I think more time needs to be spent creating MMO games that can be played on consoles. Think about battlefields with 1000s of people on them. (I know there are PC games like this already) millions of items, ect ect. I think the ultimate game is one the player designs themselves... you give them the 'means' so to speak, and the player goes about it. This is why I think Oblivion was good at all. Being single player it should have sucked, but it didnt. The near unlimited paths of characters, missions of all types, and items at your disposal allowed you to be whoever you wanted in the game. I think that universe would be amazing in its own controlled MMO environment. A sort of online medieval society if you will.

Everquest, FF12, ect ect are all too unrealistic. Even Oblivion would be if it was directly ported over to a MMO... the thing needs to be 'real' but 'unreal'... if that makes sense?

Uh, don't get fooled into thinking 360 is cheaper. It's not. You get more for your money with PS3.

I can confirm.

Edit: Except no headset comes with the ps3. laaaaaaaame

Get a Wii

Sources :
GameStop
Yahoo! Answers
Wal-Mart
NewEgg

All prices in USD

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Playstation 3
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- Systems -
PS3 80GB w/game $499.99 (bold items are 80gb only)
PS3 40GB w/bluray movie $399.99

CPU: Cell Broadband Engine
GPU: RSX
Memory: 256MB XDR Main RAM and 256MB GDDR3 VRAM
HDD: 2.5" Serial ATA
Input/Output: 2 USB 2.04 USB 2.0,Memory Stick/SD/CompactFlash

Communication:

Ethernet: (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)
Bluetooth: 2.0 (EDR)
Wireless Controller Bluetooth (Up to 7)
Wireless Communication: IEEE 802.11 b/g

AV Output:

Screen Size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out - (x1/HDMI)
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x1
Digital Audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x1
Disc Drive: Blu-Ray/DVD/CD "read only"

80Gb Versions play ~1600 PS2 (out of 2800) titles AFTER a firmware update available online...
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- Costs -

Average game cost: ~$60
Controller cost (Sixaxis): ~$50
'Official' HDMI Cables: ~$25
Average Bluray movie: ~$20-$30 (depends on age)
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Xbox 360
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Systems:

X360 Arcade - ~$280
X360 Pro - ~$350
X360 Halo - ~$400
X360 Elite - ~$450

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X360 Arcade

General
Brand Microsoft
Part Number XGX-00001
Type Xbox 360 Arcade
Color White
Processor
Processor Type 3.2 GHz Triple Core IBM PowerPC
Memory/Storage
Installed RAM 512 MB GDDR3 SDRAM
Storage Capacity 256 MB
Optical Drive Type DVD-ROM 12x - Tray
Graphics
Graphic Processor ATI Xbox 360 - 256-bit - 2D/3D graphics accelerati
Video Memory 10 MB
Max. Resolution 1920 x 1080
Component Video Support Yes
Audio
Sound Output 16-bit / Surround Sound
Communication
Ethernet 10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 a/b/g
Bluetooth Yes
Input Device
Controller Wireless controller / Wired controller
Connections
USB USB 2.0 x 3
Controller Port 2
Memory Unit slot 2
AV Cable Port 1
HDMI Yes
RJ-45 1
Feature
Feature The Xbox 360 Arcade System is everything you need to hit the ground running. Plug in the console and connect the wireless controller and you're playing. Then decide what extras you add and when—it's expandable to the full Xbox 360 experience.
Package Content Wireless Controller
256MB Memory Card
Microsoft Xbox 360 Arcade includes the following 5 free arcade games:

OFFERS NO BACKWARD COMPATABILITY no headset no hdmi no hard drive

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if anyone wants to finish this for me go ahead, I have to leave work now... you get the idea of what i was trying to do.

the 360's functionality per dollar is not even comparable to what sony has to offer.

You mean, full functionality?

No, but the Pro does, which is still cheaper than the PS3. It offers a wireless controller, backwards compatibility, HDMI, headset and hard drive.

The 40GB PS3 is severely gimped, and you all seem to keep forgetting that. You have to buy the far more expensive 80GB version for the "features".

I got an idea, then I killed it.

In closing, PS3 is a bluray player, that is all. kthxbye.

If your idea of MORE FUNCTIONALITY is that you can play movies, on a GAME SYSTEM.

