*hums God Bless America*

If it's of strategic value that Bin Laden is dead, hooray, strategy!

People are celebrating the fact that a man is dead. Not the strategic value it has, or the ramifications it will have: they're happy about somebody's death, and that's appalling. Sure, he was a visible enemy of the US & al., and killing him is as morally acceptable as killing in war usually is. But just as I'd be revolted by a soldier who was happy about the men he'd killed, I think it's pretty disgusting how people are reacting to this. A nation cheering a person's death isn't justice, it's bloodlust and a mob mentality masquerading as patriotism.

I put forth the idea that, in reality, all trolls are socially-retarded.

K, you let me know how that worldview works out for you (in reference to: cheering a death is appalling). PS soldiers cheer about kills all the time. It's kind of what they do.

See, now you're getting it.

It's possible. In terms of intelligence there isn't much you can get from a corpse, but it's good for morale.

It's too bad it'll be years before we get the whole story. There are going to be some ruffled feathers, considering where they found bin Laden. It makes me think about that "retired" CIA agent a few months back, and comments about bin Laden's murder from Bhutto before she kicked the bucket (another person whose death I celebrate for good reasons.)

Yeah, but most people are really stupid. They are going to celebrate the death of a very bad man because they are genetically incapable of understanding the very good, celebration-worthy implications of his death. You can either accept the fact that the best most people are capable of is barely-tempered barbarism and enjoy the celebrations when you can, or become a burned-out social reject hippie man-husk like Freelancer.

Well this is going to certainly make the upcoming presidential campaign interesting.

Ummm... quite well? Not being a homicidal maniac has its ups, for sure.

I suppose we could all pretend we're sad when we kill people we're trying to kill...but that doesn't really make sense, does it? I'm referring to "we" as a country here. I mean, no one sets a goal, works hard to achieve it, finally does, and then feels nothing except for sadness about it. If anyone ever tells you that then they're lying to you.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure that the reaction would be for all intents and purposes identical if we had captured him alive. The excitement I believe is more for us "getting" him than specifically killing him.

Bob - things can be bittersweet you know. Not every achievement has to be a resounding victory. What about Dunkirk for instance?

This is garbage. What are we supposed to do, look down at Bin Laden's body and shake our heads saying "What a shame"? As long as there are humans who are willing to devote their resources to the killing of other humans, there will exist a justification for lauding the death of that human among the targeted humans. (You don't like that sentence? deal.)

There were people out in the streets in my town lighting off fireworks tonight as the news came across. I was like **** yeah.

Oh, I totally agree. But there is still a "sweet" in "bittersweet". And people tend, in these types of circumstances, to celebrate the sweet before they worry about the bitter. And that doesn't make it wrong to admit and celebrate.

Yeah, this is going to give Obama one hell of an edge. That's pretty much a great reply to any criticism.

"Yeah well, that may be, but do I need to remind you that I ordered the operation that killed Osama bin Laden."

Even if there were nothing else good about this*, it's pretty much the ultimate in schadenfreude. And boy do I love schadenfreude.

*There's a lot that's good about this.

I just read that he's already been given a burial at sea? Seems kind of quick?

Yes. While military action may sometimes be necessary, it is always regrettable.



I'm not sure what this aggressive posturing is about. (Actually, yes I am: turned on by violence, you yourself want to act aggressively.) I'm not sitting in my chair crying here; I've got nothing to "deal" with.

Actually, I was talking about the awkward wording of my last sentence, with all the "humans". I didn't feel like trying to make it flow better.

I read that it's an Islamic thing that people must be buried within 24 hours of death. It didn't say which denominations of Islam this applies to, though, but obviously at least the one Bin Laden followed.

Completely irrelevant but a better title would obviously have been "Bin Laden has Bin Killed" or "Bin Laden to rest".

Yay, I guess.

So can Bush finally finish reading My Pet Goat now?

I asked my boss if she'd heard and she told me her son had told her and she "supposed" it was quite good news but was "surprised at how excited America is about it." Then like an hour later she said these exact words to me, "Oh, I'd forgotten about 9/11! That's why they're so happy. He was sort of behind that thing, wasn't he?"



But **** yea Obama. Might as well just give him the second term now. It'd take a colossal ****-up to put that in doubt, but I don't think Donald Trump has it in him.

Jin...your boss is a.stupid whore.


And fake....but cool
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Seriously? It's all well and good to be idealistic, but it's just about absurd to say that the loss of human life is always regrettable. The death of Hitler wasn't regrettable in the slightest; Hitler killed a whole lot of innocent people and, if given the chance, would have continued to do to. The same is the case with Bin Laden. Are we really supposed to sit here and mourn the loss of a mass murderer?

