Who would win?

RULES:
Timeframe: Original Triliogy era versus Picard era.
Alliances: Let us assume that everyone in each universe is smart enough to band together and ally and not continue fighting amongst themselves. So each univerise has all of their advantages at their disposal.
Universal Boundary: Lets assume that the universes border each other, as opposed to some sort of singular "rift" that allows transportation between the two.

Other than that... unless there are more suggestions for rules/parameters..

GO.

Star Wars.

Its cooler.

Star Wars have evil people with fiery eyes.

Technically Star Trek would win because of Q. Otherwise, Star Wars.

I suppose you could argue that the Force is more powerful than what Q are capable of, but Q seem to be able to do things much faster.

Star Wars technology seems to be quite a bit more powerful at first glance, but once the Borg get a hold of any of it all bets are off.

Of course the Death Star II could just go around one-shotting Borg cubes and they'd never have any time to adapt.

Uhhh yes they would?

First- I don't know what the firing rate of the Death Star II was, but I imagine it's pretty slow considering they only used it once in RotJ, when there were quite a few capital ships in the area it could take down.

Second, borg do not need to survive in order to adapt. Phasers kill three or four borg, and then ALL THE REST who are still alive adapt. So only a few cubes would need to be destroyed before the adaptive technologies work.

That assumes, of course, that phasers and (superultramega)turbolasers work the same way. I do not recall precisely how phasers work, but it's based on an energy discharge of some type. Turbolasers are compressed Tibanna gas. I don't know if the death star lasers works the same way though.

I would say star wars simly because it seems to ignore reality and consistency far more often than trek.

Oh god the trekkies invaded fast

Keep in mind they were probably already hovering because of the trek teaser thread.

Star wars is the greatest thing EVER!!!!!!

Star trek = gay sauce

I mean really, good and dark jedi togather, like, WTF!?! Star trek would get molested like an 8 year old alter boy.

The Second Death Star fires upon multiple capital ships. Yes, it can't do rapid-fire blasts or anything, but the cooldown time before it can do another superlaser isn't terribly long.

Star Trek would just make up some nonsense BS about radiating the tetryon disruptor off the deflector dish into the hyperdrive subcore changing the makeup of quantum spacetime to alter the doublepast to fight in a cowboy galaxy.

They'd win because the writers would just make it so.

Star wars cause lightsabers are wayyy cooler than phasers

Star Trek, because the Borg would just assimilate all storm troopers and Jedi. Star Wars wouldn't last very long when everyone gets assimilated.

SW because ICS is canon thus SW horribly outguns and outmaneuvers Trek at every turn as well as having JESUS H CHRIST VASTLY superior industrial capacity. Even if they were on the same actual tech level the average SW warship still sports way more guns and mass than most Trek "warships".

There's also the fact that SW has actual soldiers with actual guns (That have actual sights), grenades, uniforms, body armor, and vehicles while Trek has PJ wearing security forces with all the tactical competency of a Liberian militia and a laser flinging remote control.



IIRC, they don't. Phasers are NDF weapons I think and turbolasers are some sort of particle beam weapon with lots of KE...or some kind of plasma weapon...I don't think there's ever been any credible canon word on it really... In any case I imagine it would be a bit hard to "adapt" to massively ZOMGWTF superior firepower. We're talking about basically instant death for all involved parties.

I'M CODY COKER.

JEDI BORG WINS.

Good work.

I can only take this argument with snippets of how I think writers would actually tackle it, "canon" or not:

• The Federation would initially be vastly over-powered by the Empire. The Empire is clearly made out to be a behemoth force in numbers, firepower, etc. whereas the Federation dedicates more of their efforts to diplomacy and sciences not developed specifically for military purposes -- efforts that would be useless against the Empire. They would, however, eventually succeed, through techno-babble, diplomacy with the Rebellion, and by virtue of being the "good guys" who win in both the SW and ST universes.
• The Borg would be on a more even playing field with the Empire, if not in firepower than by their sheer numbers. Even if the Empire's firepower isn't "adaptable" for the Borg to be immune to, all it would take is ONE Empire soldier, one Empire ship to be assimilated, and the Borg would start to turn the tide. The Borg are depicted as future-cybernetic zombies, and ANY zombie story involves the zombies eventually over-taking (which is why the end of the Voyager series is pretty crap in that regards.
• Any Force user would play as a trump card for the Star Wars universe. Even with the prequels taking away the mythical aspect of the Force, Star Trek techno-babble would probably not be able to control it, and the Borg would not be able to adapt or use the Force themselves, as it likely involves the use of individuality and imagination that the Borg do not seem to share.
• The Q or similar omnipotent forces have never really bother to involve themselves in "mortal" affairs as such in ST, so there's no reason they would change if SW were involved. Q would probably just make quips and Picard would accuse him of playing another one of his games.
• Transporters. Even if SW shields proved too powerful, transporter technology would still make the ST universe far more flexible in their tactics.

