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Pirates of the Dead Man's Chest
2006-07-07, 1:05 PM #41
Hey, if they don't want spoilers they shouldn't even read further than the first post.
nope.
2006-07-07, 1:18 PM #42
Originally posted by Baconfish:
Hey, if they don't want spoilers they shouldn't even read further than the first post.


Thats not true. I'm avoiding the tags but I still want to read the comments on whether you guys found it good or not.
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2006-07-07, 1:55 PM #43
Originally posted by Zloc_Vergo:
BUT, was it Davy Jones' real heart? And how did he end up with it, if it really is it? Did he and Jack perhaps make a deal? My thinking is maybe he slaid (slayed?) the guys that came after him, and threw one of those hearts in a bag, just so he can get his position back. But, most likely, he and Jack made a deal.



Didn't you see when, after Jack put the heart in his dirt jar, Norrington went up to the rowboat and noticed the jar of dirt, and then they cut away to some half-minute later? Norrington just managed to nab it without the other characters noticing. It's the real deal -- it wouldn't be beating on its own otherwise.

In any case, I'm with most of the people here -- fun movie, but not as good as the first. I disliked how they ran the "rum" jokes into the ground, as they were obviously trying to capitalize on the rum line's popularity from the first movie. The first half wasn't necessarily boring for me as much as confusing -- I had trouble following some of the dialogue. Stuff happened that I didn't really understand (like how the dice game was played - minor note). Davy Jones IS awesome, and I had no issues with the Kracken. However, the end seems like a gaping plot hole to me, as that guy should be dead-dead. We'll see.
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2006-07-07, 2:00 PM #44
Ah but by the same token Jack should be dead-dead too. He's still apparently alive though.

I don't think things like that can be pointed in a film thats got stuff to do with skeleton pirates, mythological sea beasts and baranacle crews anyway.
nope.
2006-07-07, 2:00 PM #45
The first movie was more like pirates and myths and swashbuckle me this and yarg me that, the second movie seemed to be more voodoo and no-way-that-could-happen type fights. Now I guess ANYTHING is possible. Who cares who died, because chances are they aren't dead. Thanks to voodoo!
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2006-07-07, 2:04 PM #46
See SAJN kinda gets my point!

Good victor.
nope.
2006-07-07, 2:59 PM #47
If Boba can survive the Sarlaac, Jack can survive the Kracken.
2006-07-07, 3:13 PM #48
Originally posted by Zloc_Vergo:
BUT, was it Davy Jones' real heart? And how did he end up with it, if it really is it? Did he and Jack perhaps make a deal? My thinking is maybe he slaid (slayed?) the guys that came after him, and threw one of those hearts in a bag, just so he can get his position back. But, most likely, he and Jack made a deal.

haha, I may have just given a plot piece away to those who haven't seen it. Whatever you do, DON'T READ THE SPOILERS.

:v:


Originally posted by Baconfish:
I had kinda guessed that Norrington had it. since he was so willing to run off to let the others escape.



Oh come on, they made this obvious. Aside from the aforementioned Norrington staring at the jar of dirt, they had an explicit shot of him tucking something into his jacket and then running away. It wasn't fleeting, either .. it was almost two seconds long (him tucking thing into shirt, running off camera, while jack or will or somebody, I forgot, runs on camera from behind)

I knew he had it for like 10 minutes before they actually showed it

Also, regarding Barbossa's return: I got the impression that the voodoo lady brought him back from the dead, and she's extending the offer of helping the crew do the same for jack, with Barbossa as captain/guide. At least, that would make the most sense. The implication is that she has a lot of experience regarding going into the land of the dead, communcates, travels there, etc. etc.
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2006-07-07, 3:16 PM #49
The voodoo lady and Davy Jones both had the same heart symbol on their jewlery. Am I the only one who noticed that?
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2006-07-07, 3:37 PM #50
they're probably both undead
2006-07-07, 3:48 PM #51
Or maybe she's the woman he loves, duh.
2006-07-07, 3:52 PM #52
oh yeah that too. my statement still works though
2006-07-07, 4:24 PM #53
This is the first thread where I've actually avoided the spoilers. It sure reads funny.

Seeing it in an hour.
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2006-07-07, 4:41 PM #54
[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine] Or maybe she's the woman he loves, duh. [/QUOTE]

Ah, see I never thought of that.
nope.
2006-07-07, 5:43 PM #55
Still havent seen it...

