[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Oh yeah, down to petty namecalling now are we? Didn't think it'd take long for you to degrade to it. Nonetheless...

I couldn't tell you what'd I do if someone spraypainted on my house...because I don't have one. I live in an apartment. If they decided to tag my apartment, I honestly couldn't care less. If people decided to tag the front of shops (which nobody really does unless they're out to be disrespectful, most people do it behind shops for a reason) then I couldn't care less. Honestly.

I see that it's vandalism--this is why graffiti artists should have walls where they can go and tag anytime they want. Not only that but there's always the alternative of Airbrushing. You see, you think that graffiti is the only way that artists express themselves and its not--most graffiti artists I know draw their **** all the time and have only done about 5 tags with a lot of planning behind them. Honestly, I understand it's vandalism, but that doesn't lessen the fact that it IS art, it IS an expression of one's personality, it's not just some kid trying to be cool (for the most part).

Spe--that may not be art, but he still could be an artist. A lot of artists draw really childish things once in a while. The only difference here is that it was on a wall.

Like I already said, though, there's a massive difference between those who just do tags and actual artists that think in the stylized nature of graffiti art, whose minds conform to that certain style. Seeing as how you guys look at it as a bane instead of as an art form (Talk about hypocrisy. Saying I can't see both sides of the coin.) I don't expect you to understand. I don't expect you to care. I just expect you to continue on being ignorant of the fact that there ARE artists out there who do graffiti--and most of the people who do graffiti that aren't in gangs are actually probably artists just trying to express themselves. Not just punk kids "marking their territory"[/QUOTE]

First off, you started it:



Unless what was in astrices are flowing words of praise. Early onset Alzheimer's already buddy?

That said, we have a fundamental disagreement, which can't really be argued. See, I care if where I live has been vandalized, as well as local shops. Any marking, anywhere, I care. You don't, for whatever reason (not saying this is a bad thing). This isn't something that can really be debated, it's a mindset stemming from somewhere. It's about respecting the property of others, and I guess we diverge on that point.

Romani Ite Domum!

Half the fun of a gold thread is usually the derailment?

Why does it matter? Gold's stupidity is only entertaining for so long.

But defending crap graffiti is just rubbish.

I have iterated at least twice now I'm not defending tags. I'm defending graffiti artists who actually do art. Writing a word up, especially if it's not stylized and has no thought put behind it, is not art.

But I guess you're just another close-minded **** too. Not that I'm surprised.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi][url]www.graffiti.org[/url]
It's art. Have you ever met the people that do it? No. You don't understand how they see it, and what else they do. Trust me, it's art.[/QUOTE]


That was your response to me saying that a lot of it was ugly tagging and window etching. That's why I asked why you couldn't see both sides of the coin. You've since turned around to say that some are "just tagging" and the others are artists, which has been exactly my point all along! Unfortunately the most prolific graffiti artists are the crap taggers. I know hypocrite is the favourite insult to bandy around in this sort of online argument but it really didn't apply there!
By the way, I love the way your initial reaction was to jump down my neck, make accusations and then answer them yourself. Wonderful debating style.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Why does it matter? Gold's stupidity is only entertaining for so long.[/QUOTE]

But it's better than trying to argue about something that has no true answer. At least we can ALL agree that SF_Gold's existence is amusing. I think this argument would be better suited for another thread, not just because it's derailing the thread, because it would be good argument for it's own thread.

Word. Heh, irony... but yeah, I just realized the whole futility of it. A certain DJ, on the other hand, does not. Stop calling people who disagree with you closed minded. Is that your new catch phrase? "He don't like pickles! WHY THAT CLOSE MINDED ****!"

For what it's worth, I'm enjoying this!

See now that's just a step too far. Sit up there in your little ivory tower and say what you like, but know that it doesn't irk me one bit. If you get a little happy thrill from insulting me over the internet, carry on! I'm a closed minded racist bigot who like to throw babies off buildings and eat my neighbours' pets!

/me insult dances!

Actually I'd love to have something like this on a car. That'd be awesome.

And while we're on the subject, I think the parallels between graffiti and the music element of hip-hop are interesting. I mean, clearly they're part of the same movement. But the image I just linked is a good example of how the stuff can be literally a visual representation of the bursting-at-the-seams sound of hip-hop (although Sean Combs and others seem to be squishing that energy flat). Like this here:

Herbaliser & Jean Grae - Tea and Beer (Languange Warning lolz)

There's a sense of being assaulted--visually in graffiti and through sound in hip-hop music (I'm not talking violent lyrics here). That turns people off a lot of the time, but when one just sucks it in, it's a great source of energy and enthusiasm. There's spontaneity in the stuff, certainly. But more importantly--and I think this is the most important part, at least with the "highbrow" stuff--the goal is to take what is already there, and beautify it with a sense of life and vitality.

And, that's all I have to say about that.

Don't worry, he is just insecure because his ivory tower is so short that people can tag on the top of it. Unfortunately, nobody really sees his ivory tower.

oohhhh

Anyone remember goofus and gallant from Highlights? They both did the same thing, but in different ways. Here, thrawn in Gallant. DJ is Goofus. Same point, but one does it much better. I think you can figure out who quite easily.

[QUOTE=Lord Kuat]Word. Heh, irony... but yeah, I just realized the whole futility of it. A certain DJ, on the other hand, does not. Stop calling people who disagree with you closed minded. Is that your new catch phrase? "He don't like pickles! WHY THAT CLOSE MINDED ****!"[/QUOTE]
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Game, set, match.

Hitler invented graffitti therefore it is wrong.

OH NO!

GODWIN'D!