honestly, what the hell is wrong with black culture? i'm talking about the anti-social, degenerating behavior that they seem to pride themselves on, and their ****ed up priorities (sports, fashion, "acting tough" over self-respect, self-improvement, education). racial profiling occurs because statistics tells us that it's more likely that a black person committed the crime. it's common sense. if i see a black person walking down the street at 2 am, damn right i'm going to be on guard because all the crimes committed around here were by black people. in general, it seems black people do poorly in many areas of society including education, wealth, crime, etc. what was the reason for this again?

sorry, im not racist, but after some teaching experiences down in poor southside chicago where it's predominantly black and crime-ridden, it just seems like nothing is being passed down from generation after generation, like some sort of sick self-destructive cycle.

*******s come in all shapes, sizes and colors.

You might not want to admit it, but you are a racist.

yeah, probably. aren't we all?

Guess what? They also get harsher punishment than whites for the same crime because of racists such as yourself.

You know what? I hate *******s like you that take into general stereotypes (although it may be proven statistically larger). Seriously, **** you. If you don't like some culture and know what you may say may be offensive, shut the **** up and go say your **** somewhere else.

He is not a racist unless he looks at a white person that acts the same way and says it okay, then looks at an educated, motivated black person and says he is trash.

There is a difference between racism and responding to demographics. Although, I imagine that you professional sociologists are also heavily invested in racism research and ponder race relations before going to sleep.

They get punished more than white people for the same crime because of racism. You call him a racist, but you do not actually know.

I agree with one aspect of what you have said. It seems far too typical that many blacks age 18-30 or so seem really obsessed with sports, fashion, and acting like some kind of a thug.

It just doesn't seem like the culture itself is doing anything to improve any of the problems plaguing black society. It's alright to be poorly educated and it seems to be encouraged to act like a dick toward white people.

The funny thing is, I've heard more complaints from middle aged blacks than anyone else about this.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that neither I, nor anyone else should pigeon-hole blacks on this. It's every ethnicity. All ethnicities do it, but the majority is black. Most members of any kind of food service industry end up feeling this way unfortunately. You can only take so much being treated like a dick by thug wannabes, whether they be black, white, asian, hispanic... Doesn't matter.

so i apply statistical conclusions to black people in general, and that makes me racist? it's more like common sense. i'm not saying that black people are intrinsically inferior in some way, but you cant deny that there is a great disparity between how black people perform in society and how others do. i'm looking for an external factor here.

Not that I know what I'm talking about beyond casual observation, but it seems like due to how black people, as a result of racism, started with nothing in this country, they became a large portion of the country's poor. And, of course, poor people have a hard time advancing in society and generally seem to remain poor. I think that cycle applied to primarily one racial group which in the past and currently has had a hard time created a sort of defensive sense of solidarity and a desire to be respected, but a definite lack of the means to do so. So...it kind of sucks. It's not a black thing, though, that's just silly and racist. It's just crappy cycle relating to poverty...ALL poverty, but more so within the black community due to the proportions and how they got there. I dunno...

That is only one example of racism, though. There are more. For example, claiming all blacks engage in degenerate behavior and that none of them want to improve themselves. Which is what he did.

um... i'm talking about crimes committed, not about the harshness of punishments. everyone knows that black people get punished more severely, but we also know that they commit more crimes.

Well, they're related, obviously. Who gives a flying **** about how many crimes they commit if they aren't sentenced fairly? That's probably part of the problem.

You are correct. My mistake.

However, it is important to note that he is not the most disgusting type of racist. He is of the kind that are racist only because they simplify the situation.

this is the kind of attitude that keeps the status quo. what the hell is wrong with you people? stereotypes are a natural, logical response to an experience or repeated event. it's how the milk snake can get away with ****, because they look exactly like coral snakes.

I don't see any good from this thread.

not claiming all. i'm generalizing, claiming it's the behavior of many. it's what you do with statistics. of course there are a lot of black people out there who are fine, but there are also a lot of people out there that deal drugs, steal, murder, rape, etc. in fact, so much that it's BECOME a stereotype.

No, it's a great thread. Don't go trying to get it locked or something stupid. This could be very informative.

Okay, then prove it.

Actually the stripe pattern of the milk snake does not include yellow. Your point is seen, even though it's not a good one at all.

this man understands.

Nah, didn't mean it that way. Hopefully it won't turn into a pointless flamewar.

I think statistics would prove that tons of poor people, REGARDLESS OF COMPLEXION, are angry and unwilling to join a society they feel has shafted them.


But hey I'm just saying, when was the last time you saw a black serial killer?

yeah, you got me, i was being lazy, and i had to reply to about 3 other people. at least the point got across.

huh? because they "feel shafted", they act like this? seems like a vicious cycle.

