A quick and EXTREMELY UNLIKELY retort.

Wookiepedia is where i spend many i day that could be better spent... doing...
Something.

Phasers do not instantly kill drones. They'll still be alive for some time after the hit, and able to communicate any data to the rest of the collective.

A blast from the Death Star would completely obliterate a cube and everything in it and there would be no way for them to adapt.

Also remember that blasters in Star Wars are not the same technology as phasers or disruptors. It's not even certain if the Borg could adapt at all.

Hmm, I think I will go down the the local MMA gym, and propose that we have an octagon fight between someone in a wookie suit and Klingon makeup, and tape it.

ZOMG that could be so great...

A wookiee would obliterate a klingon...

1. Word of advice: NEVER cite [essentially] one shot examples. (Time travel) It's completely and utterly useless unless it's actually as usable as any other weapon. (As in Dr. Who's Time Lords actually make time ships and have time wars...)

2. SW has cloaking tech.

3. Mostly irrelevant, all the telekinesis in the world won't help you when spec ops infiltrate and blow up your ship/base/whatever and all the telepathy in the world, while it probably will let you know about them, won't help you get rid of them...and as I recall the Emperor can unleash planet wide force storms.

But the emperor, Although a mastermind, was really a pansy when it came to getting stuff done. Also he was impatiant (The freaking DS2 HAD A HOLE IN THE SIDE BIGGER THEN THE EXECUTOR!)and made people hate him.
I can really see the rebellion teaming up with the federation.

Borg ships have been shown, in TV episodes, to be destroyed by exploding planets as well as solar flares. These are fairly predictable phenomena with obvious causes and effects. If the Borg were able to adapt to everything regardless of technology or raw power output (a turbolaser being in the megaton range) they'd just make their ships indestructible.

I'm going to guess you are primarily a fan of Star Wars.

1) I'm not sure what you mean by 1 shot examples, The Star Trek universe has used Time Travel MANY times to save the Earth/Federation/Universe even if you are only restricting yourself to TNG. Multiple episodes + First Contact the Movie.

2) Well the Phaze Cloak is definately more than just cloaking, It puts the ship out of phaze with the rest of the universe- matter and energy pass thru it. But that is possibly an example of a 1 shot situation.

3) Yes it's possible there are some situations where massive numbers overwhelm a telepathic advantage, but I think knowing what your enemy is going to do before they do it is still huge. I never heard of Planetwide force storms, I am going to assume you are pulling this from Star Wars extended Fan Fiction/Literature. I just have to wonder if the Emperor can release Planetwide Force storms, why did he bother constructing the Death Star? Maybe because Yoda can use Planetwide Absorb?

I'm going to save my dignity now (or what's left of it) and say this debate is futile and way too geeky for me.

Star Wars has sub-par cloaking tech. Unless gains were made after the Thrawn trilogy, you could cloak, but you couldn't see anything outside of the cloak. Which Thrawn managed to use to his advantage, but I doubt few others could.

So yeah. SW has cloaking technology, but it is largely useless. ST has very effective and widespread use of cloaking technology.

Also: Tholian Web anyone? That's definitely one of the ST universes biggest weapons, in my opinion.

1. Yes, but is it actually replicatable as in "Let me punch in these coordinates..." or is it more like "Oh shi- They've gone back in time! Follow them before the rift closes or we're all doomed!" As far as I can tell ST has all the same mastery of time that SG does, that being that they don't really.

2. The word you're looking for is "Phase", and yes I believe it is a one shot.

3. I think it comes from the post EU, Dark Empire and the Clone Emperor I think. It's not really out of his league considering he manipulated the entire galaxy with the Clone Wars from his top floor office on Coruscant. If you REALLY wanted to see force power there's Exar Kun...



The SW Wiki seems to say that there are quite a few out there... Maul's ship had one, Slave I had one, etc...

In any case SW also has better sensors and crystal grav traps...

1. happydud said that everything from each universe would be joined together (which would make a horrible story, but whatever). There's lots of controllable time travel in star trek, they just were usually from other races and such. Many many episodes of all sorts of time travel.

2. The only reason the phase cloak was a "one-time shot" was because the Federation refused to endorse it, as it would break the treaty with the Romulans. It was definitely usable... a bit risky, maybe, but nothing that couldn't have been ironed out. It wasn't used because it would have been immoral in the context given.

