We're all idiots on the internet. Me, you, Jon'C, everybody.

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We're all Canadians on the internet. Me, you, Reverend Jones, everybody.

That too. Also arrogant **** eating bastards.

Your tone wasn't of someone casually talking in a conversation. You were making statements of fact. Jon`C called you out on it and you went "meh." What did you expect?

C:\Windows\Media\Onestop.mid

I always preferred Canyon.
Too bad 7 took most of them out

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41063/Etc/midis.zip

You're welcome.

This is very close to what I just purchased ...
[QUOTE=my new system specs]Corsair Obsidian Series 550D Gaming Case
CPU: i5-2500
Corsair Hydro Series H60 Liquid CPU Cooling System
16 GB [4 GB X4] DDR3-1600 Memory
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti - 1GB - EVGA Superclocked
[SLI] ASUS P8Z77-V LK -- 2x PCI-E 3.0 x16, 4x USB 3.0
Power: 600w[/QUOTE]The one problem that I had when the unit arrived is that the GeForce expansion slot didn't line up with the hold in the computer case - the people building it had slightly flexed the video card to get it to fit. I plugged it all in, turned it on and nothing on the screen. I pull the video unit and connect to the mobo video outlet and it works.

And a brand new person shows up without any hello? Strange...

Sounds like whoever built your system didn't know what they were doing. The slots are standardized, if they don't line up, someone goofed. And since they bent the video card, whoever built it was an idiot. They probably broke the connections to the GPU or otherwise on the board. That means a completely dead video card.

Sorry - Hi All. This is the first PC that I have purchased in 5 years - last one was a dell (pls stop laughing!) ... I've had a ton of fun reading up about various things and I am looking forward to cleaning up the horrible cabling job that said BOZO did.
That is my thinking too. I am also going to check the mobo for standoffs.

Wow, thus proving the mantra "If you want it down right, do it yourself.".
Also computers are easy to build, it's a waste of money to get someone else to do it.

Unless you have no idea about all of the jumpers et al nor what the various power cords look like. Sure - there are a huge number of sites around that can walk you through it .. but the $s I spent on the build were worth it to me.

Next time - I will be building it myself. Going to use this build as training.

Well obviously it wasn't worth it, if they broke your video card

The thing is, building a computer isn't that complicated anymore. There aren't any jumpers you need to touch. Wires only fit where they belong (square peg, round hole sort of thing). The entire internals of a computer nowadays is designed in such a way that if you seem to have trouble putting something, you're probably doing it wrong. It all goes in one way, with one type of cable. That's why when the idiots bent the video card to plug it in, they should have been realizing "this isn't how it should go in" and stopped. They obviously screwed something up and they should have realized this.

After all, I was building computers when I was eleven years old. And it's far easier today.

About the worst you can do these days is not plug something in all the way or plug in a switch/LED header backwards if you're not paying attention to positive/ground. Neither of which will break anything.

Apparently the worst you can do is bend a video card.
Interestingly, I once bent the hell out of a Pentium III, still works you just have to pressure it to fit in the socket.

And here is a picture that I should have posted earlier of the offending GPU ...

And now you can post that the cabling job is horrible and the person doing that is an idiot too. See - this is what you get ... a bent GPU and ugly cabling :).

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Power supply is also upside-down...

Are you serious? Please don't joke with me about this as I have no idea.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41063/Etc/2012-05-23%2016.03.58.jpg

THIS is what your build should look like. Seriously.

1. The video card is hilariously bent. The motherboard is probably screwed up the way that thing is bent. I shudder to fear what it looks like.
2. The PSU is upside down (dumb but not broken). Basically, there's a vent at the bottom it's supposed to use, and it's not. It's not going to break anything, but it's far from optimal. It's like putting all-weather tires on a NASCAR car. Sure it'll still drive, but it's not exactly a good idea.
3. The H60 cooler is installed in the back instead of the top (dumb but not broken).

Please god take more photos. I have to see this whole thing. Take closer and one of the entire thing, from above the video card.

I'm not laughing at you by the way, I'm laughing at the poor SOB who should lose his job over this. Where the hell did you take this to get it built, by the way? Whodunit?

I have some more photos - will post them later. Will also take some more. Stupid me - should have seen that the PU was upside down ... I can see the fan - duh.

I wonder what IBP will say when I call them tonight.

It's not upside, the fan points inwards.
If it was the other way around it would overheat.
E: Unless this case has a vent, in which case well there goes that thought.

Well damn, CM's and my new builds must be ticking timebombs then!

(You're wrong, bottom of case is vented, bottom is raised to allow air to enter from the bottom, and the case is designed to completely isolate the PSU from the rest of the airflow.)

