Jin is the best spidy-fragger ever. Period.

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Map-Review | Digital Core | The Matrix: Unplugged

Farewell, MaDaVentor. In our hearts, you'll always live on.

Black Widow - red hour glass on the underside
Brown Recluse - violin shape on its back/neck-like-area-thing

Really the main thing that creeps me out about Black Widows is that alot of times they're really small... X_x
I remember there was a tiny black spider running across the floor once... I didn't think anything of it (actually hardly noticed it because it was so little) ... didn't realize until after I killed it that it was a black widow :x

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Do you have stairs in your house?

[This message has been edited by Correction (edited January 02, 2004).]

He's watching you

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Member of the Minneassian Council

I hate you, Monoxide.

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Frightening the very small and very old since 1952.

Creepy. Remind me to check the inside of my case daily for spider nests.

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Have a good one,
Freelancer

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Get busy living or get busy dying. - Andy Dufresne

Did you know in the average person's lifetime they swallow at least 8 spiders in their sleep?

I just puked up my intestines.

Thats sick.
I thought i was over my fear of spidies.
Not anymore

/pukes some more

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/spiders.htm

I said lifetime not year.
And I got that off a Snapple bottle cap.

Well, now you just have to torch your computer. Burn them all the hell!!!!

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Aren't they in Australia already?

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Map-Review | Digital Core | The Matrix: Unplugged

Farewell, MaDaVentor. In our hearts, you'll always live on.

Yeeap... Time to slit my throat...



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Massassian since: March 12, 2001

[=-"The hardest thing is to forgive, but God does;
Even if you murdered or robbed, years wrong, but God loves;
Take one step toward him, he takes two toward you;
Even when all else fail, God supports you." - Nas-=]

Spiders wouldn't be stupid enough to go near your open mouth.

You're braver than I am, Jin. Spiders, or any insectlike creature for that matter, turn me into a little girl.

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All you need is love.

*Twitch*
ick. I don't think I'd ever manage to kill them all...I'd be too busy running for my life.
*huggles*

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Tell me not in mournful numbers, Life is but an empty dream, For the soul is dead that slumbers, and things are not as they seem. Life is real, Life is ernest, the grave is not it's goal; Dust thou art, Dust thou returnest, Was not spoken of the soul.
~William Shakespeare

Urgh. At least here in the UK spiders are non-existant, especially in my location. Then again, my room is probably too much of a biohazard to sustain anything.

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Yeah, but you know what? This one, this one right here, this was my dream, my wish, and it didn't come true. So I'm takin' it back. I'm takin' 'em all back.

My brother woke up one morning and there were a bunch of little black dots on his cieling. They were surrounding the tubed light cover (not sure of the right term for the light) and they happened to be spiders. He got the vacuum out and started getting to work, but if I remember correctly more appeared later.

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"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity."

-Albert Einstein

That's scary man...but you know what by reading that I imaginged to be scarier?

Imagine hundreds if little tiny spiders, like no bigger than a dime, inside your computer, so many that it's like the inside of an ants nest...

Reminds me of the time I opened this stone step on this area of dirt in my back yard, underneath were about 100 holes in the dirt, and for each hole was about 50 eggs and 100 ants...if not more. They were all scurrying and moving, I got closer to see it close up cause I was curious...I almost thought the ants were going to jump into the air onto my face...instead they moved swiftly to my leg and I was all brushing them away. The most freakiest thing I've seen...I hate bugs.

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I'm going to go out and do stuff, like besides work. Call up ben, hang out. Maybe see the last samurai, go skydiving, whatever.
Get back into the gym...
I want to do stuff that prevents me from playin video games so I can only play them a few hours a day, basically.
(Formally Veger, who died when he lost his e-mail adress, and his password. Veeger still looks for his old pass...)

Best way to remember that it's the other way around is that Brown recluses usually go by the name Fiddlebacks.

Black widows are ugly things, they look like they're wearing leather too. I've only seen on in my life and that was because I was looking under big rocks we had in our yard at our old house. Fortunately I've never seen any in the house.

One time though I did see a spider that had orange and black stripes on it's butt, it was crawling out from underneith this tile on a step at a house we had to live at for awhile. Ugly thing, kinda looked like a black window except for the orange on it's butt.

One spider I hate most though is garden spider's. Now I've never actually seen them in a public area, but I went on this nature tour thing through some weird park. On one of the trails there was this HUGE FRICKIN WEB right off to the side and there was one of those golden garden spiders right in the middle of it. THEY ARE UGLY! It's bad enough they have thin spindly legs, but CLAWS TOO?!

One really sucky spider story I've been told has me in it, but I was asleep at the time of it. I was laying on my stomach at the foot of my mom's bed watching tv one day when I was real little, and she said she came in to do some stuff and saw some weird thing in the tv's light. (Since the angle she was at, she was looking straight into the tv)

She looked a little bit more at what it was, and it was a spider coming down from the cieling fan descending right for my back. She squashed it though. Just the thought of a spider running over a my back...not right.

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"We came, we saw, we conquered, we...woke up!"

