As i saw on TV once (pardon me, I am going to get kind of childish here)

"could god make a burrito so hot, that he himself could not eat it?"

this, though infantile, illustrates how absolute power is IMPOSSIBLE...

If he couldn't make the burrito so hot that he couldn't eat it... then There is something that he can't do.

If he CAN achieve making a burrito THAT HOT.. then he still can't eat it..




Another problem with religion is the idea of absolute justice. If a person kills a man, they WILL get what they diserve in the after life.

That is all well and good, but what about me. I don't believe in God because I don't understand how it could be possible, but I am a good person. I give to causes, and homeless people on the street (sometimes ), yet if I were to die tomorrow, and a child rapist were to die tomorrow, we would BOTH go to hell. That doesn't seem JUST to me.

The whole "Heaven and Hell" thing is WAY TOO black and white to exsist.. no shades of gray.





Spiral's Theory -

Murder and Theft was rampant, no one can keep an eye on EVERYONE at all times to make sure no one was killing or stealing, so they couldn't control it, it was a lawless society.

Someone came up with the idea of "scaring" the criminals through paranoia.

SOMEONE will be watching you ALL the time to make sure you are no stealing or killing.

But wait... what happens when someone finally gets up enough courage to kill someone, and nothing happens?

Oh, I got an idea, tell them that they won't get PUNISH NOW by "the watcher"... but ONCE THEY DIE they will be punished. Because NO ONE will know if they WILL INDEED get punished or not. AND by leaving the punishment vague and unspoken, we can scare a larger majority of people, because some men's fears don't seem too bad to EVERYONE.


-Religion isn't a bad thing, it did it's job well. Back in the dark ages when people were more barbaric, it kept society under control. I feel, however that Religion has NO PLACE in the world today.. (aside from the "live happy" thing) people seem to be (or hopefully are) responsible enough to be able to tell what is right and wrong for themselves...

Religion also helps people live happy lives... which is a good thing, because they don't have to worry about Death, which we all have experienced before we were born in the first place, we are just too scared to look at it, so we swiftly turn our heads to promises of light and eternal happiness.


The WORST part about ALL religion though is the fact that people KILL each other over it... I am the kind of person that says "Believe whatever you want to believe, as long as it don't endanger me or someone I care about... why can't more people be like this... And if you look at it, we are fighting over trivial differences...

All these Religious wars are just like two kids shooting each other on the playground because they couldn't agree if Santa's Coat is Red or Green...
Not even if he exsists int he first place... but something as minute as the color of his clothes.


"I don't need a god to tell me that killing is wrong." -- Athiest

That's one view. Look at some others.



He probably dated.



The problem with this logic is that God CAN in fact make that burrito, and CAN in fact make it, in religions who believe he is all powerful. Something which is all powerful obviously coouldn't exist in the same set of rules as you, hence, it could do both.



It's a real good thing lots of people don't see it that way, or even believe in hell.



But there are shades of gray for some people.



More conjecture than saying the universe was created with hands.



The point of most religions is not to determine right or wrong, despite what people may say. I agree in that I think too many people are hung up on their religion instead of focusing on what all (well, most, there are a few odd exceptions) teach at their heart. Be good.



Yeah.



People will kill eachother over anything.



Those are the people to trust. As are the people who are religious who say the same thing. There are lots, you know.



Yeah, that is a problem for people who believe the Bible is the verbatim word of God. But for people who (more realistically in my opinion) believe that it is a collection of inspired works, that makes no difference. It is a guy writing what he believed to convey spiritual concepts, in the context of his culture and understanding. It makes a lot more sense when you realize that is what the people at that time believed. God isn't going to dictate science to you when he is focused on your soul. Another reason they are seperate.



It actually doesn't, really. A geneaology says that, but even then it's quite open to interpretation. You can read that into it, but it's more of a religious tradition than anything.



Yeah, I always thought the point of that lesson was not to try and find a shortcut to happiness. Like I said, it is quite a dilemma for people like Gold, but for Bible realists this isn't even an issue. I understand you are addressing Gold's points, but I'm just saying here...



Truth.

The point is that although there will be bad people who will kill, religion is capable of convincing good people that it is righteous to kill certain people.

1.- Before the flood
2.- It states man is that old, how ever the world as it is today was created in 49 000 years (7 creation days), before it was just rock that lingered here for an unknown time.
3.- Its not the tower that was wrong, it was the purpose of the tower.

I'm sorry but that's pretty easy to explain if you believe in magic. First, the Bible never states the universe is 6,000 years old, only the world. He could have created the universe 50 billion years ago, thus the light would have already reached earth's location.

Even if the entire universe is 6,000 years old, don't you think god could just add all the light waves where they would be if the universe were billions of years old? He is magic, after all.