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President Obama's religion
2010-08-28, 2:31 PM #201
All I know is that the President definitely celebrates Festivus.
>>untie shoes
2010-08-28, 5:06 PM #202
Originally posted by Antony:
All I know is that the President definitely celebrates Festivus.


If I see Joe Biden wrestling Obama next to a pole, we will know for sure.
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2010-08-28, 5:27 PM #203
Who would win this feats of strength contest?
>>untie shoes
2010-08-28, 5:51 PM #204
In sports, always bet on the Black Guy.

Seriously what are you, an amateur?
nope.
2010-08-28, 6:35 PM #205
Well, Biden does have a Trans Am.

[http://timedoctor.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/shirtless-biden-r.jpg]
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-28, 8:55 PM #206
Can we gas this thread yet?
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2010-08-28, 9:14 PM #207
Doesn't really matter to me. I got the stats I was interested in and at least some on-topic discussion.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-28, 10:50 PM #208
Ha! Here you go if by gas you mean add more fuel to the fire. I just happened to check out anncoulter.com and found her recent column.

Quote:
MSNBC SWEARS TO ALLAH THAT OBAMA'S NOT A MUSLIM

MSNBC's Monday programming was dedicated to denouncing Sen. Mitch McConnell's response to a question about whether Obama is a Muslim.

McConnell said: "We all have to rely on the word of (Barack Obama) -- something about as reliable as a credit default swap."

No, I'm sorry, that's what The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan said about whether Trig Palin was really Sarah Palin's child.

McConnell responded by demanding that Obama be fired -- or at least have his security clearance suspended.

No, no -- wrong again: That was Sen. John Kerry and Sen. Chuck Schumer, respectively, not taking Karl Rove at his word when he said he had not released Valerie Plame's name to the press. (It turned out Rove was telling the truth; it was Richard Armitage, and it wasn't a crime.)

What McConnell actually said in response to the Muslim question was: "The president says he's a Christian. I take him at his word. I don't think that's in dispute."

Over at MSNBC, that's Republican code for: "He's a Muslim!"

North Korean TV's Ed Schultz hysterically babbled: "McConnell gave cover. That's what he did. He gave cover to all those low information voters out there who still believe this garbage about President Obama being a Muslim. ... The Republican leadership just loves to feed the fire."

Chris Matthews was so impressed with Schultz's nonsensical argument that he spent the entire hour on NKTV's "Hardball" making the same one: McConnell had expressed insufficient fervor when he said he believed Obama was a Christian! (Perhaps if McConnell had added something about a thrill running up his leg ...)

The statement "I take him at his word," Matthews said, was a "pitch-perfect dog whistle to the haters." He continued: "Yes, sure, whatever he says. Right. This is not about belief. It's an accusation that President Obama is not one of us. The right wing's attempt to de-Americanize the president."

What else is there besides Obama's word? If Obama suddenly announced that he was a Muslim -- or a Buddhist -- what evidence would Matthews cite to prove him wrong?

Meanwhile, liberals absolutely refuse to take Republicans at their word when they identify their own children. Or deny leaking a low-level CIA functionary's name to the press.

Or when they deny they are racists.

Indeed, Matthews' guest, Howard Fineman of Newsweek, accused the entire state of Kentucky of bigotry to explain McConnell's "crafted" words.

Kentucky, Fineman said, is "a state where the nativist appeal outside of Louisville really works big-time." The Republicans, he said, are "going to use whatever fear message they can. It's aimed at Kentucky, for sure."

I believe the Bluegrass state has just been called "nativist" without any evidence at all! Was Kentucky's father a nativist? Was it educated in a nativist madrassa as a child? Did Kentucky just endorse the idea of a nativist cultural center at Ground Zero?

On the following night's "Hardball," Tuesday, Matthews and his guest, The Chicago Tribune's Clarence Page, refused to take Glenn Beck at his word when he said that he picked the day for his Lincoln Memorial rally without realizing it was the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream" speech. (Everybody knows the 47th anniversary is the big one!)

Accusations of racism apparently do not require the ironclad proof demanded for accusations that someone is a Muslim.

