Yeah... basically saying "nuh uh!" and "I know you are but what am I" in every post isn't a sufficient way to win a debate either.

And if you don't like people pointing out your backpedaling, then stop backpedaling.

Wookie06 doesn't backpedal. He has too much inertia to pedal, period.

There's so much irony in this sentence it makes my teeth hurt

How can I have a debate with someone who, by his own admission, does not back up his arguments? If you aren't backing up your arguments then they aren't actually arguments at all, so by definition debate is impossible.

The very fact that you think a debate can be "won" means that you don't really know what a debate is. It's not a ****ing contest. It's supposed to be rational discourse to enhance the knowledge of all participants.

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I never backpedal. Every time Emon says that, it never follows any sort of retraction. It's simply his means of calling someone a "stupid bigot". I want to give you more credit than I have. You need to recognize the tactics some of these people use. I have also offered conversation to Jon`C in PM as well as open debate in the forum but that was declined. I do have a different philosophy regarding debate in the forum now compared to several years back (7?) but nobody seems interested now. Most would rather insult me so as to not be destroyed in a rational debate.

Ah, offered conversation to Jon`C in PM as well as open debate in the forum but that was declined.

Let me page through my private messages,.... Oh, Wookie06 has only ever sent me one private message.



quit making fun of me guyyyys
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It's interesting to see how little has changed at Fox News since this article was written in 2001. This was even before the Glenn Beck phenomenon (he wasn't nearly as big on his previous network).

Not that I do not doubt that this actually happened because Beck is for the most part a whacko, but I'd really like to see video of this. When you say "literally", I'm interpreting this as he actually said, quoted, that black people are taking over america and putting white people in camps. For some reason I'm thinking that if he "LITERALLY" said this, it would be much bigger news. I'm not asking you to find it, but could you provide me with a date or general timeframe in which this episode was aired?

You never do so explicitly. You lean towards a particular claim then say, "whoa hey guys, I never said that! I don't pretend to make any claims here."


No, if I wanted to call you a stupid bigot, I would call you a stupid bigot.


Because every time someone tries, it's a disaster. You never make real claims, which you have just admitted. When people try to argue with you, you just say "I'm not really trying." It's a two-way street.


Again. It's not about "winning." The fact that you think someone can be "destroyed" in a "rational debate" is downright frightening. You're completely missing the purpose of debate with that attitude.

Wookie06, it's cute how you like pretending that you're some kind of enlightened warrior-poet whose groundbreaking ideas are being ignored by a psuedo-intellectual Massassi "elite" but... well..., I'll try to put this delicately.

It turns out that introspection and skill level are related; i.e. you need to be smart in order to know that you are stupid. More importantly, you also need to be smart in order to judge the intelligence of others.

The root of our little disagreement is the fact that you are below-average and too below-average to realize it. You're a semi-retired poor uneducated middle aged Army staff sergeant who's afraid of book learnin', who spends his free time unironically watching Glenn Beck and trying to convince a tiny Star Wars fan forum that he isn't a useless man-husk. The people who disagree with you range from lawyers to astrophysicists, all fiercely intelligent and autodidactic outside of their chosen fields.

None of us are too "elite" to listen to you. We're listening, you're just wrong.

IN RESPONSE TO MSCBUCK:

That was the point of the entire show. He also elaborated that the blacks were using christianity to take over somehow. It was pretty amazing stuff. It was about a month ago. I don't particularly recall any names of guests or anything, which I guess makes this about as reliable as a Fox News report, so in this case you'd have to look it up yourself. Unfortunately from what I've seen most of the clips of Beck on YouTube are just him crying or talking about what kind of racist scumbag Obama is.

p.s.: Obama's middle name is only worth mentioning if you're bigoted against Muslims. Ipso facto Wookie06 is indeed a stupid bigot.

p.s.: In order to have a successful debate, you require two participants who are aware of epistemology - e.g. the burden of proof, the classical fallacies. Wookie06 thinks he's a master of debate because he isn't skilled enough at debate to know he's not. It's a waste of ****ing time to even talk to people like Wookie06.

I'm not any of those things....

I have just skimmed the last half of this thread, and what i gathered from the couple of words I noticed was that by simply disagreeing with Wookie, I can be considered "fiercely intelligent" by some sort of "intellectual Massassi elite". That sounds good to me, where do I sign up? I consider myself autodidactic because I never payed attention in school but I know things.

Power flickered last night during a storm and I shut the computer off (after it was already forcibly restarted by the surge) and I come back to a litany of attack posts. So, yes, as you can see I offered conversation to Jon`C which he declined by refusing to respond. I also offered open debate which went unanswered as well. I also didn't say in this thread that I don't make claims, I have said many times over the years that I don't feel the need to substantiate them. I have also said that I stand behind every post I've ever made (except I would reword one if the topic ever came up) and, ironically, I don't believe I've ever even used the president's middle name to refer to him for which I am accused of being a stupid bigot for [not?] doing.

I also wonder if a group of lawyers and astrophysicists that disagree with Jon`C's group of intelligent and autodidactic lawyers and astrophysicists are also "intelligent and autodidactic".