I've never owned a case with a psu vent okay, geez. I'm really used to generic ATX **** with the PSU up top.

Also, in my experience, I've found that PSUs generally refuse to fit or align with the case screw holes if installed upside down, I wonder if Captain Moron fudged that too.

i've seen a few with PSU vents it's a nice idea... PSU isn't pulling warm air from inside the case so it helps keep the PSU a bit cooler

Silly Tibby, thinking I'd be dumb enough to have a fan flush against a sheet of metal instead of a vent.

I didn't say anything about you.

The bent videocard is disturbing, I've seen a few like that, but most of the time it's from the weight of a huge aftermarket cooler.

The PSU is fine, if it didnt have bottom vents that's how he would have to mount it.

I can't see much of the H60, but rear mounting is fine.

I wouldn't say it's "fine". More like "it's not going to break anything", because it's far from optimal.

The whole point there's a vent at the bottom is for it to be installed that way, and the back vent means the radiator is going to be drawing in hot case air, instead of using the top vent and pulling in cool air. It's just dumb, but not "you broke it" dumb.

I used to have a massive ThermalRight 80 heatpipe copperwtf heatsink on my old video card, and it never was at that much of an angle. It also bent downward, not upward...

That's why I want to see an above photo, so I can see the slot. That slot has to be either bent, or it's not even in the slot. There's just no way.

Yeah, it looks to me like it's not really in the slot if I had to guess. Can't really tell though without seeing a better picture.

Hell, my 3-slot card doesn't even bend downward nearly as much as that's bent upward.

It may actually be right up against the slot, which would imply that it's fine (PCBs are designed to flex somewhat) and it doesn't work because its not plugged in.

That's what I'm expecting to see. That said, it's not the PCB itself you have to worry about with flex, it's all the solder points that you stress along the chips.

For a great example of what happens when PCBs flex too much: see the RROD on the Xbox 360.

I actually have a rather badly bent motherboard on the secondary core 2 system I have, it prevents the cooler from locking in 100%, although it's close, and thus jumps the temps by about 20'c

edit: deleted - double post.

I rang them last night and we discussed the PU. They (IBuyPower) deliberately mount it upside down (ie pulling air from within the case) as they have had a number of carpet related issues. It seems that people have been putting their PCs (with PUs pulling air from the intake on the bottom of the case) down on the carpeted floor and then get all shirty when the PU overheats.

I can understand IBP mounting the PU the way they have. I unscrewed it, flipped it over and screwed it back in - no problem at all. Must remember not to put it on the carpet.
Why is rear instead of top mounted 'far from optimal'? My PC will be going on a non carpeted stand beside my desk and I would actually prefer the fans blowing air out the back and not out the top (the top will be almost flush with the top of my desk).
I only have a limited number of photo's with the GPU installed by IBP. I pulled it out yesterday morning (before posting here) so I don't have any more than what I have (see below).

I reseated the GPU in the mobo expansion slot and now it lines up very well with the case. Screwing it in didn't put anywhere near the stress on it that you could see in the original install. I have no idea why - I didn't move the mobo around or anything like that. Oh - and plugging in the monitor and turning the PC on all works.







I am currently working on the crap cable job ... isolating 1 cable at a time and utilizing the case set up to clean it all up. The back of the mobo isn't that pretty at the moment but it is much better than it was.

My SATA cables are way to long (18" or so) and it looks like I can get away with 6-10" cables. Anyone got any good suggestions on what type to get (are those linked any good)? With or without locking latch?

I ran a win7 rating on my PC and everything except the disk o/i was 7.3 to 7.4 ... disk i/o was 5.9 :(. Suggestions for improving that?

Oh - and the H60 liquid tubes run pretty close to the new RAM that I installed ... any problem with rotating the CPU part of it 90 degrees?

You should have shown IBP pictures of the bent GPU.

I wouldn't worry about the H60. Clearly IBP has done something custom there, they setup a push-pull system using two fans. I would check to see if it's setup as intake or exhaust (is it pulling air into the case or pushing it out?). There are good arguement's to be made for either setup, Corsair will recommend using intake because it will make their cpu temp's look 1-2C better but if you have a highend GPU or multiple GPU's you might not want to be dumping all that hot air into your case. Either way, I'd recommend you leave it. I've tested both setup's the difference is insignificant.

Basically with Windows 7 Rating system- you need a SSD as your OS drive to score better than 5.9. Other than waiting a few more seconds at loading screens an I/O rating of 5.9 wont limit your performance.

You should be able to rotate the CPU waterblock 90 degrees without an issues, just make sure your dont stress or flex the tubing too much. For the best CPU temps, if you seperate the waterblock from the CPU you should really clean off and reapply the thermal paste.