A certain amount of "bloodlust," as you put it, is a very healthy human response to some things, and September 11th, not to mention all of the other attacks he has been behind, is one of those things. Should we all fly off the handle for every little thing? Absolutely not. Should our blood lust extend to people who weren't responsible, like the Muslim community as a whole? Absolutely not. But is a sense of relief and celebration understandable after the death of the one responsible for the loss of so many lives? Absolutely! If you're capable of feeling sorry for his death, more power to you, but I think you'll find you're in the minority, and I don't think that's such a terrible thing. The rest of us care more about the senseless loss of innocent lives then the sensible loss of a mass murderer.

Hey remember that time I banned you for being juvenile just after September 11th? **** off.

Also:

Why does everyone keep bringing this up?

If someone thinks that celebrating someone's death is distasteful, it doesn't automatically mean he thinks that people should be mourning it instead.

Yeah he's a terrible person, no big loss there. I would have loved and preferred to see him stand trial though, difficult as that may have been.

But I am quite indifferent about his death.

I can see how his death is important or beneficial, but partying about it seems a little silly to me.

Then again I didn't lose any relatives in 9/11.

I don't think I made it clear in my earlier post, but I'm definitely not celebrating. There was no feeling of joy or relief when I found out. It's all very surreal.

I didn't go out and celebrate either, but I'm definitely not going to look down on the people who did; I think it's perfectly understandable.

ding dong bin laden's dead

We killed him months ago.

Election Day is 1y 6 mo 4d (if I've done math right) away.

I see what you are saying, but the problem is, for a lot of us or maybe just me, the whole Iraq and Afghanistan affairs have been so easy to just tune out. I mean, after 8 years of this fiasco, it's not hard to not care much anymore for whatever progressive gains or violence events in that corner of the world. Main media outlets seemed have become bored of this too, save for the occasional drone strike screwing up.

Yeah, achieving goals are great. But what are the overall goals for Operation Iraq Freedom and the Afghanistan operations? Does the average person know anymore? Stability? Getting rid of those terrorists till the last one?

I think the indisputably great thing about Bin Laden's demise was that it made the Operations ... relevant again.

I'm amazed how the world has reacted, because the celebrations are world wide.

As to whether its regrettable that a man has died? Depends on the quality of the man, nobody regrets the loss of a bad weed.

The only regrettable thing I find, is that a woman used as a human shield was killed. Just goes to show you, the crud these people are, even in the last moments of their life.

Well, if it ever gets declassified, the guy who killed him will have one Hell of a book deal.

If the brutishness of the average American is any indication, the reason this was done was to cover something up. Not to respect his religious preferences.

Also: color me impressed if we managed to kill fewer innocents than Bin Laden during his manhunt.

this man was, at the very least, the figurehead of the organization responsible for the worst attack on American civilians, probably in our history. people are justifiably happy, jubilant even, that he is gone. you REAAAAALLLLYYY have to stretch to find something wrong with that.

And people have been celebrating death since the dawn of time. Why do you think this won't continue?

If you people are complaining about people celebrating Bin Laden's death why the hell aren't you complaining about the many mass murderer's that your country has executed from its own penal system over the years? Which as infrequently as it happens, STILL DOES HAPPEN MORE OFTEN THAN THIS. Yet, I don't see threads popping up everywhere when one is put in the gas chamber. I'm fairly certain that at least one person in the viewing crowd (maybe the victims family?) feels it's deserved.

Seriously. The guy wasn't AS bad as Hitler, but he was damn close.

He gave up his rights and quite frankly his humanity when he masterminded those attacks on the USA. He deserved to die. Those people in the towers did not.

Also: When it comes to military operations, yeah, you sort of don't **** around with the USA..


It's really easy for some of you to say things like this when you haven't been directly affected by the Sept 11th attacks. Hell, I'm willing to bet that half of you that have said it's incorrect to celebrate his death aren't even American.

'cause yeah, nationalism makes everything ok.

In case anyone still doesn't get it, I certainly don't approve of what Bin Laden orchestrated, but:

I am deeply annoyed that people ignore the fact that the U.S. has killed orders of magnitute more innocent people than Bin Laden, and somehow it's OK cuz nationalism.

Oh yeah: then they have the lack of grace to celebrate in the streets when he dies.. let's forget for a second how distasteful I find that. It's also very impractical: it's cocky and does nothing but inflame Bin Laden sympathizers.

Why is this so hard to understand? I am too pragmatic to think that it is always a bad decision to kill another human being. If it was in the US's best interest to kill Bin Laden--and I believe it was--then I recognize that it may have been done for a valid reason. But I think that rejoicing, celebrating, being happy for the fact that we've killed a human being--I think that is sick.

Necessary (or justifiable) action != cause for joy.

It has nothing to do with Nationalism and you know it, stop grasping for straws. I'm not even American and I wasn't affected at all by 9/11, and even I can see the huge implications this has. And I'm damn happy they killed the *******.

Just because you celebrate the death of a mass murderer doesn't mean you're going to celebrate the death of anybody. There is a huge difference. Seriously, why are you even arguing this?



Are you really so silly that you don't see that this is more than simply "celebrating the death of a human being"?

Also: Bin Laden was not a human being. He was a ****ing animal.