Commander, judging by that, the Federation isn't fighting Star Wars, Star Trek is.

Not to mention, neither hard hats nor stormtrooper helmets offer any sort of neck protection. Medieval helmets sat on top of gorgets, which distributed the weight of the helmet (as well as any shock dealt to it) across the shoulders.

A modern soldier wearing the most modern bullet-resistant combat helmet would experience a similar effect as the stormtroopers shown in the movie.

True, but that's not really the point I'm trying to make... The debate itself was over a couple of pages ago when we came to the conclusion that ST got time travel. Now we're basically just pointing out how horrible the curbstomp would be on every other field.

Have we even counted in Centerpoint Station, Sun Crushers, or the Galaxy Gun yet?

The only conceivable advantage Trek forces would have in a tactical engagement (IE No Act of Plot) is transporter tech which, if I'm not mistaken, is next to useless half the time due to random anomalies, shields, or something too thick...god forbid we add in the massive ECM that's been stated to be the reason why SW fighters are lacking in long range guided weapons and generally end up in close range range dogfights, bombing runs.

This is true. However, we have recently upgraded to better suspension and padding that lets me withstand repeated blows to the head with a lot less disorientation than before.

However, let's not kid ourselves, those rocks were ****ing big. Almost the size of the troopers' heads. Even that **** will **** me up.

You mean the ECM that doesn't exist? Long range encounters in Star Wars are common in both the trilogy and extended universe. X-Wings are equipped with proton torpedoes and concussion missiles for long range encounters. The reason they end up in close range dogfights is because of the ineffectiveness against shields and the cost of using them against minor targets like fighters instead of the cruisers (proton torpedoes are expensive and in limited supply in both the OT and EU). Close range bombing is done because the targeting systems ARE sophisticated enough to shoot down incoming projectiles before they reach the target and even X-Wing pilots have shot down incoming torpedoes multiple times.

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One, no, long-range encounters are not common or even shown at all in the trilogy. If you think they are shown, ever, you are watching a different movie than I am.

Second, if you go by the extended universe - that is, all of the novels and all of the video games and everything - an X-Wing needs to close to within 4 km to make a proton torpedo lock.

Let me put this into perspective for you.

If you had a line of X-Wings at maximum torpedo lock range, with the first parked in your front yard and the last sitting on the surface of the moon, you would need 100,000 X-Wings.

Meanwhile, with modern human technology, we can swat a fly off of Vladmir Putin's forehead with a bomb from 12 kilometers away. Three times the distance. Depending on how accurate you wanted to be you could also use an ICBM (range of at least 5,500 km by definition - 1375 times the range of a proton torpedo) but those make up for it by not needing to be very accurate. If Star Wars vehicles are not hampered by ECM then modern day humans would easily be able to pick off Star Wars vehicles before they even entered weapons range.

What you consider "close range" and what is actually "close range" in an astronomical scale are two completely different things. Actual space warfare is going to be fought at interplanetary distances. Everybody knows this. Except for, I guess, you. ECM and ECCM are the canon explanation for the fact that all space battles are fought at close (read: visual) ranges.

I think actual ships still have a fairly decent range and accuracy with turbloasers alone (I recall some reference to an ISD cracking open a submarine from orbit)...probably warship grade torpedoes too...but nothing really BVR in space (Which I would say is something like shooting a missile around a planet).

No they don't, either. The ISDs in Empire Strikes Back were, like, 2 kilometers away from the Falcon and never hit once. I challenge you to find one reference in the movies to a turbolaser hitting something from far away.

I've never even seen them target something from far away. In TPM the queen's ship flew straight at the droid control ship and didn't get hit once (it took damage from near misses, which also indicates to me and the internet at large that turbolasers' magnetic fields tend to spin out after a few kilometers).

The canon reference materials - the cutaways and official ship specifications - state that ISDs are outfitted with a concussion missile launcher only. We know there are anti-warship torpedoes but they have extremely limited range (10 MGLT acceleration and 30 seconds of thrust) so they can only realistically be deployed by starfighters.

The star fighter combat in the first trilogy was specifically based on WWII fighter combat. There was no long range there. The only time we see turbo lasers from capital ships actually hit anything is in RotJ when the two fleets engage at very close range.

Well a BDZ from an ISD can hit the planet surface.

I think the only long range firings we've seen in the movies were the ion cannon shots in ESB that disabled the ISDs during/after the Battle of Hoth.
And of course the Death Star laser.

Well, I wasn't specifically talking about the movies...novel references one of which I heard about (The submarine) and one I can remember (A giant rail gun on a moon at the beginning of the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy).



Venators and Acclamators had torps.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/Cmd598/captions/motivator1301653.jpg (Acclamator)
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/3/3f/Venator_Class_Star_Destroyer_CS.jpg


(Yeah, yeah. I know: OT only...)

Indeed