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So, Star Wars blu rays.
2011-08-16, 12:23 AM #1
I hope it comes with the original cut (without added CG) upscaled to 1080p
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-The-Complete-Saga-Blu-ray/14903/
2011-08-16, 12:31 AM #2
I've had Star Wars records (vinyl), VHS & DVD (prequels & sequels). I don't think I'll be buying it in anymore new formats. I'm sure that it'll be great on Blu-ray & that there will eventually be a 3D version that trumps even that. I've given Mr. Lucas far too much money over the years & will be enjoying all new versions of his wonderful story, via BitTorrent.
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2011-08-16, 12:51 AM #3
Originally posted by Tibby:
I hope it comes with the original cut (without added CG) upscaled to 1080p


Why you would want it upscaled is beyond me. That wouldn't make it look any better than what you're used to.

Also, if you take two seconds to read the details of the set, you'd know it's the same version of the films as is on DVD, only presented in higher resolution. If you want the original versions of the films in HD, you're **** out of luck forever.

I won't be springing for this yet, but only because I don't have a Blu Ray player, and won't have one for a while considering I just quit my job the other day.
>>untie shoes
2011-08-16, 12:52 AM #4
I hope the BluRay conversion will be more like The Prisoner (i.e. exceptionally great) rather than Terminator 2 (i.e. yuck). Even then, I'll most likely get the set due to the deleted scenes and stuff.

I've never seen the very original Star Wars film and don't really care if I'll ever see it... I've watched the DVD versions like twice and I can get past the annoyances in ESB and RotJ. And of course if I ever feel like watching the original versions of ESB and RotJ I'll just pop in the other DVDs.
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2011-08-16, 12:57 AM #5
The changes are miniscule at best, and if they really bother you, odds are good you're an *******. Star Wars doesn't belong to you. You pay to watch what you pay to watch.
>>untie shoes
2011-08-16, 1:06 AM #6
They at least need to fix the stupid lightsaber colours in the OT. Everything else is fine but that is just annoying.
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2011-08-16, 4:34 AM #7
What's stupid about them?

You know the colors mean nothing, right? There is no 'good guy color' or 'bad guy color'.

For the DVD versions; some of the additions are actually good. Specifically the windows in cloud city.
2011-08-16, 4:49 AM #8
I think he was getting at how Luke's saber is actually kinda green in bits of the ANH dvd release, but blue again in other bits.

[I honestly have never noticed this but neckbeards argue about it.]
nope.
2011-08-16, 5:32 AM #9
Actually I was more concerned with Vader's saber being pink and not having any white core in most scenes in ESB and RotJ.



But yeah, they need fixing in about 75% of all lightsaber scenes in the OT DVDs.
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2011-08-16, 6:01 AM #10
I like the scene where the Ronto takes up the entire frame in Mos Eisly
2011-08-16, 7:10 AM #11
Yeah that one's a real head-scratcher
2011-08-16, 9:50 AM #12
not really, one can draw the immediate conclusion that george lucas is an *******
2011-08-16, 10:59 AM #13
Yes, that roughly 2 seconds of screen time makes all the difference.
>>untie shoes
2011-08-16, 11:17 AM #14
Originally posted by Antony:
Why you would want it upscaled is beyond me. That wouldn't make it look any better than what you're used to.

Also, if you take two seconds to read the details of the set, you'd know it's the same version of the films as is on DVD, only presented in higher resolution. If you want the original versions of the films in HD, you're **** out of luck forever.

I won't be springing for this yet, but only because I don't have a Blu Ray player, and won't have one for a while considering I just quit my job the other day.


You realize that the OT was shot on really nice film cameras, right?
2011-08-16, 11:22 AM #15
Originally posted by Ni:
Actually I was more concerned with Vader's saber being pink and not having any white core in most scenes in ESB and RotJ.



But yeah, they need fixing in about 75% of all lightsaber scenes in the OT DVDs.