Look, I'm sorry your teaching experiences in Chicago did not go well, but you can't use them to generalize an entire race. I'm still waiting for valid proof of your claims.

the number of crimes they commit says a lot, actually. unfair sentencing increases black people's resentment towards society, which i guess might have something to do with how some black people behave, but im not sure if it causes them to commit MORE crimes.

You've probably never been poor.

It's easy to see why you might have your head in your ***.

It is, that's the point.

I think the reason why someone might construe what you're saying as racist is in the way you say it. "Black Culture" isn't any more at fault for producing young egotistical black men than "White Culture" is responsible for robhole college "bros." Our society as a whole perpetuates negative stereotypes to the point that they are no longer the stereotype, but the expectation. As soon as a stereotype becomes an expectation by the society, then it'll become a norm.

Instead of asking yourself "what is wrong with black culture?" ask yourself how you can help the society undo the expectations we've placed on many members of society. The thug that you hate so much has, almost certainly, been put down and disrespected at one time or another because of his race. Combine that with the expectations of the culture, the influence of popular culture (Rap music is not a product of black culture, but is instead an opportunistic selling point), and the ability to demand respect out of agression and fear, and you've got an angry young black society ready to earn their place that others are simply born into.

There's more going on here than "black culture," and I suggest you watch who you start pointing fingers at. Also, don't ever teach another day of your life.

teaching experience went really well actually, but the kids were ****ing devils. honestly, if you were there, you wouldve wanted to drink every night.

as for the statistics, did you ask me to retrieve them to waste my time? everyone knows these...

keep in mind the pop percentage
white - 69.1%
black - 12.1%

household income
white - $48977
black - lowest, $30134

unemployment rate
white - 3.9%
black - highest, 8.5%

rape, sex-based crime
white - highest, 56%
black - 42%

homicide
white - 46%
black - highest, 52%

dont need to source. it's all right there in the census.gov

A) I don't see anything peculiar about those statistics.

B) They say nothing about the claims you made except the one about wealth.

Where's your proof that shows MOST BLACKS engage in degenerate behavior?

Where's your proof that shows MOST BLACKS do not want to improve themselves or don't have any self-worth?

Where's your proof that shows MOST BLACKS do not get an education (and what does that mean exactly)?

Where's your proof that shows MOST BLACKS do not do well in society (and what does that mean exactly)?

Those are the claims you made that you have not provided arguments for.



Also, you said that blacks do not make as much money as whites and implied that that means they don't do well in society. Please explain.

Wow, black people like to commit a lot of crimes. Why don't they stop stealing things and get jobs? I mean, every one of them goes to an amazing American public school and has every opportunity to succeed. I don't know why every black person doesn't have a job considering their parents could buy them a car at age 16. They should just go to college so they can afford TVs.

hmm. also, thanks for adding that "dont teach anymore" quip at the end. i wont unless its at a university when im 60+, which is good for all parties involved but moreso for me. i actually plan on making a living.

haha, are you ****ing blind? a race that comprises of only a tenth of the nation is responsible for half the crimes committed. thats not something to ignore.

Wait, what? The expectations of black culture is to steal and shoot people. You're living proof. This fact doesn't support your argument, but instead reveals that you're a major part of the problem.

And you probably shouldn't even teach university level. A black student wearing slacks and a backwards cap is going to walk into your classroom and you're going to hand him your wallet.

The statistics don't prove anything about your claims.

Do MOST BLACKS commit homicides? You can't tell from your statistics because the number of total homicides is not listed.

so you're saying they commit crimes because they are poor. okay, makes sense. they also cant become "unpoor" because they are too poor to live in a decent school district, let alone pay for college. the good ol american pipe dream.

you know, if only they werent buying $500 nike shoes or their parents instilled some sense of meritocracy into them.:v:

Your argument basically boils down to the fact that you taught a class of inner city black Chicago kids, they disrespected you, a young white teacher, and wear expensive clothing?

You don't understand the issues here at all.

I mean, what are you trying to say? Black people need to stop being poor? Rich black people need to stop looking rich? Black people need to make you feel more comfortable?

hahaha. a black person at a university??? no way.

seriously though, how am i the problem again? when i meet a black person in a normal setting, during a job, class, whatever, i'm not going to have any prejudices towards that individual. the ONLY time i will ever stereotype a black person is in a suspicious situation.

Suspicious indeed. You set an expectation for the culture that includes disrespect, flashy outfits, and thievery. I won't argue that these aren't trends in black male youth, but I will argue that the responsibility for these trends doesn't lay in the black culture. It's in history, society, and expectations from within and outside of the black community. You can call people out for their individual acts, but to burden an entire race's culture with the sad situations of their caricatures is never going to insight change.