On a side note, its been genticaly proven that all modern day men have come from a common female that would seem to have existed 6000-6500 years ago... exactly as the bible states man has been around not much more than 6000 years ago...

1. - WTF?
2. - The Bible never officially states how old man was, and how was time measured if earth was not created? 7 days could be a month.
3. - Finally you're bringing relation of stories for morals and values instead of literal meaning. I like to see more people doing this.

(towers rule BTW)

First off, you have no support for this information. Therefore, right off the bat I don't believe you.

1.- Before the great flood in Noah's time, there was this water thing that surrounded the Earth, and apparently there were no winter, summer, fall or spring station stuff... apparently everything was stable. (Climate wise)

2.- From what I understand a day in the eyes of god is 1000 years of our time, and a creation day is squared and then multipled by 1000.

3.- Thats pretty much what the bible is, how ever, it is historicaly accurate.

It was on the news, will dig up link in a few minutes.

Then why does it say in my history book that there were seafaring ships on the Mediterranean in 10,000 BC?

Does your book have any support or information for this... cause in my HISTORY BOOKS it would seem that the bible is the only reliable source for history to this day.

Atlantis.

>.>

It's... a history book. It wouldn't be in there if there wasn't evidence for it.

Historians are literally the authority of History.

So what? I have a history book that says George Washington invaded Mexico and stole Texas... go figure.
BTW: I think I found your history book... it reads something like this...

"Its not generally known how long man has been ontaking sea voyage, but estimated that they have been since 10000 bc..."

Estimation on what? And what would lead some one to believe this?

EDIT: And the history book was made by an American too...

Now apply that same logic to the Bible...

How ever the bible would seem to be infaulable and has never been proven wrong.

Understand that history books over 4 years old, if even that, are obsolete and outdated.

Evidence would lead someone to believe this if they found a plank in the ocean or something. Don't know how else to explain it. It is as if we found a plank in the Alps and claimed it was Noah's Arc.

Yet the arc has supposedly been found, well half of it... but the government of some nation won't let the people dig it out ...

You can't honestly believe everything you're told?

CNN, CBS, TV, National Geographic, Reuters, and Yahoo news are my sources...

If there is nothing that conflicts with it, yes I can.

So will politics.

See:Military.

See:Police

See:Self Defence

Now however if you mean things like killing all brown people in the world, yeah, that doesn't fly. However, it doesn't take religion to do that.

Know what's great about the Bible? You can translate it to say anything you want.

Really.

Let's take one that's pretty common, like... say.... "You shall not steal."
Using Babelfish you can translate it to "Δεν θα κλέψετε"
"Δεν θα κλέψετε" translates to French "Vous ne volerez pas"
"Vous ne volerez pas" translates to "Sie werden nicht fliegen", which I blame on Luther!
"Sie werden nicht fliegen" to "No volarán" for our little gang buddy here
"No volarán" to "Não voarão" for his neighbors to the south
"Não voarão" to "Они не летят" for our communist overlords, and finally:
"Они не летят" to "They do not fly".

"They do not fly"? What the Christ?
True Christians shouldn't use airplanes!! I HAVE REVEALED ONE OF THE GREAT TRUTHS OF HUMANITY PEOPLE!

Edit: I HAVE REVEALED IT BY TRANSLATING THE BIBLE WITH MY MAGIC SEEING-STONE!

lol

dude... the Bible claims that some dude parted the red sea and he walked to the other side.

That right there is enough to prove the bible is not infalliable. Of course, some joker is going to come along and claim it's some kind of metaphor. I ask you, in which case, why take it as a completely accurate history?

That was juvenile

No, YOUR face is juvenile.

Best.


Post.


Ever.

(And before you judge me, I do indeed know that Bablefish makes huge translating mistakes, but the same message Jon'C is trying to make applies.)

Wow, that went wrong somewhere between the English and French, doesn't take much does it?

Well...England and France fought each other in the 100 years war, in which they believed "God was on their side".

lawl.

We've given you several examples.

Well I'm telling you that there is a giant flying spaghetti monster floating in a far flung corner of the universe that modern science cannot detect.

I always tell myself, despite how compelled you feel to post, don't. Then I tell myself it's ok as long as I post something like:

Animal Crackers in my Soup.

Which I intended to for a second. Then I think, what the hell kinda purpose does that serve?

Then I think, it entertains me!

The net result of this post is that some of y'all know what I was thinking for a minute or two on the night of January 18, 2006. You will forget soon.

