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2012-05-11, 2:47 PM #81
It's true, SLi is very poor from a value standpoint.
If you **** gold though, w/e go for it.
2012-05-11, 2:58 PM #82
And yet, I don't care, because like I said way earlier, I'm not worried that much about price/performance.
2012-05-11, 3:00 PM #83
Read: he's loaded
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2012-05-11, 3:14 PM #84
Totally. I use $500 computer parts for toilet paper.
2012-05-11, 3:30 PM #85
That's what the printer is for :confused:
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2012-05-11, 4:42 PM #86
Originally posted by Darth:
Totally. I use $500 computer parts for toilet paper.


I feel very, very sorry for your butt if that were the case. I'm fairly sure these video cards could be categorized as deadly weapons in some states, due to their sharp pointy solder points, gigantic heavy heatsink, and about as solid as a brick.
2012-05-11, 4:44 PM #87
The only way I could fit that card in my case would be to take off the heatsink D:
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2012-05-11, 4:46 PM #88
If I was just going to throw money in the fire I would have just went and bought a 690 anyway.
2012-05-11, 5:06 PM #89
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
I feel very, very sorry for your butt if that were the case. I'm fairly sure these video cards could be categorized as deadly weapons in some states, due to their sharp pointy solder points, gigantic heavy heatsink, and about as solid as a brick.


His anus is made of adamantium.
>>untie shoes
2012-05-11, 5:20 PM #90
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
If I was just going to throw money in the fire I would have just went and bought a 690 anyway.


Two of them, in SLI.
Powered by Mr.Fusion.
2012-05-11, 5:30 PM #91
Darth, I'm just going to say what these other people mean- I'm jealous. :)
My favorite JKDF2 h4x:
EAH XMAS v2
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2012-05-11, 8:02 PM #92
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
If I was just going to throw money in the fire I would have just went and bought a 690 anyway.


Would have, but never have seen a single one in stock anywhere. Might take weeks or more to ever find one, if even then.
2012-05-11, 8:44 PM #93
I'll upgrade to a 460 in a few years probably.
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2012-05-11, 8:53 PM #94
Originally posted by Darth:
Would have, but never have seen a single one in stock anywhere. Might take weeks or more to ever find one, if even then.

Uhh they cost $999. At that point it stops being a small waste of money, and starts being so enormously stupid that you should have it all confiscated.
2012-05-11, 9:26 PM #95
Darth, what monitor do you have? At some point I want a 120hz monitor, although with nvidia's new 'adaptive vsync' I'll probably just stick with what I have until it dies.
My favorite JKDF2 h4x:
EAH XMAS v2
MANIPULATOR GUN
EAH SMOOTH SNIPER
2012-05-11, 9:50 PM #96
Seriously, if I had the disposable income for it, I'd do 690s SLI. I don't even care. I'm running dual 560s, and while they can handle every game at 1920x1080 they don't have enough power (or memory) to run most games at 5760x1080 in 3D. So **** the haters.

Originally posted by Tibby:
Uhh they cost $999. At that point it stops being a small waste of money, and starts being so enormously stupid that you should have it all confiscated.


Tibby is the best judge of "enormously stupid" because....
2012-05-11, 10:26 PM #97
It's his area of expertise.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2012-05-11, 10:30 PM #98
Originally posted by Tibby:
Uhh they cost $999. At that point it stops being a small waste of money, and starts being so enormously stupid that you should have it all confiscated.


Hey I am an expert in this subject and I wish to suggest that potato. :downs:
I can't wait for the day schools get the money they need, and the military has to hold bake sales to afford bombs.
2012-05-11, 10:49 PM #99
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Tibby is the best judge of "enormously stupid" because....


That's not fair. He became financially independent once he got a credit card.
>>untie shoes
2012-05-11, 11:03 PM #100
Thing is, if I had disposable income, SLI wouldn't even be first on the list. Replacing that ****ty 128GB SSD he's got now would be a high priority target. I mean, hell, if you have $500 to blow, get a goddamn 512GB SSD. At least that will actually make an appreciable difference right now, in ​everything.
2012-05-11, 11:53 PM #101
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
Thing is, if I had disposable income, SLI wouldn't even be first on the list. Replacing that ****ty 128GB SSD he's got now would be a high priority target. I mean, hell, if you have $500 to blow, get a goddamn 512GB SSD. At least that will actually make an appreciable difference right now, in ​everything.


