That's a bad use of a bad cliche, Tibby.

well... it is TE, after all.

I can think of a few different interpretations of the meaning of that parable but none of them apply to this situation.

TE please explain.

TE does not have an explanation. He parroted it with no understanding of where it comes from.

I figured you must have had some serious stuff going on in your life in order for such lowly things to have occurred. I don't frequent the site nearly as much as I used to but I missed your presence. I wish you the best in dealing with your problems and making right whatever transgressions might have occurred.

Good luck!

Part of the bible, guy goes, ****s up, comes back to his dad asking for forgiveness, is accepted with open arms.
Admitedly it's not the best use of it, but it's nothing to derail the entire thread over.

I can kinda see it. Only tangentially related at best, though. The prodigal son did not owe dad anything, and came back begging for a job.

Also dad missed his son, and was RELIEVED when he returned.



Actually the guy takes the money dad gives him (his inheritance), blows it all instead of using it wisely, ends up coming home in shame looking for a job as a servant, dad throws him a party and gives him presents and accepts him back completely as his son and not a servant. The son never looks for forgiveness since he never expects to get it, the dad gives it freely. That's a big part of the story.

And an important part since the guy is supposed to represent every one of us and the dad is supposed to represent God, and the money represents our gifts and talents.

Cool story bro

Another big part of the story is that you aren't supposed to be like the other brother, who's butthurt because he didn't get to party and waste his money too.

I learned something today, thanks MZZT.

He's butthurt because he's been loyal the whole time but was never given a party like the prodigal son's homecoming.

This made me laugh. Well done sir.

thanks man. I appreciate this a lot, more than I can put down on a forum post. I've had a lot of serious things goin on in my life so I honestly haven't had time for the internet, and buck's not the only one I've got to make up to.

There goes TE, polarizing the community.

Everyone has to take a turn bashing my posts, it really brings everyone together.
But this isn't about me, so let's get on with our lives.

GUYS I CAN FIX THINGS I CAN BECOME A BETTER HOOMAN BEING

On a serious note, I have to say good luck to Dj Yoshi getting his life back together. It was really tough for me to kick my addiction to booze, so I can only imagine how tough heroin must be.

Make sure you've got something equivalent to a sponsor. Close friend or family.

lol heroin. Aside from being retarded, how exactly does someone get addicted to that stuff? I can't figure out what goes through someones mind when they decide to do something so stupid, dangerous, and addictive. At least you learnt the hard way. WHODA THUNK IT EH?

You have absolutely no idea. Your entire life can become something you barely recognize in a matter of days. It only takes a couple of mistakes that anyone could make. Have a semblance of empathy.

I was making a pun. Apparently you didn't get it.

If it were anyone but Yoshi, I would have empathy. Maybe he was high all those times he was a dick, but regardless, he was a dick. A dick is a dick no matter what, mistakes or not. If you want to treat people like ****, you're going to get it back and you deserve every ounce of it you get. You can give a piece of **** human like that some empathy if you want freely, but I have to force myself to even try to feel sorry for him. To me the only thing about this situation that's a shame is the fact that he had to learn the hard way and **** over someone that trusted him in the first place.

I am going to take you as a good example. You're disabled, and most ignorant people would cast judgement just by looking at you. Yet you're an intelligent person that makes proper decisions. You don't get all down on yourself because you're disabled, but instead you try to better yourself in life because of it. You use it to your advantage. You don't go about telling people their opinion is wrong because you want to be a douche, nor do you be a dick just for the hell of it. Sure, you may occasionally have done that once or twice in your life for a laugh or two, which everyone is guilty of. Yet it is not your way of life, nor is it your actual personality. To summarize, you are generally a good person. Yoshi on the other hand, is not. You are the kind of person that if they were to make this decision, like heroin and ending up getting addicted, I would have empathy for. Someone that lives their life totally the opposite of that, like a bum basically, won't get anything from me but a laugh at their disgracefulness.

Do you know what I am saying?

I hope you **** your life up someday.

So if I start acting like a dick to you because I'm pissed off that I have cancer and only one month to live, I'm still "just a dick," right?

I don't think you're fully grasping the entirety of the situation.

No that's not what I am saying Emon. I am saying that ever since I started reading Yoshi's posts, he has ALWAYS been like that. He never had a major catalyst, and if he did he never mentioned it.