Star Trek? No way!
Don't like those strange guys..

Well, in that case ST wins via time travel assassination of the SW galaxy before the Rakata even crawled out of their gene pool.

Even the Enterprise can't change fate.. heheh..

Uh, time travel fighting is way to difficult logically.

I imagine if the empire came up against the Borg, they would just manufacture battle droids, remote controlled star ships. They would also be using Dark Troopers, who pack rockets and high powered plasma cannons, and they can fly on top of it all.

If the Borg, or Federation were to beat the Empire and Rebellion, the Yuuzhan Vong would eventually show up and see both factions as technological abominations, thus they would attack with full force and would ultimately succeed by using biological warfare.

what about species 8472

I personaly wiped them out a while back so they arn't apart of this.

Jon`C wins this thread with his massive geekhood.

And then the wraith would come and prey on them.

Star Gate wins.

(It has time travel too, btw.)

Pffft. 40k wins...having Gods who eat hope and all...

Sorry, but Doctor Who would own the entire thing.

The ewoks would win everything.

Agreed, Case closed.

I think a more interesting argument is if the forces of both franchises teamed up.

Empire/Borg
VS
RebellionJedi/Federation

In that case, I'd have to join the evil guys.

But when the shields are down they continue to use conventional weaponry against the hull. Wouldn't it be much better to transport a bomb inside? Also, you could transport bombs right next to the enemy ship instead of firing them conventionally.

Or just transport sections of their hull out.

Like, say, the bridge.

At least we can all agree that they would all beat the Galactica. They still shoot BULLETS!

They could just have say, a hold full of angry super-bees to transport onto the bridge.
That would be AWESOME.

I agree. Stargate also has the most widespread and best cloaking tech, easily beats SW and ST.

- Smaller ships can be cloaked (Goa'uld cargo ships, "No ship that small [Falcon] has a cloaking device." etc).
- Cloaking devices are common throughout Goa'uld tech... cargo ships were originally supposed to not have them and would need to be modified, but every cargo ship seen since has had one. Al'kesh (sp?), the planetary bombers, haven't been seen using them, however they have them (just watched SG-1 8x10 Endgame today, one of 'em hangs out in Earth orbit cloaked while the Trust uses it to launch chemical attacks on the Goa'uld). Apophis has cloaked an entire Mothership fleet, although the tech wasn't seen after his fleet was destroyed.
- The Odyssey (Earth-ship) was given cloaking tech by an Ancient, but it hasn't been used since the one episode it appeared in, so it was likely temporary.
- The SGC has access to Sodan cloaking tech, which allows individuals to cloak (and as a side effect that can see and hear phase-shifted matter). The drawback is that harmful radiation needs to be emitted to repel parasites which exist wherever it is the cloak shifts you to, so it can only be safely used for extended periods by Teal'c and Jaffa etc.
- Phase-shifting tech has featured heavily in the Ori storyline (since the Ori and their followers can't affect or see anything phase-shifted). It's like a cloak but anything inside can't interact with anything outside and vise versa. Walk through walls etc.

None of the good guys in SW or ST can come close (I know nothing about SW Extended Universe). As far as official canon, ST has bad guys with cloaks, and the good guys get nothing. I think there was about one TNG episode where the good guys got to use a cloaked Klingon Bird of Prey... and of course the whole ST4, and the phase shifting TNG episode described previously.

I feel like such a nerd.

Here is my official order of like:
- Stargate
- Star Wars
- Star Trek

They're all good though!



They do that in Stargate!

It's Stargate Atlantis 2x01. Doesn't last long as the Wraith (the guys being nuked) figure out how to jam transports after they lose three ships. But I suppose the writers couldn't make it THAT easy.

Star Wars....

Ion Cannons

What about em?

They could make your new computer not so new anymore.

Then thank god i haven't pissed off any starship captains.

Star Trek technology is optical.

The Borg would invade the death star by transporting some Borg drones onboard and capturing the thing, assimilating it section by section (As in First Contact). It would kill a cube in 1 shot for sure though.

They have those in Star Gate.

Just noticed...



Source?

The Empire Strikes Back. The asteroid field sequence.