After I tried Intel's SSD caching (called SRT only available on z68/z77/h77 motherboards), I found with >128gb SSD's that I'm just wasting space. Example: On my PC, I have a 180gb SSD which is partitioned into ~116gb for OS, and 64gb for caching a 2TB HDD. In my previous system, I was always manually swapping games to the SSD but with SSD caching it's basically doing the same thing automatically. Sure if the data isnt in the cache, then the first time I load it - the game/app/whatever will feel like it's running off a HDD. But then the next time- ssd fast. Also long as it's something I use frequently, it's keep in cache.

Yeah it's lazy, but I dont have to micromanage my SSD.

*Using the same SSD for OS + SRT is a pain and unsupported. But if you are using a SSD as a non-OS drive and still use a harddrive in your computer you should look into this. You can configure cache sizes from 18gb-64gb.
My favorite JKDF2 h4x:
EAH XMAS v2
MANIPULATOR GUN
EAH SMOOTH SNIPER
2012-05-12, 2:22 AM #102
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
Thing is, if I had disposable income, SLI wouldn't even be first on the list. Replacing that ****ty 128GB SSD he's got now would be a high priority target. I mean, hell, if you have $500 to blow, get a goddamn 512GB SSD. At least that will actually make an appreciable difference right now, in ​everything.


What in the world are you taking about? I'm getting a 256 gig Samsung 830 SSD, which is one of the better SSDs available right now...

At least read my posts if you're going to whine about what I spend my money on dude.

Originally posted by Darth:
I've been debating getting something along the lines of this...

Processor: i7-3770K
Video: Either two GTX 680s or one GTX 690, haven't decided on that yet. Going big though as to have enough power to not have much issue running my 30" monitor at native resolution and full detail.
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z77
Cooling: Corsair H100
Case: Corsair 600t
Memory: 16 GB of something
Power Supply: Haven't decided yet
Storage: Either a 256 GB Samsung 830 or a 256 GB Vertex 4, leaning more towards the Samsung as it seems to have faster read speeds on smaller data blocks and the controller's probably more reliable. Then I'll throw in a big hard drive or two for mass storage.


May have not mentioned it, but I got the Samsung 830. The "****ty 128 gig SSD" was in my old computer, and was an awesome deal when it was bought probably two years ago....
2012-05-12, 8:19 AM #103
Okay, but it's still a 256GB. The speed improves with every step (512GB generally being the fastest).
2012-05-12, 8:31 AM #104
Depends completely on the SSD model. With Samsung 830s, the smaller actually tends to be slightly faster.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/532?vs=428

And here are results for 256 GB and 512 GB Vertex 4s for comparison. Only real advantage is in sequential writes. Reads tend to be faster on the smaller drive.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/560?vs=559
2012-05-12, 9:04 AM #105
Yeah but for typical usage you can't feel the difference anyway. Like I have a several Intel G2 SataII SSD's and several Muskin Chronos SF-2281 SataIII SSD's and when using them on a SataIII controller I can't tell the difference. Obviously benchmarks show a difference, but since most of my usage doesnt involve copying large amounts of data I dont see it in day to day use. Rather than speed I would focus on making a purchase based on reliablity- Samsung and Intel are good choices. OCZ is very unpopular right now. Maybe the Vertex 4 can bring them back tho.
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EAH XMAS v2
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EAH SMOOTH SNIPER
2012-05-12, 9:19 AM #106
Yup, reliability was the main reason I went Samsung over OCZ.
2012-05-12, 11:40 AM #107
Same here, got an 830. Samsung manufactures all of it in house and has very tight QC over their processes and design.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2012-05-15, 7:15 AM #108
Got everything in and put it all together last night, but I had some other stuff to take care of too so I didn't get all of it in until late. Haven't even gotten a chance to turn it on yet. The video cards are crazy close together, which makes me a bit nervous, but I've heard as long as you have a good side fan blowing on them it won't be an issue. I took the 200mm fan from the top of that case where the H100 radiator has to go and moved that fan onto the side panel so it will be blowing a lot of air onto the video cards.

Thankfully, if heat is an issue, I know someone with two two-slot 680s who will trade me one for one of mine so it won't be a big deal.
2012-05-15, 9:16 AM #109
Originally posted by Darth:
Got everything in and put it all together last night, but I had some other stuff to take care of too so I didn't get all of it in until late. Haven't even gotten a chance to turn it on yet. The video cards are crazy close together, which makes me a bit nervous, but I've heard as long as you have a good side fan blowing on them it won't be an issue. I took the 200mm fan from the top of that case where the H100 radiator has to go and moved that fan onto the side panel so it will be blowing a lot of air onto the video cards.