It always amazes me how consistently Star Trek writers fail to use transporters as weapons.

I agree. I seem to remember seeing only one episode (a DS9 one) where some assassin used transporter tech to shoot someone with a transported bullet or something... I forget the details now, but I thought it sounded cool.

Spaceman Spiff would single-handedly defeat everyone.

Oh yeah I remember that.

This debate is stupid and can never be resolved. All I want is to see a Wookiee fight a Klingon.

I think it's because they're so freaking effective, it would make it too easy.

Also,


This.

Yeah, that's a good episode. Just watched a couple days ago.

Shields put a slight hamper on that as a tactic.

Exactaly. However, in one DS9 episode and in the third movie they use the transporter to switch the entire crew from one ship to another. then they blow up the other ship.

Comparing Star Trek and Star Wars like comparing Apples and Oranges. One is a nerd's dream of the future, the other is a fantasy with a sci-fi twist.

Yeah its really super unfair to compare the two without adding a whole bunch more restrictions. So much more technology/diversity was displayed in Star Trek because the series ran 7 years. So without like a dozen more restrictions, I would have to vote for Star Trek.

Some examples:
-Star Trek has Time Travel. (Granted the Federation has policies which frown upon this.)
-Star Trek has cloaking technology including the 'Phaze Cloak'. (again frowned upon)
-Star Wars has the force, but its yeilded by a very small percentage of universe. Star Trek has entire races of people with amazing abilities- Telepathy, Telekinetics ect.

Now maybe if Star Wars cloned some Jedi, instead of bounty hunters....

Yeah but Star Wars would be more believable in those respects.

I mean come on, faster than 10 times the speed of light, slingshot'd round the sun?

No, they wouldn't.

DSI had a fixed power setting. DSII had a reconfigurable power setting. According to Darksaber, the Emperor ordered a power setting that required a 15 minute cooldown but was in vast excess of what was needed to destroy any Rebel ship.

Assuming their adaptive technologies work at all. Phasers cheat: they initiate some kind of disintegrative reaction within materials they hit; disruptors work in much the same way. Blasters punch holes and burn.

Any energy shield attuned to exactly the same frequency as a phaser will completely nullify the effect. The Borg never adapted to melee weapons. The Borg never adapted to exploding planets or solar flares. The Borg never adapted to photon torpedos, as First Contact demonstrated, and I'm pretty sure there's no way to adjust the frequency on a ball of antimatter.

Turbolasers are not compressed tibanna gas. Imperial turbolasers use tibanna gas, but its actual canonical function pegs it as something more like a capacitor or a fuel additive. Only certain types of blaster and turbolaser use it, mainly Imperial designs, and they're highly uncommon everywhere else.

Most blasters use a conventional energy cell and fire a particle beam.

Phasers are pretty close to every-day you-and-me pedestrian blasters. These are the kinds of weapons that stormtrooper armor is actually effective against, which is something they didn't really show in the movies. A tibanna gas blaster is like an incendiary round.

The clear winner would be Stargate, because humans were given the total knowledge of a race that continued its technological development past the point where they would have naturally ascended and now apparently arm their battleships with the omega cannon.

Wow...

Heh I was gonna come in and say the Stargate universe would win as well. Even if you discount the Ori or other ascended beings, Replicators > the Borg anyday.

I think it's funny how Stargate, within about 3-4 seasons, took humans from having the most primitive technology in the galaxy to being the most advanced race who ever existed. Asgard technology is better than Ancient and Ori technology.

Gay sauce? That sound like either a drug from the 50's or some really good salsa.
(also- Star Wars, Death stars)

Actually, from what I understand, blasters are a sort of plasma weapon. These use special gases that are catagorized as "blaster gases" with tibanna gas being the most powerful. Tibanna gas is used as hyperdrive coolant and blaster gas. Some blasters require refilling after so many shots, and the energy cells are pretty much batteries to power the systems. Thus why Bespin was so important, it was at least one of the leading suppliers of tibanna gas to the galaxy. Lower powered blasters and ion cannons don't use tibanna gas as their "ammunition."

This proves you win that argument, and yet it also proves that I win the war, because of the mere fact that I don't know that.

I looked it up on the wookieepedia