I haven't seen the original version in a while but didn't they NOT have a white core to begin with? I think I remember a sort of generally pale glowing stick.
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2011-08-16, 11:54 AM #16
For all the nerds that complain about not having the original, I'm really surprised some community project hasn't been made to "get the originals to Blu-Ray quality" or something. Even if they don't have the raws, I feel like there'd be enough fanatics to do things the hard way.

As for myself, I won't get the Blu-Rays but only because I don't have a Blu-Ray player myself (except on my computer) and feel no need to buy them in this format. I've also yet to see a 6-pack sold, which seems odd.
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2011-08-16, 12:09 PM #17
what 'hard way' do you mean geb
2011-08-16, 12:47 PM #18
there was also some horrible shenanagans going on with obi-wan's light saber in the duel where vader kills him in the origional version.
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2011-08-16, 1:12 PM #19
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
You realize that the OT was shot on really nice film cameras, right?


Yes, and unfortunately the original prints do not exist... So you're not getting a new transfer of it. It's the same reason you didn't get anamorphic widescreen or dolby 5.1 on the special dvd releases of the original versions. It's not possible. All you people think lucas does this **** just to be a bad guy and prove he's in control because you desperately want to vilify someone instead of just admitting it's not going to happen. Don't worry, we all believe that you won't buy this release just like you didn't buy the previous ones.
>>untie shoes
2011-08-16, 1:49 PM #20
but...i didnt buy the previous ones, ill them in 3D when they come out just because its a theatre experience but thats about it
2011-08-16, 2:38 PM #21
Originally posted by Mentat:
I've had Star Wars records (vinyl), VHS & DVD (prequels & sequels). I don't think I'll be buying it in anymore new formats. I'm sure that it'll be great on Blu-ray & that there will eventually be a 3D version that trumps even that. I've given Mr. Lucas far too much money over the years & will be enjoying all new versions of his wonderful story, via BitTorrent.


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CM will probably ban you for a short time for mentioning such a wicked abomination.
2011-08-16, 3:15 PM #22
Originally posted by Ni:
Actually I was more concerned with Vader's saber being pink and not having any white core in most scenes in ESB and RotJ.



But yeah, they need fixing in about 75% of all lightsaber scenes in the OT DVDs.


Uh. Maybe it's worse in other shots, but I'm not going to go check and now I'm not inclined to believe you. That's not a 'pink' lightsaber. It's a red one in front of a blue background.
2011-08-16, 3:20 PM #23
Originally posted by saberopus:
what 'hard way' do you mean geb
Actually, I didn't have a specific method in mind (as I'm not knowledgable enough about this sort of thing) but I was thinking something comically stupid like photoshopping each frame of the movies from whatever version of them they do have.
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2011-08-16, 4:30 PM #24
they should just reboot starwars already
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2011-08-16, 4:39 PM #25
Originally posted by Gebohq:
Actually, I didn't have a specific method in mind (as I'm not knowledgable enough about this sort of thing) but I was thinking something comically stupid like photoshopping each frame of the movies from whatever version of them they do have.


that's just stupid Gebohq
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2011-08-16, 5:47 PM #26
It IS stupid.
It's also something that a guy spent some untold and horrid amount of time doing. I watched a few clips of his version of ESB and really didn't see the point.

Antony's hit the major point, though. Star Wars was filmed on really nice cameras... thirty-five years ago. You cannot wave a magic wand and have a perfectly remastered and cleaned up copy of a film. And if you're gonna put the time and money and effort into making the movie look brand new, then you're also gonna want to go back and fix what you've always seen as glaring flaws in the original. I would argue that if you have a problem with Luke's landspeeder now hovering on repulsor jets instead of hovering on a vaseline smear, then the problem is with you.

