I'm not trying to 'rebut' you. I was poking fun at you for what you decided to respond to the thread about. Like, a little detail no one gives a crap about.

Obviously you don't think the 12 year old shouldn't of been arrested. No one does, but the fact that she did is what made it an issue. I understand fully what you're saying about her at least being disciplined, no one would argue with you there.

Now, had you stated your opinion in your first insightful post we wouldn't of been having a discussion right now.

Oh I don't know. JM thought they should have just erased it. I was pointing out this was likely not a valid option.

And if you're trying to avoid having a discussion you're in the wrong place.

I wonder if it was a first offence, or if she had graffiti'd many times and this was a scare attempt to get her to stop.

I know. I'm just saying it's a pretty lame thing to point out.



I've been coming to these forums for ten years, I don't need ya to tell me what 'place' I'm in.

And I'm not trying to avoid a discussion, I'm simply saying I'm not having a discussion on pigments, porous, non porous surfaces etc etc etc. It's pretty basic stuff that no one here needs an explanation of. Your response to my question on how difficult it is to remove dry erase marker from a non dry erase board surface was unnecessary, I was mocking you.

Even after all that time, no one likes you.

I used to take notes and doodle on my desk with dry erase markers. Never had a problem erasing it.

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Well, so much for this thread, of all the things to kill a thread I never expected dry erase markers

Just use easy off bam or maybe oxyclean. Check out the commercials at night, those products are really great! They have so many customer testimonials they must be great.

****load of hurrrrrrrrrr going on here lately

You remind me so much of one of my friends from high school.

Liar, you didn't have any friends in high school.

Did you even go to high school?!

I keed, I keed

I see what you're getting at here

How many kids draw on desks or surfaces?

How many of those kids grew up to become rapists/murderers due to those actions?


I've written on desks with a lot worse than a dry erase marker, and yes, as someone pointed out above, I too never had any issues erasing it completely from being visible. The girl should have been told not to do it again, and if she did THEN disciplined. Kids doodle, it's a friggin normal thing to do.

Next thing you know they'll be calling the cops for a kindergartner picking his or her nose.



KIDS DO THESE THINGS.

Yeah, I agree, kids shouldn't be punished right away for breaking rules or defacing property. Stop punishing them for stealing too. It's not a big deal if it's just something small. Don't bother trying to teach kids about the difference between right and wrong as long as what they're doing doesn't actually hurt anyone.

I agree, kids do these things. Adults do more severe versions of the same things kids do. The should both be punished accordingly.

School desks are not porous. Dry erase marker erases easily.

I'm glad you're able to speak intelligently about the surface characteristics of all school desks.

You're comparing STEALING to doodling.

I didn't say stop teaching them right from wrong altogether. I'm saying when someone is doing something very small like doodling on a desk, they shouldn't immediately always be punished. Sometimes people are smart enough to get a warning and heed it fully. It's not about who it does or does not hurt either. All they had to do was take the girl aside for a second, point out to her what it does to the desk (maybe you could come give an informative class lecture even Antony) and explain that if she does it again she will THEN be taken to the principal for disciplining. You don't need to just up and head straight for that option upon finding her writing her damn name on the desk.

Kids play doctor. Should they be thrown in jail for trying to have premarital sex? How about the boy for attempted rape? Maybe if the girl is a bit younger you could charge him with statutory rape even?



Are you guys seriously going to start another retarded discussion about dry erase markers and desks...

Defacing school property should be punished. Kids need to learn the difference between writing on your desk and writing on something that belongs to you. The kids that wrote all over their desks are the same kids that went through their textbooks and drew cocks on people in the pictures, and while that is admittedly hilarious, it's still wrong.

If teenage kids have sex, it's not against the law unless one of them is over 18 and the other is under. It's a stupid law, but it's still the law and if you break it you should expect to be punished. So, no, you shouldn't charge a boy with attempted rape, but if a 12 year old boy is going around feeling up the girls in his class, he should be punished.

I'm not quoting myself in some silly attempt to make you look foolish, I don't blame anybody for skipping over the posts around the section where I put this forward.

But without more detail about the story we can only make assumptions. We don't know if she even got arrested, if it was just a scare, or if it was as ridiculous as it first sounded.

But, if the media has taught us anything, it's that we can't trust the media.

I think that jumping immediately to the punishing in some cases is too extreme. Obviously if a guy is going around grabbing at girls there is a difference.

I think some degree of punishment is suitable. Like I said I don't think arresting the poor girl was the way to go at all. Give her a lunch detention or something. Make her clean all the desks in the room. Nothing too harsh, but don't just say "now that's bad, you shouldn't do it." because that doesn't accomplish anything at all.

Perhaps I should have explained myself. I didn't mean a slap on the wrist. I meant exactly what you said, because I don't really consider cleaning the desk or having to sit in a hallway for a half an hour is punishment. You made the mess, you clean it up. I was speaking more about harsher punishments like days of after school detention, suspension, etc.

Yeah, cleaning the desk isn't punishment, it's cleaning your mess. Punishment comes after.

i just dont think its right or even sensible for a 12 year old girl to get taken away in hancuffs and taken to jail for doodling something thats easily erasable.just hand out some detentions. ive gotten detentions for much less than doodles.

i couldnt agre with this more. the punishment she got was way off the board, but there should be some consequences.

Exactly. You can't just say "big deal, just erase it." If someone tags your house or keys your car, just paint over it, no big deal, right? It's bad behavior, and should be punished.

I think the only thing in question here is the level of punishment.

Definitely, Temperamental. Arresting someone over writing on a desk is so absurd, if this was done to every student then my entire class would have been arrested every year.

I bet none of you would have written on desks again, would you?

Oh but the allure of writing on desks would be even greater. If you could bait in a police investigation every time you scribbled a half flaccid penis on property, and you managed to get away with it each and every time, I wouldn't be surprised if people didn't get hooked on that like drugs.

So it's you!

(the other day, someone reported someone drawing a penis in the dust on his vehicles. it has happened several times and is allegedly damaging paint.)

Actually I'm sure a lot of people would keep doing it until someone realized how ****ing stupid it is to get carted away for that.

Yeah because I know every time I've been punished disproportionately for the act committed I always said to myself "man that was worth it. i'll do that again really soon."

Underdeterrence. The penalty is so steep that after I finished writing on the desk, I'd have set it on fire to hide the evidence.

That's easy.

Don't get caught.



LIKE A TRUE LAWYER!

TINLA

I like where Macfarlane is going with this. If your school has a zero tolerance policy on something and you do it anyway, you'd better be smart enough to not get caught at least.

By setting it on fire!

Exactly. If you're going to write on your desk, at least be smart enough to burn the evidence. Just take it down to the boiler room and throw it in the furnace.