293,027,500+ as of this month.

Tracer, we know there are tax returns, but those aren't until after his tuition fees are due.

Other than those two bits of nitpicking, I'm somewhere in between, so I'll just step aside and allow the extremes to continue.

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Tax return don't mean you get your taxes back. They mean you get the extra you paind them back. Also, a 1/3 of the stuff or money you gave to chairities.

Tracer, your going to have to do better than that. ******, it's all in the concept of if you don't have the money you don't do it. I wan't my own personal space shuttle, but I haven't got the money, so I ain't complianing. Bill gates does not owe me a space shuttle because I want to have one. Rich people do not owe people famlies just cause they want it. That's life.

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EDIT: Oh great now I learn I can't delete posts. NT

[This message has been edited by Obi_Kwiet (edited June 30, 2004).]

It all depends on what tax bracket you're in. Making only $7000 a year, you will see all of your income tax withholdings come back to you. The social security will not.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Yeah. I mow lawns, and don't know how much I could make a year, but since I'm 14 I doubt they could tax it. Since it's no buisness, I just ring people door bells, I don't think they could tax it any way.

If you make less than about 2000 dollars a year (I think thats the number, I could be wrong) then you dont have to pay the majority of the taxes that are usually taken out of paychecks. There's a spot on your W-2 form where you just write "EXEMPT" and they dont take out the money.

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Poverty does not beget poverty. How does it? Comon man, think about that. How does poverty beget poverty. What factors/actions cause a poor family to stay poor?

[edit]Now, I'm not for tax exemption, just generous cuts on leaky social programs. Now, poor people can accumulate money, but there is the whole "rich getting richer" deal. So redistro of wealth is needed. Throwing money at idiots and saying they will fix themselves isn't.

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why should wealth be redistributed evenly? That isn't how life works. Like I keep on saying, if someone made themselvwes rich, they should not have to support a bunch of poor people. That's not why people strive to get ahead.

You people keep talking about the advancement of society, but how does setting up a socialistic wealth distribution system help society? It just makes everyone equally poor.
As it is now, the rich pay the most taxes, so the argument can be made that they are the most valuable to the advancement of society. How to the poor contribute to the so-called common good?



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why should wealth be redistributed evenly? That isn't how life works. Like I keep on saying, if someone made themselvwes rich, they should not have to support a bunch of poor people. That's not why people strive to get ahead.

You people keep talking about the advancement of society, but how does setting up a socialistic wealth distribution system help society? It just makes everyone equally poor.
As it is now, the rich pay the most taxes, so the argument can be made that they are the most valuable to the advancement of society. How to the poor contribute to the so-called common good?



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The University of North Carolina has finally found a network server that, although missing for four years, hasn't missed a packet in all that time. Try as they might, university administrators couldn't find the server. Working with Novell Inc., IT workers tracked it down by meticulously following cable until they literally ran into a wall. The server had been mistakenly sealed behind drywall by maintenance workers.

you are taking that quote out of context. you knew very well that I ment give the schools more funding.

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Dude, what makes you think you can change his mind about anything he says. His first post started a giant debate. give up on even taking notice of his posts. just pretend that they aren't there.

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I dont think anyone wants it evenly distrubute, just so there is such a large difference..or something

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didn't read the whole post and assumed he was bashing rich people.

(wouldn't surprise me if he was)
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What I want to do: The lower the tax brackets you are in, the higher priority you have for tax returns. So it would be possible to get everything you paid in federal taxes back. The burden of paying for everything this country has to do is put on those in the highest tax brackets. And of course this isn't fair. But I'd rather see that money go to the single mother who works two jobs than the rich CEO. It would be wrong of the government to do such a thing, but I'd be willing to live with doing a wrong thing like that as long as it meant someone who actually needed it got the money. Another way I could defend this plan is I would simply state that as soon as the money is taken from the paycheck it ceases to be that person's money and is now the government's and it can do whatever it wants with it. Thus is the cost of living in America. Which isn't much.

I'm still not sure what to do with the middle-class though.

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In australia, you would have to say, "go out and vote, or shut the **** and go out and vote anyway".

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Those silly bullets have minds of their own!
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This thread reminds me of the people of the "Old World" in Terry Goodkind's "The Sword of Truth" series.

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Something like 5% of the people in america control 80% of the money. Think about that when you start argueing for the rich.

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It gets even better when you consider that there's as large of a range between the wealth of the top 1% of the United States and the other 99% as there is between the top 1% and the other 99% of that top 1%.

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Roach - Caught in the war of hemispheres.
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Fair enough. Please accept my apology. Such a system would be hard to implement, sure, but it's an admirable enough goal. As long as the things that really need the money currently still get it (education, hospitals) and you can opt to put, say, your contribution to the military or anti-drug campaigns to something more worthwhile instead.

People are not born equal nor do they have equality of opportunity.
Working your way up from poverty is very hard. Having ability or intelligence is irrelevant to your class.

Firstly, those born into a poor family are certain to go to a state school. That isn't really a problem in Britain, vast majority of people go to state schools, but from what I've heard American state schools are generally quite bad? It must be better than homeschooling, though. Private schools will be better, though (well not necessarily...).

Secondly, they won't be able to afford extra-curricular activities, like school visits and things. Also they won't be able afford books.

Thirdly, their parents are likely to be less educated, so they won't be able to help them with homework or give additional education. Psychology students might jump in and say something about parent rolemodels here?

Fourthly, their parents are less likely to know the teachers personally. Middle class students' parents are likely to go to the same social events as the teachers and know them personally, which would affect how the teacher educates the children.

Fifthly, they are likely to have a much worse diet, not affording fresh fruit and thatwhat, leaving them less able to concentrate and more susceptible to disease that would leave them with time off school.

There are lots of things that you take for granted. There's the internet for one. These are all advantages all the cultural capital that you have that they don't and will all affect their educational achievement.

If all the poor people just disappeared, what would happen to society? Think about it...

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"Last I checked, over a million people in the USA were in federal jails. Something tells me the police you pay for are doing a good job. And from watching the daily news, I think you maybe need more."
Exactly! Except most of those inmates are not violent in any way, and are simply in there for drugs. The Drug war is a huge waste of our tax money. Do you realize how much it costs for each inmate to stay in prison!?? People should only be put in prison for crimes that cause a danger to other people, or for robbery etc. White collar crimes should be fined heavily and drug users should be sent to rehab until they are clean, which costs alot less then puttin them in jail for years.

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If only people knew economics. Where is Spork when you need him?

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"This thread is still alive? Someone should kill it."

eh, white collar criminals are just as criminal as rapists and murderers..

Where the heck is this thread going?

Over there.

Pagewizard and osiris! The great demon crappin cow commends you on your selfishness and shortsightedness. Join me in my quest to exterminate all poor and underpriveledged people and remove taxes and the government! Anarchy rules RARGH!

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JOIN ME I SAY!

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[This message has been edited by POA_CraPPinCoW (edited July 01, 2004).]

Do not mock or insult someone because of their political opinion. They have the right to that opinion just as much as you do.

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Massassi: We don't debate. We *****.

Then you should be thrilled when (if... hopefully not) Kerry repeals all of Bush's tax cuts.



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FOOL ILL EAT YOUR SOUL!

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Okiedok. Admins, do your stuff. *L0x0rd*

And I have a right to respond to them in any way I want. It's called Freedom Of Speech. Just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean it's infallible.

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