-I'd also argue that Han shooting first is by no means a hard and fast fact, but I'm pretty sure I'd get shouted down for that. I and most of the people I knew growing up never interpreted the scene that way, and the original novel leaves it completely vague. As a kid I always assumed Greedo's gun exploded or something, since blaster fire never does that to anyone else in the entire series.
2011-08-16, 5:53 PM #27
i would have assumed geb meant try to track down the best release prints that can be found and scan them at 4K and piece together the best bits from all the sources... wouldn't be on the same level of image quality as going back to the original camera negatives but those negatives (which i seriously doubt were destroyed given comments that have been made about the level of restoration that would be required to bring the original versions to bluray) were in unusually (for the time that passed and the way they were stored) rough condition when they did the restoration for the SE versions... even with the overall reduced image quality of a restoration from any release prints that still exist it would still be a considerable step up from the non-anamorphic laserdisc leftovers
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2011-08-16, 6:00 PM #28
About 174,240 high-resolution photorealistic paintings per movie.
2011-08-16, 6:15 PM #29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8mKFxmbg&feature=player_embedded
Found the project I mentioned.
He also did things like make it so the AT-ATs weren't see-through, which is good.

-Forgot to mention: I lost my DVD box set of the OT and all my prequel DVDs in hock, so if I get a blu-ray player I'll have to get the Star Wars blu-rays.
2011-08-16, 7:14 PM #30
Originally posted by x25064:
CM will probably ban you for a short time for mentioning such a wicked abomination.


Yeah you do NOT mention 3D round here!
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2011-08-16, 7:15 PM #31
The original versions won't be included just to let you know. I am disappointed though that this transfer won't be the best possible.
This guy on Amazon brings out some good points that you might not know about: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/product-reviews/B003ZSJ212/ref=cm_cr_pr_redirect?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0#R3127NK81SX4UD
2011-08-16, 7:34 PM #32
Quote:
-I'd also argue that Han shooting first is by no means a hard and fast fact, but I'm pretty sure I'd get shouted down for that. I and most of the people I knew growing up never interpreted the scene that way, and the original novel leaves it completely vague. As a kid I always assumed Greedo's gun exploded or something, since blaster fire never does that to anyone else in the entire series.


The scene is important the first time you watch the movie, because at that point you've just met Han, in a scummy bar, and you aren't sure about him. Han coldly shooting Greedo nails down his character. Without it, he starts out a good guy and stays a good guy. Han coming back at the end to save the day isn't a transformation. Of course, once you've seen the movie it doesn't matter anymore.

As for the effects of blaster fire on Greedo; do we actually see anyone, besides Greedo and Stormtroopers, get shot? I don't recall if we actually see any of the officers in the detention level get hit, and the stormtrooper's armor would hide the damage. Beru and Owen were charred far worse than Greedo. It's possible that blaster fire causes severe burns, and Han's pistol is seriously overpowered.

More interesting is how Vader killed Obiwan without cutting his robe, or having his blade stopped by Obiwan's.
2011-08-16, 8:20 PM #33
My nephew was extremely confused by that scene. Took me a while to get him to realize he was dead.
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2011-08-17, 3:44 AM #34
JM, we see a lot of guys in the blockade runner get hit too.
Not to mention Leia in RotJ.
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2011-08-17, 5:29 AM #35
Oh yeah, the blockade runner. I'm pretty sure their wounds smoke.
2011-08-17, 5:35 AM #36
Originally posted by Jarl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8mKFxmbg&feature=player_embedded
Found the project I mentioned.
He also did things like make it so the AT-ATs weren't see-through, which is good.

-Forgot to mention: I lost my DVD box set of the OT and all my prequel DVDs in hock, so if I get a blu-ray player I'll have to get the Star Wars blu-rays.

Weirdly his project thing makes me much more aware that I'm watching actors than before.
nope.
2011-08-17, 6:25 AM #37
He just made the footage less blue and more yellow. Takes away from it to be honest.
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2011-08-17, 7:00 AM #38
Originally posted by mb:
He just made the footage less blue and more yellow. Takes away from it to be honest.

He also added shake cam to when the ships collide
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2011-08-17, 1:19 PM #39
why would he do that
2011-08-17, 2:55 PM #40
Why not?
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