This is what the Ninja has to say...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBly9_mci90
2006-07-07, 5:44 PM #56
Oh yeah, and Jack's "final scene" was very well done cinematically .. it had that epic feel to it
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2006-07-07, 6:03 PM #57
It was entertaining, but not quite as good as the first one. I agree with one of you that it seems like this movie is trying to build itself up for the third movie. The humor is also a bit more forced in some scenes as oppose to relying on witty dialogue. The island with the savages was more like a filler than something essential to character development/main plot development. Additionally, the three-way duel wasn't all that great. It felt dragged out and they don't seem to be making all that much of an effort hit each other. Still the movie picked up towards the end.

That was just plain badass when Jack faced the Kraken with his sword. That would make a great wallpaper.
2006-07-07, 7:04 PM #58
I'm pretty happy that I read your opinions before heading into the movie and I think that is what helped it be such a great experience. I also went in telling myself that the whole surprise of an excellent pirate movie we got in the first movie was done with. I knew I was seeing a sequel, a follow-up. Right off the bat, I also knew I wouldn't get the same feeling from this movie because I knew the "bad guys" were all mutant fishy business. I'm the kind of guy who enjoys things that stick closer to "human." For example I'll prefer "fantasy" that only contains humans over fantasy with elves and dwarves.

With that said, I personally enjoyed the entirity of the movie, except perhaps for the overused KRAKEN SMASH! Still the actual effects were impressive. The whole first half was somehow over the top silly but I still managed to enjoy it.

Anyone notice a few things that shone with Monkey Island feel? The coffin boat and the whole voodoo swamp business.

I was also extremely happy to see Barbossa again, simply because I really really enjoyed his character.
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2006-07-07, 11:04 PM #59
my question is this... if the voodoo woman brought barbosa back...
1. is he just living in her attic?
2. Why doesn't she just bring Jack back that way? why do they have to "sail to the end of the earth"??
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2006-07-07, 11:19 PM #60
Did he even die at the end of PotC? I can't remember.
2006-07-07, 11:46 PM #61
yes they did, johnny had taken the gold to fight off the curse and then right before the death blow he tossed the coin to Orlando, who put his blood on it, and dropped it back in the chest, which supposedly lifted the curse and killed the main captain, as well as other crewmen who'd been shoot etc, and those who hadnt surrendered
2006-07-07, 11:54 PM #62
trying to get through this thread (and threads like these) with out hitting the spoiler taggs is like walking thgouh a ever thicking mine-feild. i cant wait to see the move
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2006-07-08, 6:54 PM #63
I would rather see "Pirates of the Caribbean:Live Girl's Chest Starring Kiera Knightly".

:gbk:
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2006-07-08, 7:14 PM #64
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2006-07-08, 7:41 PM #65
Originally posted by Spook:
I would rather see "Pirates of the Caribbean:Live Girl's Chest Starring Kiera Knightly".

:gbk:


the dresses make you wonder if she ever fell out

I enjoyed the movie, I love the line "Where is the monkey, I want something to shoot"
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2006-07-08, 8:37 PM #66
Oh definitely, that line was the best thing in the whole movie :D
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2006-07-08, 8:59 PM #67
Originally posted by BoricuaDelight:
yes they did, johnny had taken the gold to fight off the curse and then right before the death blow he tossed the coin to Orlando, who put his blood on it, and dropped it back in the chest, which supposedly lifted the curse and killed the main captain, as well as other crewmen who'd been shoot etc, and those who hadnt surrendered



That never made sense. Turner didn't drop the coin until after Barbosa had been shot.
2006-07-08, 9:43 PM #68
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
That never made sense. Turner didn't drop the coin until after Barbosa had been shot.


lol yeah well that's disney for ya
2006-07-08, 10:10 PM #69
Bullet through the chest + no time for it to heal = death
Think while it's still legal.
2006-07-09, 5:28 AM #70
I liked it, in a 'switch your brain off and be entertained' sort of way. Nowhere near as good as the first movie, though. Half the fun of Curse of the Black Pearl was meeting and fleshing out these great characters - in Dead Man's Chest the characters really dont develop at all as there's not much more of them to be fleshed out. But the plot is interesting enough to keep your attention, the special effects are as good as they should be, and some of the scenary is truely beautiful.

