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Bin Laden is Bin Deaden.
2011-05-05, 7:53 AM #201
We were on vacation when we heard the news. My father called my aunt who was in a van full of people on her way to the airport & told her that "Osama is dead". She misunderstood & shouted out to everyone in the van that "Hey ya'll, Obama is dead". My father told us what she said & we were all cracking up. We actually got off of the phone with them & allowed them to continue thinking that the president was dead. I suppose that they probably figured it out later (I hope), but we weren't the ones to tell them.
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2011-05-05, 10:27 AM #202
Originally posted by Antony:
Oh yeah, I meant to ask, what's the deal with Fox spelling it with a U? No one else seems to do that.

I'm betting they're doing it in order to avoid mistakes typing Obama instead of Osama, being that god knows a lot of liberal idiots would get into a giant uproar if someone on fox's website or one of their producers on television made a typo.


It's probably this. It's an easy enough typo to commit, especially if you've been used to typing "Obama" regularly for the last four years or so and it's become ingrained in muscle memory. I definitely find myself typing the wrong name sometimes.
If you think the waiters are rude, you should see the manager.
2011-05-05, 12:05 PM #203
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110505/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_bin_laden_69

Quote:
ISLAMABAD – Pakistan warned America Thursday of "disastrous consequences" if it carries out any more raids against terrorists like the one that killed Osama bin Laden, and hit back at international allegations it may have been harboring the al-Qaida chief.
But the government in Islamabad stopped short of labeling Monday's helicopter raid on bin Laden's compound an illegal operation and insisted relations between Washington and Islamabad remained on course.
With calls from some U.S. lawmakers to cut aid to Pakistan following the raid, the European Union said it would not turn its back on the nuclear-armed nation that is seen by many as key to helping negotiate an end to the war in Afghanistan.
The army and the government have come under criticism domestically for allowing the country's sovereignty to be violated. Some critics have expressed doubts about government claims that it was not aware of the raid until after it was over or scolded it for not reacting quickly enough and shooting down the helicopters.
Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir's remarks seemed to be aimed chiefly at addressing that criticism.
"The Pakistan security forces are neither incompetent nor negligent about their sacred duty to protect Pakistan," he told reporters. "There shall not be any doubt that any repetition of such an act will have disastrous consequences," he said.
Bashir repeated Pakistani claims that it did not know anything about the raid until it was too late to stop it. He said the army scrambled two F-16 fighter jets when it was aware that foreign helicopters were hovering over the city of Abbottabad, not far from the capital Islamabad, but they apparently did not get to the choppers on time.
American officials have said they didn't inform Pakistan in advance, fearing bin Laden could be tipped off.
Elements of Pakistan's army and Inter-Services Intelligence agency have long been suspected of maintaining links to Islamist militants, mostly for use as proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan. While the country has worked with the United States to arrest many al-Qaida operatives since 2001, suspicion lingers it is playing a double game.
[Related: Afghan vet: The enemy is still dangerous]
The leaders of Britain and France, as well as U.S. officials, have said Pakistan has questions to answer over bin Laden's location in a large house close to an army academy in a garrison town.
Bashir said it was "absolutely wrong" to blame the ISI. "After all there was information within the U.S. system about those who were ultimately, eventually responsible for the 9/11 (attacks), so it's not for me to say that the U.S. government or the CIA failed to prevent that," he said.
While some U.S. lawmakers have taken a tough line, President Barack Obama and other American officials have been more cautious, realizing that downgrading or severing ties with the country would be risky.
Bashir said perceptions that Pakistan's ties with Washington were at rock bottom were untrue.
"We acknowledge the United States is an important friend," he said. "Basically Pakistan and U.S. relations are moving in the right direction."
EU spokesman Michael Mann said Thursday "there can be no doubt" Pakistan would remain an important partner in the region even amid the allegations.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2011-05-05, 1:03 PM #204
i think that title should read "Pakstan saber rattles to save face while secretly breathing a sigh of releaf that wont suffer any reprecussions"
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2011-05-05, 1:20 PM #205
Admiral Ackbar did NOT destroy the Death Star. A Rebel pilot did. Ackbar just happened to be the one who recognized a trap. This is not an Ackbar victory, but a Rebel victory. Don't let him distract you from the fact that he has never produced an official Mon Calamari birth certificate.
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2011-05-05, 2:01 PM #206
By that same argument Darth Vader isn't responsible for the destruction of Alderaan. It's not like he personally destroyed the planet.
nope.
2011-05-05, 2:04 PM #207
Abraham Lincoln isn't dead. I haven't seen pictures of the body. And who says John Wilkes Boothe actually shot him? There's no hard evidence.
>>untie shoes
2011-05-05, 3:18 PM #208
That Darth Vader comment would make more sense if it read "Tarkin".
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2011-05-05, 4:18 PM #209
I think the real question here is this: how did Michael Mann go from directing films to acting as an EU spokesman?
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2011-05-05, 4:24 PM #210
Originally posted by Krokodile:
I think the real question here is this: how did Michael Mann go from directing films to acting as an EU spokesman?