And there's a lot more evidence that Obama's a Muslim than Republicans are racists. Let's compare:

Evidence for the Proposition That Obama's a Muslim: His father was a Muslim; his mother, an atheist, married two Muslims; he attended a Muslim school in Indonesia from age 6 to 10; and, during the campaign, he proudly posted on his webpage his statement that America is "no longer" a Christian nation, a statement he has repeated as president, while announcing on French TV that America is "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world."

Evidence for the Proposition That Republicans Are Racist: (Nothing so far.)

Evidence for the Proposition That Liberals Lie About Republicans Being Racist: Video of a supporter of Rand Paul's opponent pretending to be a racist Paul supporter; Oregon public school teacher Jason Levin caught operating a website asking liberals to show up at Tea Parties pretending to be right-wing racists; The New York Times' Maureen Dowd claiming she heard Rep. Joe Wilson shout, "You lie, boy!" when he shouted "You lie!" during Obama's speech to a joint session of Congress; and the mainstream media lying about civil rights hero John Lewis being called the N-word 15 times at an anti-ObamaCare protest, with no one ever being able to produce a videotape, despite a $100,000 reward.

If Republicans played by liberal rules, they'd just call Obama a racist, who leaked Valerie Plame's name to the press, is not Sasha's father, and smokes Newports, not Kools.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-28, 10:54 PM #209
tl;dr:

[quote=Ann Coulter]no u[/quote]
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2010-08-28, 10:58 PM #210
The drivel you read and you couldn't read a short column? Please. Not that I really expected anyone too!
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-28, 11:03 PM #211
I read it. I was summarizing for anyone else who couldn't be bothered.
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2010-08-28, 11:11 PM #212
I figured you did but I'd be surprised if nothing in there elicited a chuckle.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-29, 12:10 AM #213
It was fairly rambling. I wish I could have those few minutes back if I'm honest.
2010-08-29, 2:41 AM #214
Well duh, it's Ann Coulter.
You can't judge a book by it's file size
2010-08-29, 2:56 AM #215
That column has some really interesting ideas. I've read some chunks of lines 1 to 3 now.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2010-08-29, 4:54 AM #216
Originally posted by Krokodile:
That column has some really interesting ideas.


Just like Mein Kampf!

For what it's worth, the clip over here[1] makes it pretty clear that McConnell believes him to be a Christian. If that Ed Schultz quote is accurate and not taken out of context, then he's a moron. That said, I don't believe that Karl Rove or Sarah Palin are trustworthy individuals and that, while the "who gave birth to Trig" argument seemed trite to me, Karl Rove screwing someone over did not, and still does not, strike me as impossible.

1. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mitch-mcconnell-takes-president-obama-at-his-word-that-hes-a-christian/
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2010-08-29, 5:29 AM #217
Originally posted by Wolfy:
Just like Mein Kampf!


Kroko's sneaky like that.
You can't judge a book by it's file size
2010-08-29, 10:55 AM #218
Originally posted by Wolfy:
For what it's worth, the clip over here[1] makes it pretty clear that McConnell believes him to be a Christian. If that Ed Schultz quote is accurate and not taken out of context, then he's a moron. That said, I don't believe that Karl Rove or Sarah Palin are trustworthy individuals and that, while the "who gave birth to Trig" argument seemed trite to me, Karl Rove screwing someone over did not, and still does not, strike me as impossible.


See, this is interesting. You have a view that Rove and Palin are not trustworthy so even though the facts obviously show who "outed" Plame and gave birth to Trig you might have sympathetic views to those who don't believe those facts. So while were told that the facts show that, even though your link opines "it’s technically impossible to bear witness to another’s Christianity without being present for their conversion" (although it also wrongly opines that those who believe Obama is a muslim are mostly Republican), Obama is a Christian it seems so strange that those who view the President as untrustworthy don't believe him?
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-29, 11:40 AM #219
For what it's worth, I provided the above link for the video clip, not for whatever opinion was printed on the article.
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2010-08-29, 11:56 AM #220
Originally posted by Krokodile:
That column has some really interesting ideas. I've read some chunks of lines 1 to 3 now.