I'll use myself as an example. I was a dick on here a lot, but I had **** going on in my life as well that messed me up a bit. The difference is, once I hit adulthood I grew up and changed my ways. I used to come on here and be a little ******* just because I could, but I eventually realized that was the incorrect behaviour and changed my ways. I never treated people bad "just because I felt like it", yet Yoshi constantly attacked everyone with no cause just because he wished to start debates. I stopped this, he didn't, and he eventually ****ed over a friend because of it.

Yoshi hasn't done one single thing to change in the entire 10+ years I've been visiting this website. How many civil debates have you seen the guy participate in?

I've had family members die to drug overdoses and even my own brother committed suicide. I am very sad that it happened, but I don't feel empathy towards him for taking his own life.

What is this argument.

You people are all dicks. Massassi is a community composed of dicks of all kinds. Judging from this very thread, it's a colorful spectrum of dicks.

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You make lots of assumptions about me that are incredibly false. I struggle with my disability like anyone would. I do not have good self image a lot of the time. I have something called Cyclothymia along with an addictive personality, which means I do and have abused drugs and alcohol. I avoid responsibilities and dream big things, and when they fall through I lie and connive my way out of situations when my overwhelming moral principles are screaming for justice.

Were I in a hypomanic state for a period of time, got into a bad business deal, and then went into a stage of mania, I don't see how I would be any different than DJ Yoshi, assigning priorities that would make all of you confused. Harder drugs than I already do don't seem too unlikely a mistake either.

I don't think DJ Yoshi gets off scot-free for ripping off Buck, and I'm glad I never made some business with him a while back because of it, but I also empathize with his situation better than you can know, especially by your understanding of me.

I'm telling you: You have no right to judge him for his addiction until you've experienced something like it and you really know what it's like to hate something you've done.

To be honest, the only reason I actually helped Yoshi in the first place was that he was a very cool guy to talk to outside of Massassi. I was never one for how he acted on the forums, but through IM and talking 1 on 1, he seemed to be a very very nice person. A lot of other people who talked to him on AIM would say the same thing. I had conversed with him for many years, so I was pretty sure that I knew what I was doing was right. He was always VERY very nice to me, and I too him. Even if he was "high" during whatever, we were always on good terms. Which is why I was so surprised when **** got real.

Re:

I don't know about that Kirby. Maybe in some cases, but in the case of heroine (not just using this because of Yoshi's case, but just as a general example), you know what you are getting yourself into, and I think a little judgment can be passed. That's the reason I don't come even remotely close to things like coke, crack, heroine, meth, etc. It's pretty well documented how much they can screw up your life. Anybody who enters into that damn well knows what's up. If you are an intelligent person, and you STILL decide to engage in an activity that is very well documented to be extremely addictive and dangerous to your physical and mental health, I think that reflects poorly :/

*wiggles*

There is a difference between "forgiving" someone and "excusing" them for their actions. A lot of time, I think people have difficulty in seeing this difference, and think that forgiveness and excusing are the same thing.

Like that TPM total conversion

I'm glad you brought this up. Yoshi's actions may not be immediately forgivable, but I think they are excusable. The bottom line, from my perspective, is that Yoshi did not set out to scam buck out of 350 dollars. I think it's pretty clear that, if such were the case, there were far better ways to accomplish it.

ZING!!! Hahahahah

Jon`C probably has a bigger, funnier list.

To be clear, by scam I mean "hmm, I'm going to rip someone off today." I do not think Yoshi started out from the getgo trying to steal money from buck.

This may be semantic, but I'm far more likely to forgive him than excuse his actions.

Good luck getting back on the wagon.

I agree with Temperamental (ouch, that hurts).

Drugs are bad, mmkay?

He ****ed himself over, it's his fault. Screw him. It's not like he didn't decide to do it. Getting cancer isn't someone's fault. Getting into a car accident, having circumstances change, not your fault. Not your choice.

Doing drugs and becoming a junkie who robs his friends? Your fault. Your choice. ***hole.

****ing up your life is a choice, it's not something that just happens to you.

That's not to say we shouldn't be supportive of someone when they decide to turn their life around, but your point is stupid.

Your face is stupid.

Er, he means that Temperamental makes similar bad choices, then is forced to ask for forgiveness in the same manner.

Haha, I actually meant the opposite, that I felt his actions were forgivable but not excusable.