For those of you that haven't seen the news on it, a guy went nuts in Salt Lake City earlier this week and started gunning down people in Trolley Square with a shotgun and pistol. He killed several people, injured more, but was held at bay by an un-uniformed and off duty cop until more police arrived and the shooter was killed. Turned out the shooter was 18 years old and was a muslim refugee from Bosnia.

Now read this.

These people should do the honorable thing and bite a bullet. It pisses me off to no end how people are calling this Jihad and an act of islamic terrorism(ie Limbaugh and Launsbery(sp?) ). They persist even though the FBI has confirmed it had nothing to do with his religion. The people that continue to harp on his religion, as they oh so slyly skirt around the fact that he wasn't even a PRACTICING MUSLIM, are some of the most worthless human beings I've ever seen or heard of. The pure unadulterated hate and bigotry is disgusting. When did it become acceptable?

One more example why I don't give a **** about the people in this country. I did at one time, but I really don't anymore. I know there are good people in this country. But when you get barraged by crap like this for years, it's hard to keep your idealism about the country.

I don't see the problem with pointing out that the shooter was muslim. Whether he was practicing or not the upbringing could have resulted in the mental derangement necessary to create a person evil enough to commit such an act. And the fact that his religion is so under-reported in the mainstream press is the primary reason alternative media points the fact out.

Pointing out his religion is one thing. Saying it was the cause of his behavior is something totally different. And it wasn't covered up. It was one of the very first things we were told about this guy after his name was given. As soon as his name was given out, people were asking "Hey, isn't his first name an Islamic name?"

welcome to american media. if the media can make a big deal out of something stupid and play on the fear of the ignorant american public, you know darn well they'll do it.

I didn't say it was covered up. Just under-reported. And while people are questioning possible motives, the mainstream press doesn't want to entertain the idea that religion could be a motive. I don't believe the guy is a terrorist in the conventional use of the word. And I didn't see anything about Limbaugh or Launsbery (whoever that is) in the link you cited. However, I did kind of half-heartedly read it so maybe I missed it.

But the supposed point of his post is that the conservative side of the alternative media is making the deal, not the "American Media", whatever that is.

It's not in this particular story. While I usually listen to Limbaugh, I've been absent from his show for a few days. However, I was listening to a download of another radio show just now, which alerted me to this story, and they were talking about other people that were jumping on this bandwagon.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021407/content/01125103.guest.html

Not only does he lie his *** off about the media covering it up(since they clearly weren't because it was such a huge topic from the get go), he makes inferences that his religion had something to do with it.

Besides, if someone reports his religion but doesn't make a big deal about it it isn't covering up. It's probably knowing better than to speculate or jump the gun on why he did it when you have no ****ing clue why instead of automatically assuming he did it because he's muslim! Because, you know, muslims do this kind of thing![/b]. Not to mention the willful ignorance of those that continue to claim it was jihad after the FBI stated it had nothing to do with his religion.

The last part of anger isn't directed at you. It's directed at these *******.

I don't care if they're conservative. That has nothing to do with them being complete bigotting jackasses. And I'm kind of annoyed that you're trying to turn this into an "anti-conservative" thread.

Yeah, and it's unconfirmed bull****. It shouldn't be able to be printed. Our media has gotten way too censored on matters of little import, like nudity and swearing, and not censored enough on matters like this.

God I hate America sometimes.

The link you cited doesn't say anything about a cover-up. I heard that segment live. He points out the obvious fact that he was a muslim from war-torn bosnia. That is under-reported, not un-reported, in the mainstream press. I still don't see the problem.

And I know you lean conservative so I know the point of the thread is not anti-conservative however you are "venting" about conservatives who are legitimately making an issue out of the history of the killer.



You hate America for it's lack of censorship, comrade?

The media is so obnoxious.

From the link....

"He was a Muslim born in Bosnia. Yeah, this is the kind of stuff the media says, "You can't put that in! It's discriminatory! Why, it's profiling! Why, you can't do that." It doesn't even rate the mention in the headline while people are still trying to figure out what happened. Oh, well." He's talking about cover up. : /
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Did I not just say I don't care if they are conservatives or not? It isn't an issue. People who keep saying "omg it was jihad because he is muslim" are *******, regardless of political affiliation.

And to be fair, I'm a Goldwater Conservative. Pseudo-Libertarian, whichever phrase you prefer.

Um, no. He's commenting on the political correctness of the reporting quite obviously. Maybe it helps that I heard it live, or just that I have good reading comprehension skills.



It doesn't matter what you just said. I was explaining it to somebody else who just came into the thread assuming that this was an "American Media" issue when in fact the comments you are referring to come from the right.



Oooo-kay.

Say goodbye to editorials if Yoshi is ever President of the United States.

Since you see fit to imply I'm stupid, I suppose I'll draw it in crayon for you.

From the excerpt, him imitating the media:
"You can't put that in! It's discriminatory!'