I snickered.
2010-08-29, 1:59 PM #221
Originally posted by Wookie06:
(although it also wrongly opines that those who believe Obama is a muslim are mostly Republican)


Um. Where? As far as I can tell, the closest it comes to saying such a thing is "especially Republicans," which is completely accurate. Republicans as a group are especially likely to hold the mistaken belief that Obama is a Muslim, at 31% compared to 18% for independents and 10% for Democrats.
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2010-08-29, 2:33 PM #222
I'm sorry, I've read and heard some many erroneous reports that they are mostly Republican that I misstated. Still, to say "especially Republicans" are part of a group of people that believe Obama is muslim when, as you point out the actual percentage is so relatively small, is deceptive.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-29, 5:15 PM #223
Originally posted by Michael MacFarlane:
Republicans as a group are especially likely to maliciously claim Obama is a Muslim, at 31% compared to 18% for independents and 10% for Democrats.


Fixed.
2010-08-29, 6:03 PM #224
LOL, that's classic Jon`C!
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-29, 8:36 PM #225
Originally posted by Wookie06:
LOL, that's classic Jon`C!
It is.

Republicans try to convince people that Obama is a Muslim in order to make Obama look un-American; to group Obama with vaguely-defined 'others' by whom the American people are intimidated, and simultaneously insinuate that Muslims cannot be trusted.
This is deliberately malevolent on multiple levels, ranging from its inherent promotion of racism and bigotry to the fact that it's making a strong, divisive claim about something that is unfalsifiable.

Meanwhile, you're complaining about some Democrats trying to convince people that Sarah Palin's retarded kid is actually her daughter's? The fact that Sarah Palin is an irresponsible parent and therefore a bad leader is already self evident to anybody who is not spellbound by the juvenile antics of some entitled white hick sociopath.

On this note, I've yet to see a Republican/Libertarian/fauxservative idol who wasn't a useless pile of **** w.r.t. Titus 1:6-7.
2010-08-29, 8:55 PM #226
Originally posted by Wookie06:
I'm sorry, I've read and heard some many erroneous reports that they are mostly Republican that I misstated. Still, to say "especially Republicans" are part of a group of people that believe Obama is muslim when, as you point out the actual percentage is so relatively small, is deceptive.


That's not something I pointed out. Despite making up a smaller part of the sample than either Democrats or independents, Republicans make up nearly half of the group that believes Obama is Muslim. The reports you're complaining so much about inaccurately state the results, yes, but they're probably within the margin of error.
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2010-08-29, 9:28 PM #227
Originally posted by Jon`C:
It is.

Republicans try to convince people that Obama is a Muslim in order to make Obama look un-American; to group Obama with vaguely-defined 'others' by whom the American people are intimidated, and simultaneously insinuate that Muslims cannot be trusted.
This is deliberately malevolent on multiple levels, ranging from its inherent promotion of racism and bigotry to the fact that it's making a strong, divisive claim about something that is unfalsifiable.


This kind of stuff makes my brain bleed. There have been no mainstream republicans making the point the Obama is a Muslim. In fact most people seem to have heard it on TV. As I suggested earlier, perhaps that is due to Obama himself inundating the television.

Originally posted by Jon`C:
Meanwhile, you're complaining about some Democrats trying to convince people that Sarah Palin's retarded kid is actually her daughter's? The fact that Sarah Palin is an irresponsible parent and therefore a bad leader is already self evident to anybody who is not spellbound by the juvenile antics of some entitled white hick sociopath.


How on Earth do you justify the statement that she is an "irresponsible parent"? Is it because she decided not to terminate a retarded child or because she had a daughter that made a mistake? You can be a responsible driver and still get into an accident. Also, I don't remember complaining about democrats slandering Palin and I don't know what "white hick sociopath" you're referring to.

Originally posted by Jon`C:
On this note, I've yet to see a Republican/Libertarian/fauxservative idol who wasn't a useless pile of **** w.r.t. Titus 1:6-7.


Well, you are probably much more well versed in such things than I.

