The Bible is much more than a historical account.

1. the Old Testament: The creation, fall, and hopeless condition of man and the righteousness of God (The law) revealed

2. The New Testament: Fulfillment of the law's requirements through Christ, All the authority of God being deferred to Christ, and the salvation of man through Christ alone, resulting in freedom from the law/ justification by grace through faith.

Christians do not recognize Muhammad at all since the work of Christ is the ultimate culmination of God's plan across the old and new testaments. As such, any further revelation would violate and be inconsistent with everything that came before it, meaning that it could not be from God.

They had other loopholes, such as living by a set of their own traditional rules that they were actually able to keep rather than abiding by the entire law. Ultimately, this accomplished nothing, so the new covenant went forward just as God intended it would.

That's not what I meant.

...that doesn't mean "Allah" doesn't equate the exact same being as what you call "God." That would be like Jews saying what you call "God" isn't the same thing they call "God" just because you interpret things in your biblical history differently than them.

Wow. So the dude planned for inconsistent and poorly translated texts to be brought together and complete a plan that contradicted what the texts originally said.

That makes SO Much sense.

why is this thread still going?

This **** hurts my head it's so stupid.

I can easily see that they are different entities, just by comparing the aspects of my God with the aspects of the Muslim god Allah.

1. There is no aspect of the Trinity in Islam, whereas Christians believe that God has three specific aspects: The Father, The Son (Christ) and the Holy Spirit. The Bible effectively describes all three members of the Trinity as "God".

2. There is no Muslim equivalent of Christ, who Christians are justified through.

So are you a polytheistic offshoot of Judaism or a Hellenistic mystery cult?

This should have been hijacked into a Weird Al thread from the very start.

I have yet to see ANYONE from any FAITH prove this without showing a very far fetched interpretation of the scriptures and/or with out taking scriptures out of context.

prove?

You don't know much about Christianity, then.

Remind you of anyone else?

You would then have to discount what occurred during the baptism of Jesus. (Matthew 3:16-17)

Also, there are times where all 3 members of the Trinity are referenced together: 2 Corinthians 13:14, Matthew 28:19




Neither.

Although Christianity does have its roots in Judiasm (that's where the law comes from) it is separate since it preaches grace through Christ rather than adherence to the law.

The doctrine that I hold to is what is described in the gospels and the various writings of the apostles, and closely parallel what was taught to the early church by Paul, John, James, and Peter.

I suppose you could call me a staunch Five-Point Calvinist and be correct, although that is only because the teachings of Calvin are very close to what is taught in Scripture, where all of my authority to teach is derived from.

Thats a far fetched interpretation. Nowhere in those scriptures does it say that all the three are equal or the same thing. You have anything stronger than that?

Lie.

This is Christianity's problem. Both Gold and Page say the other is wrong. You're saying the other one is WRONG. You believe ultimately (sort of) the same thing, and yet you're arguing. How can you both go to the same thing, believe in the same God, if you're bickering over this? And you can't BOTH be right. This is proof of what's wrong with "religious epiphanies" and the like. You both go to churches that think they're being led by people who have had them, and they contradict each other.

The sheer stupidity in this thread is making me dumber by the second and I have math homework to finish.

How the heck do you people have time to go at this so much!

Zhloc, Oy, go finish it 'n' quitcher bickerin', eh?

No worries opus, it's done now and I can lose my brain cells for the night.

Zloc, I don't understand why you find it so hard to deal with the fact that different Christian sects believe different things. They're different, albeit related, religions, just like Mandarin and Cantonese are different but related languages (no matter how often people claim them to be 'dialects of Chinese').

Page, not all Christians believe in the Trinity (as Gold nicely proves). So do they not worship the same god as you, or simply have different (from your perspective 'wrong') beliefs about its nature?
From the standpoint of someone outside religion, it's not a meaningful question. If you can't start by positing the existence of a god, how can one claim to believe in the same god as someone else unless they agree in every detail about its properties. The most one can say is that A thinks that she believes in the same god as B. Muslims, Unitarians, Mormons, and so on all believe that they worship the same God as the Lutherans, but the Luthies may not reciprocate that belief. There's no farther you can go in this discussion without bringing in your personal beliefs.

oh..... i see what you did there...



i have some ether if you care for a whiff?

Because they all consider themselves RIGHT and others WRONG. Catholics are guilty of it too, I'm not saying my church is better than all the others. They spend their time *****ing about other churches and how we're different and right.

No one is willing to accept other people having different opinions, and they all consider themselves right. Which is fine that they consider themselves right so long as they don't think everyone else is "wrong".

Calvinist huh?


Isn't that where no matter what you probably aren't going to heaven, because God is a ******* and chooses ahead of time regardless of how you act?

There is 1 True Almighty GOD.

Therefore there should only be ONE point of view for every aspect in religion. The points of view and examples that are historically recorded as well as biblically, set down by Jesus, his disciples and the first century Christians should be the same ones of TODAY.

Thats my issue with a LOT of religions. They try to reinvent religion, add or take away beliefs (ex. the local catholic churches now want homosexuals to return, saying that God will accept them as they are, and there is no problem).
God has not changed, why should we? Did not the disciples remain faithful under much tribulation, humiliation, persecution, even in the face of their own deaths(Paul is a great example of this)? Is that not the example we ourselves should follow? Should we ourselves change or twist our beliefs to what is mainstream, popular or convenient to ourselves? Does God not, one way or another, seek what is in our best interests?

According to the Bible, God is the biggest dick in the history of the universe. So, no.

He pretty much gave you the 1 day off thing, thousands of years ago:
But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.

Gives you a commandment thats good advice:
Honour your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

Protects you and others:
You shall not murder.

Protects the feelings of others:
You shall not commit adultery.

Protects the interests and poses ions of others:
You shall not steal.

I could go on and on...

Not all of the laws/rules make sense though. Homosexuality and masturbation and such dont hurt other people at all.

I could probably argue those, but I'll give you a better reason:

God created us. He made our bodies with purposes. Masturbation and homosexuality were not part of them. God made us to "inhabit the earth", and "subdue it". We are not here to masturbate or for homosexuality.

We're also not here to play or create video games, for example. What are your thoughts on that?

Those reasons suck. Give me a reason as to how they negatively effect anyone.

Then we aren't here to do anything but dedicate our lives to God. This includes trying to make crappy MMORPGs.

Are you excluding the part where he killed over two million people?

Are you excluding his reasons? The cause and the over all justice?

Killing the innocent first borns of Egypt? Surely an omnipotent being can come up with a more clever punishment than that.

Also waiting for an answer to this.

If you are a true Christian, your entire life should be dedicated to nothing other than God. Nothing. For if you receive eternal paradise upon salvation, then your pathetic 70 years in this world are meaningless by comparison.

Speaking as a Calvinist, I can tell you that that is the last you would ever want to tell a Calvinist in person because you would get a long boring monologue that would last for hours just to make sure the point got firmly across. But you're rob, and don't really care anyway.