You suck.

Seriously.




I hate saying I own 360, I never wanted to own one. Infact, we had thread after thread here when xbox FIRST CAME OUT, dedicated to "THIS IS MADE OF FAILURE" because NO ONE thought xbox would ever really succeed.

Well it has.

Deal with it.

Nobody cares about your stupid argument, and nobody said anything about the HD-DVD drive.

Microsoft's been pushing the multimedia envelope too, a lot. Why? They've had a lot of success. I know a lot of people who use the marketplace to rent videos, tv shows, music, whatever. And I don't care if you do or not, I know a lot of others who do. Your argument is without basis and basically boils down to "Well yeah, they've both been pushing multimedia and have spent millions of dollars on the idea, but Sony's spent more millions!" Think about that for a second.

Few comments.

What I like about the XBox 360's multimedia capabilities is the media center extender functionality. It seemlessly intergrates with Media Center on many PCs to provide PVR functionality and access to media on a PC in your house. Now, it is not perfect. I can't play quicktime files or Itunes (not that I use Itunes), for example, seemlessly but I get alot more out of the PC and Xbox I already own due to this capability.

I never thought it was stupid that Xbox didn't include DVD out of the box on the first console. I appreciated the fact that the hardware was superior to PS2 and that consumers were given the option to pay the additional premium to play DVDs rather than have the cost of the feature already included in the retail price such as the PS2. I appreciate the fact that some people may not have owned a DVD player prior to buying a PS2 but they were in the minority.

Which leads me to what is probably a minority opinion. I don't appreciate the fact that the PS3 is "feature packed". I don't like having Blueray crammed down my throat. It is not required for any games at this point. Of course it is a smart marketting move but I would rather it not be included. I don't like having WI-FI built in. I would never choose wireless over wired. Give me a reliable wired connection over a possibly troublesome wireless one any day. Now Sony, in an effort to cost cut, will strip some hardware features that I did like. For example, I liked the fact that the PS3 could read SD cards as opposed to just their proprietary memory stick format. As I understand it the card reader and backwards compatibility is on the way out. I believe had Sony not made the choice to put their games in the Blueray format they could make a killing if they offered a version stripped of blueray, wireless, etc. But of course that would not fit in with their goal of pushing their new format.

I think we need some more co-op fps. I seriously can't wait for Borderlands to give me my fix of FPS/RPG goodness.

That's a terrible closing argument, I can't believe anybody cares about that

I'd rather have a co-op action RPG.

Not really...the PS2 was the premier DVD player on the market. It was actually insanely popular for that reason.


Note that nothing's crammed down your throat--obviously you don't want to buy it so you don't. Also, I'm about 99% sure that you can get wired internet on the PS3 innately too--wireless is just a feature. I could be wrong on that though.

I do agree that them stripping the goodies is lamesauce though.

My point is that the PS3 comes with features such as blueray and wireless that obviously add to the price of the console and that I consider unneccesary extras. I would rather those be optional features that I could add if I wanted, similar to the 360.

And I never remember the PS2 being considered a premier DVD player. I am sure the feature was a selling point though. I was just considerably disappointed by the performance of the hardware.

Blu Ray I could give you but wireless is dirt cheap. It's like a few cents for a wireless adapter at the production level.


Well sorry but it WAS the premier DVD player, and the most powerful console out when it was released (arguably the DC was about on par, if not better, but less popular.)

Hate to bring up a dead topic (well, still on first page...) but...

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/01/new-ps3-sku-practically-confirmed-by-gamestop/

Look for that in the upcoming future.

Yay they brought back the Dualshock!
(probably old news)

I guess they're realizing they're headed in the wrong direction...
Shame that's not all that needs fixing

Wait, how does whatever the PS3 have right now differ from the Dualshock and whats stopping everyone from using their Dualshock/Dualshock2?

I believe you need to purchase an adapter for your ps2 controllers to make it work with the PS3.

Its not that they headed the wrong directions. Its because they lost 85 million dollars over a patent dispute. They just tried to cover up with the six axis and made up bogus excuses how rumble affected the motion sensing. But to be frank, it is not surprising they brought dual shock 3 back. In fact, I dare to say that it was anticipated.

That and the whole wrong direction thing >_>