Originally posted by Michael MacFarlane:
That's not something I pointed out. Despite making up a smaller part of the sample than either Democrats or independents, Republicans make up nearly half of the group that believes Obama is Muslim. The reports you're complaining so much about inaccurately state the results, yes, but they're probably within the margin of error.


Well, going by the numbers you posted, Republicans make up about 3/10 of the group that thinks he's Muslim. There seems to be another, undiscussed, group that makes up 4/10. Seems to me that when 7/10 of the group that thinks he's Muslim is not Republican it is a little unfair to say "especially Republicans".
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-29, 9:37 PM #228
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Well, going by the numbers you posted, Republicans make up about 3/10 of the group that thinks he's Muslim. There seems to be another, undiscussed, group that makes up 4/10. Seems to me that when 7/10 of the group that thinks he's Muslim is not Republican it is a little unfair to say "especially Republicans".


Lrn2stat. Just having to point this out depresses me, but when 3/10 of Republicans think that Barack Obama is a Muslim, that is not the same as 3/10 of the people who think that Barack Obama is a Muslim being Republicans.
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2010-08-29, 9:43 PM #229
If more Republicans than any other group included in the poll answered they think he is a Muslim, I don't think it's a stretch to say "especially Republicans" according to the poll.

Edit: slow as your statistically average forum Republican.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2010-08-29, 10:15 PM #230
Quote:
When asked how they learned about Obama’s religion in an open-ended question, 60% of those who say Obama is a Muslim cite the media. Among specific media sources, television (at 16%) is mentioned most frequently. About one-in-ten (11%) of those who say Obama is a Muslim say they learned of this through Obama’s own words and behavior.
From the same Pew Study. Shoots down the Wookie/Ann Coulter theory that people think he's a Muslim because of his words or behavior. They get the idea from conservative media outlets that push it.
2010-08-29, 10:34 PM #231
Originally posted by Michael MacFarlane:
Lrn2stat. Just having to point this out depresses me, but when 3/10 of Republicans think that Barack Obama is a Muslim, that is not the same as 3/10 of the people who think that Barack Obama is a Muslim being Republicans.


Sorry that I misunderstood what you said. I think it's an honest mistake as you weren't very clear. Thankfully, Wuss has linked to the actual survey so I'll review that and opine later.

Edit - Actually, I think you were clear and I misread it.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-29, 10:48 PM #232
I do think it's kind of cool that you guys have a Muslim communist fly-murdering non-citizen schoolkid-brainwashing hater of the mentally disabled for a president.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2010-08-29, 10:57 PM #233
That's pretty funny, actually.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-08-30, 12:29 AM #234
I wish our PM could kills flies like Obama does.
2010-08-30, 3:58 AM #235
Originally posted by Martyn:
I wish our PM could kills flies like Obama does.


Cameron isn't that free, nor that brave :tfti:
He said to them: "You examine the face of heaven and earth, but you have not come to know the one who is in your presence, and you do not know how to examine the present moment." - Gospel of Thomas
2010-08-30, 4:42 AM #236
Originally posted by Martyn:
I wish our PM could kills flies like Obama does.

He can bounce the sun off his freshly polished forehead and BURN THEM OUT OF THE AIR.
nope.
2010-08-30, 7:59 AM #237
Cameron's forehead is so big it should be a fivehead
2010-08-30, 1:11 PM #238
Originally posted by Wuss:
From the same Pew Study. Shoots down the Wookie/Ann Coulter theory that people think he's a Muslim because of his words or behavior. They get the idea from conservative media outlets that push it.


Thanks for linking to the survey. I wish they would have included more detail as to what sources lead to people believing he is a Muslim. I still hold that it is from Obama's "words or behavior" being that he inundates the media and there has been no major media effort to portray him as a Muslim. I still contend that to say "especially Republicans" are more likely to view him as Muslim is a little deceptive because across every single category the report in the survey the opinion that he is a Muslim or don't know his religion increased just as every single category decreased for those believing he is Christian. Still, I understand the counter argument that a greater percentage of Republicans view him as such so I'll not argue the position further.
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