Covering something up is purposely not reporting something, right?

Covering something up because of "political correctness" is still covering up. That's what he's accusing them of and he's wrong. It was reported early on, they just didn't harp on it.
You were saying that I was pissed at conservatives. I stated repeatedly, it has nothing, nothing, nothing[/b] to due with the fact that they are conservative. It has everything[/b] to due with them being knee-jerk bigots. And I seriously doubt all the people who feel this shooting was a jihad based solely because he was a muslim are all conservatives.

Why do you hate conservatives so much Keiran Horn?

haha gg

Are you really allowed to say things like that, being in the military? I mean, I say stuff like that all the time but I'm not in the military.

Who cares?

AMERICANS ARE AT IT AGAIN.

JOB WELL DONE.

BURGERBOYS.

Kieran, there's nothing knee-jerk about commenting on his religion. The fact that he's muslim goes a long way to explain a possible motive and should be reported more. You also obviously don't get Limbaugh's style of commentary but you probably haven't listened to him as much as I have.

But we will not agree at all on this issue because I find it very important to point out his religion while you find it bigoted. No big deal just a fundamental difference of opinion. And I don't think you're stupid. You're just taking his commentary too literally.

Edit:

Actually, my viewpoint has been swayed! He must have been a Muslim, because he certainly wasn't black, because he didn't steal anything, and everyone knows that he can't be Mexican, because Mexicans are too lazy to go on rampages!

When white people do something bad, it's a crime.

When any middle easterner commits a crime, it's terrorism.

Duh.

You know what? You're absolutely right.

By this logic, the fact that you're a Christian goes a long way to explain your zealous xenophobia, racism and bigotry. But it's okay, Wookie06. Nobody's blaming you. It's not your fault you were raised that way.

Umm, okay.

Actually, I take that back. Saying you are a zealous, xenophobic, racist bigot because you are Christian would be a stupid thing to say and claiming that Christianity made you into white trash should make me a stupid person.

Haha, wouldn't want to fall into that trap.

What you're saying is not analogous as Christianity isn't a violent religion by nature.

You're correct that Christianity isn't a violent religion by nature, but it certainly is analogous.

lolololololcrusades

That's the best you can point out, an ancient event? And wasn't a big part of the crusades against muslims? Seems like it was partly justified. Burning witches was bad, though. Good thing that isn't going on anymore.

Hahahaha, sure it isn't.

instead of witches they call them "Abortion doctors" and "gays"

For a modern example? Well, there may not be any all-out wars, but I can assure you that Muslims (and I'm talking about the non-militant ones) have to put up with all kinds of bigotry and abuse of personal rights from Americans (in particular Christian conservatives) because of a stereotype that only applies to less than 1% of their religion.

Ragheads and terrists more like.

Edit: Wookie07 is like a modern version of a lynch mob. Only instead of a black guy it's a white guy who worships the same god differently*. And instead of a mob it's an internet toolshed. And instead of lynching, it's stupid words that sound stupid and make me feel stupid for reading them.

(*Muslim from Bosnia)

Discrimination happens to all sorts of people all over the world so it really isn't surprising that muslims are discriminated against. Even those who don't so rigidly adhere to the violent principles of their religion.



Homophobia can hardly be attributed to Christianity. Most Christians understand that homosexuals are misguided or ill. And while I don't condone the killing of abortion doctors I can certainly understand why deranged people might take such an action to defend the countless people the doctor will murder. Just like I understand why muslims kill infidels.

bosnia is in europe

Correct, it is attributed to flippant bigotry and extreme stupidity.

Most Christians think that would be a stupid thing to say and they think you are a stupid person for saying it.

Most Christians think that is a stupid thing to say and they think you are a stupid person for saying it.

Most Muslims don't kill infidels and most Christians think you are a stupid person for saying this.

Islam isn't a violent religion by "nature," either. Heck, the root of the word Islam means "peace."

Yeah Vin, it's in the Balkans.

Wookie06 just doesn't understand. You see, apart from his glorious and holy quests to kill the murderous ravenous horde of evil muslims he's never been outside of his one-horse hick town full of KKK members. But it's okay, it's not his fault he was raised this way.

You see, Wookie06: most Christians do not live in the Bible Belt, they do not clap at church or believe their priest has magical healing powers. Most Christians live in fancy places like Africa, Europe and even Canada. Most Christians in the world don't believe what racist homophobic drug-addicted fat old white evangelicals believe, because most Christians in the world are not stupid, fat old drug-addicted white evangelicals.

I understand why you might have been confused on this matter. I hope I have corrected your misconception.

On a rather off-topic note:

Tombfyre, I learned something really interesting today. I saw your quote "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." was attributed to Evelyn Hall and thought "well that's not right, it was Voltaire." went to look it up and found the quote had been misattributed to Voltaire over 70 years ago in Reader's Digest. Wow! I'll have to keep that in mind the next time someone gives that quote.