Johnny Depp is as enjoyable as ever and Orlando Bloom is as 'look at me I'm a pansy-boy' as ever, although I would like to have seen a little more of Keira Knightley ;)

That movie must come close to holding the Disney bodycount record, a hell of a lot of bit and background characters meet an untimely demise.
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2006-07-09, 5:46 AM #71
I watched the first one yesterday... it was neat, I think I'm going to see the sequel.
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2006-07-10, 1:06 PM #72
Hmm, i have to say i disagree with almsot everyone's opinion in this post. bring on the flames! just kidding, i have good reasons, to be embellished henseforth:

Well, my main problem with people saying a) the comedy is stale (especially the rum) c) there was no plot advancement and b) too much kraken. so, without further ado:

a) in the movie i saw two sorts of jokes i think msot people have a problem with: the laughing a jack for being drunk and a tad feminine on occation, and the rum. second thing first, i think you guys fail to realize how important rum actually was in the time this was supposed to have taken place, especially on ships. good water was hard to get and it never kept well, and so people always used to drink rum, because it wouldn;t go bad as easily and in general tasted better. also, getting drunk on rum was one of the few sources of entertainment out of port. of cource they're going to reference the rum a lot! it wasn;t like it was the same joke, it was jsut several references to rum in different cases. the only rehash was when jack said 'Hide the rum', and i personally found that rahter entertaining, especially since it was the first rum joke in the movie. Secondly, as for laughing at jack, that's his character, a slightly effeminant and frequently drunk pirate. he's always going to act like that, so if you ahve a problem with that then its a problem with the character, not the writers. this also goes for the two pirates (the fat guy adn the guy with the wooden eye), they always act like that, and frankly i found them quite witty. they're like the jester in a shakespear play.

secondly, B) very simple responce to this, imo. not sure how you can possibly think there wasn't any. at the end of Pirates I they had the black pearl, the other two were getting married, and norrington was out. at the beginning of 2, they've still got the pearl, jack's doing well, but will and kiera are in jail. now, at the end of 2, jack's dead, the pearl has returned to the depths, the east india trading company now has control of davy jones and thereby the ocean, norrington is back as a commodore, the govenor general is basically under the command of the EICo, and Barberosa (sorry about the spelling) is back alive. pretty damn lot of change, in my opinion.

Lastly, C) the kraken. what's the big problem? there were only 3 scenes (the last one isn;t more, its just one long scene and a pretty sweet battle, imo). the first one show us "hey, davy jones has a huge beasty he doesn't mind using", we don;t even se it, and it takes like, 5 seconds. The second scene you get to see the kraken, and it also shows how will finds out how to fight it. and of course the last scene is the big one of the crew vs it. why is three scenes in a 2 1/2 movie bad? and the first one hardly counts by any measure. hell, you can;t even tell it is a kraken then.


anyway, i loved it. not quite as good as the first, mayhaps, but still a great movie. but whatever, to each thier own.

[Edit] added spoiler tags. sorry about that
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2006-07-10, 1:13 PM #73
Wait a second...you edited your post and you still don't use caps?
2006-07-10, 1:14 PM #74
You know, spoiler tags on a few days old movies are a must. You've given up some pretty damn important spoilers in there!
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2006-07-10, 1:31 PM #75
I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was quite a romp, and it had mysterious parts, epic parts, and adventurous parts that worked well. I went in expecting to have fun and I did... seen it twice, actually, once with friends and once with my brother...

There's no real justification for saying it's the 'worst movie of the year' as I've heard some do, that's just stupidity.
2006-07-10, 7:26 PM #76
I'd like to also say that it IS a must see. Its funny, full of action, and its got a very creative story. Just don't be expecting a resolution at the end.
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2006-07-10, 7:34 PM #77
Now that I think back on it, I dislike it more than when I first posted. It really was not a good movie at all.
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2006-07-10, 7:47 PM #78
HERMIONE KILLS DUMBLEDORE
2006-07-10, 7:51 PM #79
SNAPE KILLS BOOTSTRAP BILL
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2006-07-10, 7:53 PM #80
Originally posted by genk:
SNAPE KILLS BOOTSTRAP BILL

So... Barbossa is Snape? Meh, I don't agree with that, because Snape isn't really bad. :(
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