Thankfully, if heat is an issue, I know someone with two two-slot 680s who will trade me one for one of mine so it won't be a big deal.


Good luck, when I had crossfired 5870's it was the same situation. With no sidepanel fan they would overheat and lockup. But I think thermal protection has been getting better with GPU's every generation and the gtx680's probably still put out less heat than 5870's.
My favorite JKDF2 h4x:
EAH XMAS v2
MANIPULATOR GUN
EAH SMOOTH SNIPER
2012-05-15, 9:22 AM #110
My first task after getting Windows and drivers installed is to fire up furmark for a while and see how it does. I'm not even going to bother overclocking the processor until I know the video cards are stable and cool.
2012-05-15, 4:15 PM #111
The parts were delivered today. System recognizes all of the RAM and I'm installing drivers now. Thanks again, Triscuit!
TAKES HINTS JUST FINE, STILL DOESN'T CARE
2012-05-16, 6:51 AM #112
Seems my nervousness was warranted. Fired up Furmark and it didn't take long for my card sitting on top to shoot into the mid 90s before I turned it off while it was still climbing. At that point the gap in temperature between the two cards was over 20 degrees. Took that card out, traded it for an EVGA Superclocked card, and now both are running fine and cool. I can't figure out how some people claimed to get fine temperatures with similar SLI 3-slot cards, unless they just never stress tested them and didn't care about the sound of a jet taking off when they were playing games.
2012-05-16, 7:32 AM #113
By the way, thanks for the extras Triscuit. You are a great person, I don't care what everyone else says.
TAKES HINTS JUST FINE, STILL DOESN'T CARE
2012-05-16, 9:05 AM #114
Triscuit has probably supplied over half of massassi with computer hardware.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2012-05-16, 9:38 AM #115
Originally posted by Darth:
Seems my nervousness was warranted. Fired up Furmark and it didn't take long for my card sitting on top to shoot into the mid 90s before I turned it off while it was still climbing. At that point the gap in temperature between the two cards was over 20 degrees. Took that card out, traded it for an EVGA Superclocked card, and now both are running fine and cool. I can't figure out how some people claimed to get fine temperatures with similar SLI 3-slot cards, unless they just never stress tested them and didn't care about the sound of a jet taking off when they were playing games.


Why would you get the 3-slot over the 2-slot model again?
2012-05-16, 9:57 AM #116
Originally posted by ragna:
Why would you get the 3-slot over the 2-slot model again?


Because the heatsinks on them are ridiculous and thus they can usually be clocked quite a bit higher than the 2-slot designs with that extra cooling. They're also going to be quieter at any given load and clock speed due to the better cooler. The amount of space they take up really isn't an issue in most cases since I don't know many people these days using all of those extra PCIe slots they have. Most people throw a video card or two in the x16 slots and that's all they have. They're great in a single card setup since you should have plenty of room for airflow, and they also work just fine in an SLI setup with a 2-slot card above them. You could probably do just fine with 2 of them on some X79 boards where you've got more than 2 true x16 slots and can move them farther away from each other to get some good airflow, just as long as you have enough room on the bottom of case above the power supply.
2012-05-16, 10:03 AM #117
Originally posted by Roger Spruce:
By the way, thanks for the extras Triscuit. You are a great person, I don't care what everyone else says.


You are welcome. Good to hear it worked. :)

Originally posted by zanardi:
Triscuit has probably supplied over half of massassi with computer hardware.


It's the 1st step in an evil plot.

Originally posted by ragna:
Why would you get the 3-slot over the 2-slot model again?


I never tried SLI or XFire with a 3-slot cooler, but I can say that that they are MUCH quieter than reference designs. Even at high fan speeds you can barely hear them.
My favorite JKDF2 h4x:
EAH XMAS v2
MANIPULATOR GUN
EAH SMOOTH SNIPER
2012-05-16, 10:23 AM #118
Two would work just fine on one of these boards. :P

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131802
2012-05-16, 5:34 PM #119
Did some overclocking today. Running at 4.4 GHz right now with a peak temperature of 76 C in Intel Burn Test (Prime 95 tops out at 71 C). No errors and it appears stable so far. I could maybe squeeze a tiny bit more out of it, but I'll probably leave it as it is at least for now because I want to actually use the damn thing.
2012-05-16, 5:43 PM #120
Remember back when Intel swore up and down that >3.8 Ghz was totally impossible, forever?
Pentium IV was a weird thing.
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