STUDY THIS.

*farts in your general direction*

Man this thread is going fast. I bet this won't even be a double post.

You had a turkey sandwich 3 hours ago.

Roach, lol! Gold thinks he's God now.

An apartment building as a bad cockroach problem, so the landlord calls an exterminator to come and spray. He comes, and sprays the floor, under all the furniture, in the walls, in the attic, everywhere. Now all the cockroaches die, except for those that, for one reason or another, are able to withstand the pesticide. These cockroaches reproduce and the next generation, inheriting traits from the previous, has a higher percentage of cockroaches that can survive the exterminator. In this second generation, the cockroaches that still can't resist the poison die on the exterminator's next visit, and the third generation has an even higher percentage of pesticide-immune roaches.

This is evolution. Individuals that have a specific trait are favored by the environment, and that trait is passed on to subsequent generations. I have absolutely no idea how you can even argue that this doesn't occur. Darwin proved it with his finches, and many other examples have been observed. Evolution occurs.

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]An apartment building as a bad cockroach problem, so the landlord calls an exterminator to come and spray. He comes, and sprays the floor, under all the furniture, in the walls, in the attic, everywhere. Now all the cockroaches die, except for those that, for one reason or another, are able to withstand the pesticide. These cockroaches reproduce and the next generation, inheriting traits from the previous, has a higher percentage of cockroaches that can survive the exterminator. In this second generation, the cockroaches that still can't resist the poison die on the exterminator's next visit, and the third generation has an even higher percentage of pesticide-immune roaches.

This is evolution. Individuals that have a specific trait are favored by the environment, and that trait is passed on to subsequent generations. I have absolutely no idea how you can even argue that this doesn't occur. Darwin proved it with his finches, and many other examples have been observed. Evolution occurs.[/QUOTE]

You know, trying to evolve a Gold thread back to it's original topic, is a lot like trying to evolve people back to eating lots of raw meat.

It results in intestinal problems and very stinky excrement.

Did Chuck Norris evolve?

And by the way, while we are on the subject, Here comes a candle to light you to bed, here comes a chopper to chop off your head!

That post made me think Vinny was writting a huge metaphor for banning me. I hate you, Vinny.

You'll get over it.

God is unchanging...

Don't make me close this (again) by mentioning Chuck Norris.

[QUOTE=gold in other thread]I would really love to see some ACTUAL proof of that, and I don't mean words on a web page, I mean proof[/QUOTE]
Look at the first page, then read this. What a hypocrite.

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]Don't make me close this (again) by mentioning Chuck Norris.[/QUOTE]

I can't decide if that would anger Gold or make him happy...

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]You'll get over it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you're probably right. Besides, don't want to risk me becoming more and more resistant to bans.

He'd act mad but he'd be relieved.

Indeed. Cheese is awesome.

Chili con queso, salsa con queso, cream cheese, mozarella...

CHEESE.

IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER.

I don't know what's worse... The fact that I want to mercilessly insult Gold simply because he's never right about ANYTHING...

Or that I'm going to marry a woman who blindly believes something so stupid as creationism just as devoutly as he does...

Seriously... We can't even MENTION the topic...

Just show her how hairy you are, ape-man.

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]An apartment building as a bad cockroach problem...[/QUOTE]
That's an interesting example, Vinny. Critics have claimed that because evolution is so difficult to observe, it cannot be an accurate theory. In a similar vein to the roach example, aren't there fears of bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics? Isn't that an example of evolution that is observable within our lifetime?

It's beyond fears. It's fact. Bacteria in hospitals are resistant to antibiotics and various cleaners.

Any Titanic jokes you want to make as long as we're hitting these phenomena at the height of their popularity?


Irony!

Vinny made a big mistake by unlocking this.

Why did I just read this whole thread?

Someone, please tell me why? I feel like I just wasted ten minutes.

Morbid curiousity to see if goldboy finally cracked and got banned?

Because you're a loser like the rest of us and have nothing better to do.

Great philosphy. Good luck with that in hte real world.

He could always cheat. It'd accomplish the same purpose. Except the cheating would actually make him more successful and knowladgeable than his previous plan. There are very few situations where that applies.

That's one of the reasons AIDS is so difficult to fight; it keeps changing to resist new treatments.

And obviously my example was very simple and small scale, but you figure that over thousands or millions of years you could get some pretty radical changes.

*humps Gold*

Bar Fight! *Breaks bottle of wine over Stats' head*

It's Sats. Martha Sats.

Ahh, what's a "t" more or less? Probably do him good.

Ok, since 90% of the posts in here are completely unrelated to the topic, BILL SUCKS!!

Gold: people like Martyn telling you to read biology, etc. have it dead on. You wanted to re-open a debate. One of the FUNDEMENTAL parts of debate is knowing the OTHER side inside-out, and addressing the OTHER side directly in your part. You can't simply go on and on about YOUR side being right with the idea that your side is ABSOLUTELY right -- that's called bias. Likewise, you can't simply pick and choose evidence that supports you while ignoring everything else that flies in the face of your argument.

Example:
evidence: "This animal has four legs, and fur. The color of its fur is probably brown."
Your post: OMG LOOK AT THIS!! This animal is OBVIOUSLY a cheetah. Here's my evidence: This animal has four legs, and fur."
Rebuttal: What about the other evidence indicating that the animal probably has brown fur; thus it might be a horse or something?
Your rebuttal: That's impossible, because it's impossible, and those studies have not been verified!

That's picking and choosing evidence, and it's stupid. (Also note that I specifically wrote "the color of the fur is PROBABLY brown" as evidence because that leaves it open to discussion)

The article you provided .. basically goes through bunch of evidence that otherwise wouldn't go against evolution, and says "but this can't be possible!" without providing any basis for their claims.



Rephrased: "omg, OBVIOUSLY things that old can't be preserved like that so it must be fake!!". Why can't it be preserved like that? Is there some experimental or even logical basis past "it's common sense" (which doesn't apply very well to counterintuitive situations)?

This is basically disproving on the grounds that "We think it seems wrong, and you should too. Don't mind that people involved are actually delving into this and trying to find the truth. Indeed, at first impression, it seems against what we'd normally believe. Our intuition is never wrong, so therefore this whole thing must be a fallacy!"

Pommy is wrong in advance.

Pommy defies gravity, ergo, Pommy's ideas on science are flawed.

I find this thread disturbingly entertaining. Also, I've got a huge craving for cheese now.

FRIED CHEESE.

I had so much cheese last night. I am allergic to dairy, but not lactose intolerant. Hence, it makes my eyes red and that is it. I ate a whole pizza a cheese pull aparts from 'The Pie' last night.

When I woke up this morning, my mediterranean skin had doused the room in the smell of garlic. Oddly, my eyes are not at all red. I think garlic may be the secret. Water too.