I think if it was a "quit making fun of me guyyyys" thing it wouldn't have been in the PM system. And, BTW, just for the sake of completeness and since you seem to imply it never happened (I've even left the know/now typo in there for you):

I love how you can flat out admit that you don't care if anything you say is accurate or truthful.

I've never said that. I don't post things I know to be inaccurate or untruthful, sarcastic posts (such as a response I made to a post claiming I wouldn't read a book written by a black person) excepted. You, on the other hand, are an admitted liar.

How's that? I don't really follow.

No one has taken you up on your offer because no one takes you seriously. You carry yourself with an air of seriousness, but never back up anything you ever say, even when we ask you to. You say you stand by them but never even try to back up your opinions. And we've asked. I've asked. YOU ALWAYS IGNORE THEM, EVERY TIME.

And always pretend as if all we do is throw petty insults around, where in reality you ignore 90% of the thread and only respond to the one or two things you think you have an answer to.

He can't back up his opinions because they aren't his opinions. His owners tell him what to think and what to say. Cut taxes, ban gay marriage, Obama's a Muslim, bomb all the brown people. If his owners gave him reasons, Wookie06 might figure out that his rich white idols hate him and want him to suffer.

I was thinking, Jon`C, you should add overweight to your list of pseudo-insults of me. I could stand to lose some weight.

Well, let's take this thread as an example then. All I did was offer my on topic opinion and then make a statement of fact that Limbaugh is not associated with Fox News. Somehow that spawned all of this. I made absolutely no inflammatory statements to incite such invective. So feel all high and mighty if you like, I did nothing in this thread to cause such an uproar. Many of you simply can not refrain from going directly to personal attacks. I wonder if those of you that do so will ever realize that it demeans you far more than the person you are attacking.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. You think some say you backpedal too much? You can't have a single discussion without playing the victim and pretending the whole of massassi is hurling petty insults at you. It's gotten very, very old

You claimed that Fox News was top notch reporting. You also defended Glenn Beck and called Antony (implicitly the rest of us) a tool and/or fool. You didn't bother to respond to links or videos criticizing Beck, you just dismissed them, like you do every other time someone criticizes something you like.

Whether you realize it or not, you've done a lot more than just say Limbaugh isn't associated with Fox.

If you make a claim, YOU MUST SUPPORT IT OR IT IS IMMEDIATELY INVALID. This is how opinions work. Opinions are not valid until there is a sufficient and reasonable argument made in their support. Now sure, not every thread is that deep of a discussion. Casual discussion doesn't need a logically sound and valid argument, that's just too much work for a simple discussion. But saying "I stand by it" or "I'll back it up in open debate" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Yes, my opinion is that their straight news coverage is top notch. I concede that opinions of commentators is pretty much personal opinion. I personally tend to tire of O'Reilly, dislike Hannity's show, and respect Beck. I guess that's somehow inciting invective for me to have those opinions.

For crying out loud, stop editing your posts! Major revisions should constitute new posts.

I didn't make major changes. Nothing was added or removed that significantly changed the content of my post. It's just a bit more clear and tactful now. The edits were also within a few minutes of each other. Wait 10 minutes and stop getting butthurt over something so trivial.

Whatever. Your edits were actually posted after my response and adding a paragraph seems significant. In any event I don't see you crying to hear Anthony explain his opinion. It would appear that since the charge of racism has been made against Mr. Beck I am now charged with proving my opinion that he is not a racist. **** that. I've watched and listened to the man for three years. If he was a racist it would be easy for me to prove. I guess I could cite the show I watched where he spent the entire hour discussing influential Blacks that contributed to the founding of the country or recognized the Constitution as an anti-slavery document. Or maybe I could point to the show in which he conducted a sort of town hall meeting on the subject of race filled with Blacks. I guess that might be more substantial than simply saying I watched him for an entire hour and all he did was say that black people want to put whites in concentration camps. But it wouldn't be much more substantial because I should be expected to at least link to the shows. Clips about the founding are easy to find. The town hall sort of thing I don't have the right search terms yet. Maybe somebody can find something in this to substantiate Anthony's claim.

No, your post occurred within 1-2 minutes of my last edit. Most of it was already done before I ever saw your post.


He at least referenced a time frame in which it was aired. I briefly looked into it and found his claim pretty reasonable. Or at least, it seems that way, I have no idea if Glenn Beck believes anything he says.



So what? Because he said nice things it discounts the bad things he's said? This is like saying "God damn those ****in' ******s. Oh, I'm not racist, look I have a black friend!"'

This search query finds a few articles referencing the event, which unfortunately are worthless since the footage has been pulled from YouTube for copyright infringement.

Okay, how about this? Watch his show for a week or two. Listen to his show for a week or two. Come up with your own evidence or stow it. I already said it's not my job to defend him. I didn't bring him up anyway.

by the way, here is an article with the video in question

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907280008

I never said it was.

I'm still slightly concerned about the fact that Wookie06 can't even take the time to spell my name correctly.

well that could just be a simple mistake. its perfectly conceivable to misspell Antony as Anthony.

He's known for his penchant to do annoying things for the sake of annoying people, that could be one of those things

Yeah, like posting.