Easy: He's ****ing awesome.
>>untie shoes
2011-05-05, 7:46 PM #211
Quote:
By that same argument Darth Vader isn't responsible for the destruction of Alderaan. It's not like he personally destroyed the planet.
But Vader isn't responsible for the destruction of Alderaan. Grand Moff Tarkin gave the order, and the only one who out ranks him is Palpatine.
2011-05-05, 7:57 PM #212
Palpatine knew it was stupid too, Tarkin was just being an *******
~EU Sources~
2011-05-06, 1:05 AM #213
I'll be honest, I've mixed up Osama and Obama at least 10 times in the last week.
2011-05-06, 2:02 AM #214
edit: well this was in the wrong thread
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2011-05-06, 6:42 AM #215
JUST IN CASE YOU WERENT SURE:

Quote:
Al-Qaeda 'says Bin Laden dead'

http://twitter.com/#!/BBCBreaking/status/66483690426990593
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2011-05-06, 10:07 AM #216
Osama bin Laden. Its amazing what can be accomplished when the Playstation Network is down.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2011-05-06, 12:34 PM #217
Originally posted by Krokodile:
I think the real question here is this: how did Michael Mann go from directing films to acting as an EU spokesman?

Easy: Its the EU
Welcome to the douchebag club. We'd give you some cookies, but some douche ate all of them. -Rob
2011-05-06, 3:57 PM #218
this thread is filled with content that i find personally entertaining
2011-05-08, 10:14 PM #219
Although I am nowhere near the complete aviation nerd I was as a kid, a trait I inherited from my late father, I found the pictures of the helicopter wreckage quite intriguing. I just did a tiny bit of research and this is a short and interesting read. It's funny, all the years I've spent at Campbell and I barely even know Task Force 160th exists. 5th SF is right out in the open but the Night Stalkers are much more under the radar.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2011-05-09, 2:50 AM #220
I'm glad that unit which carried out the raid is so secret that it doesn't even officially exist, because it's not like we know about it now, or anything...
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2011-05-09, 3:15 AM #221
We knew about DEVGRU before this happened. You just won't find anyone who is telling the truth claiming to be one of them.
>>untie shoes
2011-05-09, 8:56 AM #222
Originally posted by Wookie06:
That Darth Vader comment would make more sense if it read "Tarkin".


Except Tarkin was in direct command of the station and on site for the destruction of Alderaan

Originally posted by zanardi:
Osama bin Laden. Its amazing what can be accomplished when the Playstation Network is down.


you win
eat right, exercise, die anyway
2011-05-09, 3:30 PM #223
I have been hesitant to comment much about the operation in general until it had time to sink in and more details were available. As I've taken in more and had the time to think about it I've come to a conclusion. This operation was all but an utter failure.

Now, don't take my opinion in anyway to disparage those involved in the authorization, leadership, or conduct of the operation. I'm not alleging anybody did anything wrong, per se, just that things went extremely wrong.

One of the most important lessons I've learned dealing with compiling information is that when the reports don't mesh, don't make sense, you are either missing details or part or all of the story is BS. I was quite taken aback by all of the conflicting statements and reports coming from the government on this operation. I was thinking, this is the single biggest event in the War on Terror and a huge symbolic victory. Why can't we get the story straight? At first it seemed like sheer incompetence on the part of the administration. The handling of the aftermath, not the operation.

So it took me a few days to look for the picture of the helicopter remains that I heard of. A few days after that my inner aviation nerd started to surface so last night I searched for more information and some more today. That's when it hit me. We shouldn't know about any of this. It's why the stories were all effed up.

Now I don't know if it was a kill mission or a capture mission or a kill or capture mission. I would hope the emphasis was on capture but, regardless, the entire thing was compromised as soon as the chopper was damaged. Surely the operation would still be unknown to this day had that not happened. Think about it, with or without Osama alive there certainly was actionable intelligence discovered there. But with significant wreckage outside the compound and a huge explosion within, the US operation was undeniable and extremely visible. Every terrorist that might have been found is on alert and relations with Pakistan are extremely strained.

To be clear, I'm no saying we failed. I'm just saying that rather than morbid celebrations in the streets of the states there should have been follow on covert operations conducted by DEVGRU and ACE
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2011-05-09, 3:39 PM #224
I thought I heard bits of information (being drowned in a sea of idiotic revelry) about raids being conducted in Afghan based on the new intelligence.

Regardless, things did go wrong, but as usual, the monsters of men in those of units found a way to make it work. Only problem is that they left an un-destroyed component of a non existent aircraft there. I think that is where the problems really started from.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2011-05-09, 3:52 PM #225
Of course but that piece had to have been outside the compound. In retrospect they might have been able to destroy it as well but under time constraints and an unsure situation they did what they could. I want to say I would be surprised if many or any significant follow on operations took place in the aftermath of the bin Laden raid. I just wish we didn't have to guess and still knew nothing about it. Hope the Chinese aren't dissecting the wreckage.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2011-05-09, 5:19 PM #226
Well, that was my first reaction on seeing the tail piece. Supposedly (I'm not spun up on the actual situation) China and Pakistan are growing closer recently. I can't imagine they haven't had a look at it in some capacity.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
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