Because the inside of the galaxy has too much ambient radiation.

Oh wait that's why we evolved here. Nevermind.

*I agree with that and Im catholic or a "liberal catholic", as I like to say, which I guess doesnt make much sense*





Are these your theories or Dans? Either u all think A LOT alike or both use your nick on here... Just seemed like that was a Dan pt. the way it was expressed. I could be wrong though...dunno :em321:

dan is at work, I havn't even discussed this with dan, so I guess we just think alike.. we are brothers you know

You have probably heard this, but the most common excuse I have heard is that their DNA was 'more perfect'. Though when I actually thought about that I couldn't figure it out. However, from looking at people who do inbreed, it kind of seems like it gets worse the more inbreeding there is. So I figure if that is the case, the current immediate problems with inbreeding could be because we have used up our genetic leeway. I don't know if I believe the adam and eve thing, but I like to think of ways to explain other peoples thinking.



No, that isn't the case. The rib thing is a leftover from the Epic of Gilgamesh. Since Moses (or whoever compiled the Torah) most likely compiled it from earlier accounts, one of which was the Epic of Gilgamehs, we can expect this.

It's a triple meaning. The word for rib and life are the same in the language of the Epic of Gilgamesh. Hence Eve was the 'Lady of the Rib' and 'Lady of Life'. This meaning, is, unfortunately, completely lost in both Hebrew and English. The third meaning is that she was taken from Adam's side, not the bottom of his foot, hence being equal, and although the same (human, from his same body) she is different, but his peer. Got lost, somewhere along the line though. I can't remember where I read this, but if I remember I shall tell you. I am confident you can find it if you really want though. Though, this is more evidence for ignorance of most Judeo-Christian religions than truth, a clone is a very literalist reading.



I agree.

Ah, ok well then u all think A LOT alike.

As far as people changing, I was thinking actually about what scientists say about Lemurs.

On the island Madagascar, it was said that lemurs at first were all one kind, and then they started changing evolving, getting diff. characteristics and now have all diff. species of them. So that could be how humans changed to diff. races as well. I dont know, that's just my thought though.

Long long ago, in a laboratory far far away, scientists figured out that chimpanzees have 24 chromosomes in their sperms and eggs, whereas humans only have 23. Therefore, these great scientists theorized that two of our chromosomes might have fused together sometime in the recent past (aka million years ago.). Their theory made 3 predictions:

1) One of our chromosomes would look like two of the chimp chromosomes stuck together.
2) This same chromosome would have an extra sequence in it that looked like a centromere. Centromeres are the things in the middle that microtubules grab onto to divide a pair of chromosomes during mitosis.
3) It would also have telomeres (ends) but in the middle - and they would be in reverse order. Sort of like this:

ENDchromosomestuffDNEENDchromosomestuffDNE

See the "DNEEND" in the middle? That's what two telomeres would look like if two chromosomes were stuck together.

Lo and behold, these theories were put to the test. To test prediction 1, know that chromosomes all have a unique banding pattern. A "fingerprint." To test 2 and 3, you need sequence data. Telomeres and centromeres have characteristic DNA sequences.

What did those scientists find:



H=human, C=chimp, G=Gorilla, O=orangutan.



and



So how about it, non-evolutionists? Here, staring you in the face is not only evidence that chimps are our cousins (they may explain your last family reunion) but also a clue as to how it occured: two chromosomes fused, which could have altered gene expression in ways to change body plans.

Happy refuting!

scigirl

hahaha that reminds me of madagascar the movie...

"i like to move it move it, i like to move it move it" hahahahahahah!!

You know Tenchu, Its obvious from your replies that you read maybe two or three sentences in the middle of my post. Try again.

Long long ago, in a laboratory far far away, scientists figured out that chimpanzees have 24 chromosomes in their sperms and eggs, whereas humans only have 23. Therefore, these great scientists theorized that two of our chromosomes might have fused together sometime in the recent past (aka million years ago.). Their theory made 3 predictions:

1) One of our chromosomes would look like two of the chimp chromosomes stuck together.
2) This same chromosome would have an extra sequence in it that looked like a centromere. Centromeres are the things in the middle that microtubules grab onto to divide a pair of chromosomes during mitosis.
3) It would also have telomeres (ends) but in the middle - and they would be in reverse order. Sort of like this:

ENDchromosomestuffDNEENDchromosomestuffDNE

See the "DNEEND" in the middle? That's what two telomeres would look like if two chromosomes were stuck together.

Lo and behold, these theories were put to the test. To test prediction 1, know that chromosomes all have a unique banding pattern. A "fingerprint." To test 2 and 3, you need sequence data. Telomeres and centromeres have characteristic DNA sequences.