But I was entertained!

I believe he might be referring to "Lucy" the missing link ape thingy... anyway.. if Gold is saying that there was not Adam and eve... just eve... hmm.. then I'll have to quote jurassic park "are you suggesting that an ecosystem compsed entirely of females will.... breed?"

and even if adam and eve is true.. (as I said, that doesn't account for all the different races) then did abel have sex with eve? cause adam and eve.. then cain and abel.. abel kills Cain.... so we have 3 people.... Abel, Adam And Eve.... the bible sneaks around this part by just jumping into "Then Abel "knew" his wife and had a son"
not explaining who his wife was and where she came from.. was she eve? she would of had to of been...

BTW i actually like this thred.. it is very mature, and there hasn't been any flaming (yet)... I could "discuss" this for days

I stand corrected

What about his sister? That seems more likely to me. I mean, let's face it, if you had a choice between your mother and your sister, which would it be?

They had many children if I remember correctly... and the different races come from the sons of Noah.

I actually find it kinda funny that Gold can throw out something as credible as a history book at the drop of a hat, but when it comes to a book that has giants that live to 900 years old, and animals that talk, and magic that contradicts itself over and over and over and over again... it's fine.

I mean seriously... the bible itself says that god is all seeing, but when adam and eve eat from the tree of knowledge, god didn't know until adam told him... and adam even hid.. and god called to him "adam, where art thou?"...

doesn't sound like an all knowing, all seeing being to me...

Now I can respect that there are things going on that we can not comprehend... but you can't use magic to explain it.. magic is for kids. There may very well be a creator of some kind.. I don't know... but it couldn't have POSSIBLY of happened the way the bible tells it... at all...

did he do it with the animals or something? I guess.. a sailor left on a boat for 40 days with nothing but animals to keep him company? makes sense...


Oh and the flood shows that god is fallable too... cause he did not like what he was seeing from society.. which means it didn't turn out the way he wanted it to... = he messed up and wanted to start all over from the beginning.... ANOTHER CONTRADICTION....

and you HONESTLY believe that the universe wasn't always space.. it was nothing but water.. and ALL this water rained down on one tiny planet (that is randomly placed on the edge of the universe.... not even the center of it's galaxy OR it's system...) and it flooded it, killing ALL life.. even Sea life.... except for a man and a boat that carried ALL of the creatures of the world... even speciese of animals that havn't even been discovered yet at the time.... sounds believeable to me..... :em321:

hell, we're STILL discovering new specise on a DAILY basis


Where did all the water go once the flood was over? obviously not back up into the sky.. or into the ground.. cause a universe of water could not fit inside one small planet...

Which is what's so incredibly delicious about arguing prehistory with Bible literalists: They all honestly believe themselves to be retarded. Honest-to-God retarded. Not the modern colloquialism for stupid, I mean actual people with such severe genetic flaws that they are incapable of normal development. Son-and-Mother or Brother-and-Sister making babies retarded.

And don't forget that, according to the Bible, Eve was a clone of Adam. I don't even KNOW what that family tree would look like. Christ almighty.


I'm sorry, it just didn't happen. Even assuming there is a supreme being out there somewhere with the power to create the universe, which I believe, I doubt he'd be stupid enough to use magic to form a complete population with a sufficient genetic base to propagate itself into our current form.
Any properly-designed system has built-in mechanisms for self-adjustment and stabilization. Without any form of evolution or adaptation built into the earth system, the slightest change would result in the complete annihilation of the entire world.

Even if God did wave his hand and create the entire world overnight, the system would still support evolution because it's a smart choice.

First of all, you're probably trying to refer to the midochondrial Eve (though I'm not sure, since it seems as you believe that science is black magic...), who is not our common ancestor, she is the most-common matrilineal ancestor. Secondly, instead of 6,500 years ago, try ~150,000. I can easily go farther into this explaining the observation of mitochondrial DNA mutation trends and and how Eve had the largest unbroken line of female descendants despite there being a population of humans back then (their lines have been broken through generations producing only sons or no offspring at all), or that even the Y-chromosomal Adam lived about 75,000 years ago, but I have a feeling you're going to point to the Bible and begin thumping it rapidly.

GOOD POST.

and what the hell kind of scatter brain was god anyway if he does exsist... why woul dhe put his crowing acheve ment NOT in the center of everything.. why put it outin the middle of nowhere...