What did those scientists find:



H=human, C=chimp, G=Gorilla, O=orangutan.



and



So how about it, non-evolutionists? Here, staring you in the face is not only evidence that chimps are our cousins (they may explain your last family reunion) but also a clue as to how it occured: two chromosomes fused, which could have altered gene expression in ways to change body plans.

Happy refuting!

scigirl

lol

Secondly, you are in no position to call me on anything. You have stated exactly these 'concerns' in the past. The 'constantly changing theory' for example. To which I replied with info on Mendelian genetics and Watson/Crick DNA being additions (that perfectly completed evolution theory might I add), and punctuated equilibrium being a mentionable and important exception to gradualism. The theory itself, populations of species change over time through mutation to the point of speciation, etc... has never changed. And never will.

I also wrote, to another one of your claims ('dissenters are silenced' or something) that this claim portrays ultimate ignorance of the scientific process. If a scientist found disproving evidence against evolutionary theory, he'd publish it faster than you can say 'jiffy', taking it to the biggest magazines, etc... science thrives on disproving. When scientists 'test predictions', what they actually mean is they're hoping to find data contrary to the theory, so they can put themselves above the other scientists, have their names in font 26 on the front page of newspapers, and being able to gloat about how important they are. They're not emotionally healthy people, in that respect.

But they never find data that goes squarely against evolutionary theory. The rabbit in the precambrian stratum has never been found. And never will be, so don't hold your breath.

I wrote exactly that to you the previous time you asked it. Then no reply came. You have done this on more than one occasion: spouted your nonsense, then leave so you wouldn't actually have to contrast your beliefs with the real world.

There are lots of terms for this behavior. 'Drive-by preaching' is one of them. 'Lying for Jesus' another one. Intellectual honesty it ain't though.

You have never, never, ever shown that you were actually interested in learning a thing or two. You don't deserve anything more than the copy n paste replies I gave you (which you still have to reply to, like in normal social discourse).

I also remember you ignoring the following advice in probably every post I have written to you on evolutionary theory time and time again:

Read a book.

So, what I'm getting from the "Cease fire" thread is that Gold won't be coming back in here...

Yes, he wet himself and ran away with his tail between his legs. The usual for SF_GoldG_01.

He's a special lad.

Maybe his god told him to stop.

Gold's law?

Gahh! Read the first sentence and don't stop until you hit the end! If you can't comprehend that I give up.

People have already responded. And you seem to forget that in the past, creation was taught in schools and it took a case in the supreme court in order to allow the teaching of evolution. The school systems slowly shifted to the teaching of evolution, this wasn't some bias, this was...dare I say...more educational to try to explain our history without pointing to some magical creature in the sky.

Up she goes. Time is running out.

"But but....Gluttony is A SIN!"

"Oh right umm... LOOK ITS BATMAN"

"What?"

"Bye" *runs then tires of fattyness

i need a beer

YEP YOU KNOW IT

SavageX, I see you have changed your signature, and the drdino mania remains. Take the stage!

Step up dudes! You insult Francis Bacon

This thread needs to die.

Interesting.

Why? Too much of a coward to refute his argument and too ashamed to let this thread live on?

Funny. You remind me of SF_GoldG_01. Not as bad though.

Best. Thread. Ever.

Tick tock tick tock....

Best. Diet Coke with Bacon. Ever.

from article you linked to:



now also from wikipedia:

actually.... you could argue that evolution has helped us do all that... if we never evolved the way we did, we most certainly wouldnt have all that stuff. :p

and jon'c you need to change "medicine" to "modern medicine" most ancient medicine was discovered and practiced by the religious cast of society(sp?) such as medicine men/women druids, although they could also be considered ancient scientists so nevermind really...



have you ever taken a look at the type of trees that giraffe eat, a lot of the time they are eating leaves from trees that have nice large thorns on them... pretty convienent that the giraffe has this crazy huge tongue that allows it to avoid said thorns dont you think? all you have to do is look, evidence of adaptation is EVERYWHERE!!!!!!

You'd have a better chance of getting a decent response from a brick wall...

yeah i suppose...

this is probably one of the arguments that erks me the most! if it was possible for god to make a burrito so hot that he himself couldnt eat it, we wouldnt be able to understand the mechanism of it anyways! lets just leave it at, if there is an all powerful being who wanted to make a burrito so hot that even he could not eat it, the human mind would not be able to comprehend how it would be done, which is part of why i have always you cannot bind an all powerful god to the rules of logic!







that statement is way to black and white to exist! :p

the next person to post in this thread officially has a small wang.

and that includes girlz.

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

How did you know? You *******, don't go advertising the size of my manhood.

Since I see people keep growling things at me behind my back, I've decided to renter the thread... you know something... every time some one tries to atack tenshu, is it just me or does he go babbling left and right about his great perfect experience and this and that... there really is no place for people like that in a discussion, credibility is not the issue at this moment.

Enough side stepping and get to the logic.

You're a coward.