Before you read, look here:
http://troyb.com/photo/images/photos/00007024.jpg

And here:

http://troyb.com/photo/images/photos/00014093.jpg

Now how could you harm that tiny, defenseless creature?

Feel free to have no respect for me as a spider, but do respect all other spiders. Spiders form such a vital part of the world's ecosystem that they deserve that respect. Certainly they play a more vital part than we humans. Just as plant life does, spiders help make the world inhabitable, by preying on many species that could prove dangerous to us and our way of life if they got a chance to multiply.

Oh, everyone picks on spiders. A few points: Firstly, more people die by bee than spider. And oh, everyone just loves those loveable furry little bees, don't they. Yet another indictment of modern society's astounding reliance on the twin crutches of:

1 - Outdated, almost Victorian superstition regarding spiders.

2 - Slavish pandering to the irrational asthetic of "if I dislike the way it looks, I shall impose an artificially evil persona onto it."

Secondly, I can think of about three species of spider offhand worldwide that are aggressive enough AND venomous enough to pose an active threat to humans. (I mean spiders that won't just try to attack you if you step on them, urinate on them or otherwise profane all that is sacred in their lives. No doubt you would bite the leg of a giant spider if it "accidentally" stepped on you.) This TINY TINY percentage of the population of spiders that intentionally attacks humans is VASTLY OUTWEIGHED by the huge proportion of frankly ignorant and/or MALICIOUS humans who will kill spiders ON PRINCIPLE. They do little but help us, and all you people out there (you know who you are) would do well to remember that fact. A child who grows up thinking there is nothing wrong with stamping on ants, spiders, beetles and other arthropods is learning to de-sensitise themselves to the value of the life of other living organisms, nothing more, nothing less. A spider has as much right to life as any animal, dog, cat, snake or any other assorted pet you care to mention. It wasn't so long ago that people could torture mammals to death legally, for no better reason than a whim. Why? Because they didn't like them.

As to common misconceptions: Spiders do not carry disease. They are not "dirty". The Tarantula, so beloved by the filmmaker and rightly called the red-kneed spider, is not one of the species whose bite is dangerous to humans, no matter what the movies have told you. Spiders are not malicious, and they're not "out to get you". Regardless of "how fast they move", the vast majority of spiders will move AWAY from you if they get the chance.

I hated the way spiders looked until I began studying them. My idiot older sister had engendered a great fear of spiders in me since childhood because whenever one appeared she would dance around like a buffoon screaming her head off. Well, children are led by example. Only when I became old enough to have a mind of my OWN did I feel a responsibility to LEARN about these creatures that filled me with such dread. I learned, and I came to respect the creature, and I stood in awe at the sheer variety of different methods they use to live and to carry on living. A spider's life is HARD. Always hungry, never at rest, pursued by parasites, wasps, centipedes... Oh, and a bunch of screaming nancies who want to crush them because they don't like the way they move.

Okay, some of you may be feeling on the defensive now. You may be feeling as if I've attacked you in some way. Well, the only thing I'm attacking is YOUR IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOUR.

Let me put it this way: The chances of you being killed by a spider are astronomical. ASTRONOMICAL. The chances of you being harmed by a spider are remote. You may have cringed at the story that began this thread, but Huntsman Spiders are a relatively harmless breed. They may bite you if provoked, but barring allergy or EXTREME OLD AGE the worst that will happen is brief pain. Maybe some swelling. So what do you have against spiders? OH YES, AN IRRATIONAL FEAR!

So you feel you have the right to kill spiders just because you're irrationally afraid of them? Some people are afraid of dogs. Should they go around knocking off the neighborhood pets? I think not. But of course, if you have no moral compass that argument won't have any effect on you. Budding sociopaths are exempt and may leave now.

"Dogs are cute!" you may say. Well there are plenty of ugly breeds of dogs. I'd like to see you squeamish individuals stamp repeatedly on a bulldog's head until it died in support of your moral proviso. Maybe we should favour a retro-abortion if someone gives birth to an ugly child. Your ideal of the visual asthetic does NOT entitle you to take life indiscriminately.

"Dogs have feelings!" Scientists don't agree. Not the same feelings as US, that is. That's the excuse they give for performing EXPERIMENTS ON DOGS. Spiders likewise. But spiders have organs like a brain, a heart, a lung, eyes, a nervous system. They exhibit pain responses, and show fear and agitation. I'd say that qualifies them as having feelings. After all, I can't be sure that other HUMANS have feelings. They may be faking. I think I'll give them the benefit of the doubt though. Likewise for spiders.

"We slaughter animals, so why shouldn't I kill spiders?" We slaughter animals for a REASON, hopefully. So unless you've made a very small pair of boots or a handbag out of the hide of every spider you've ever bludgeoned to death, your argument doesn't hold water. Sorry.

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Finally if this "spiders popping out of PC tower" thing should ever happen to anyone else, note that the spiders inside your PC are there because it is an enclosed, well defended space. Simply open up your tower by removing as much of the casing as possible, leave it out in the open for a few hours, preferably on a dry and sunny day, wet PCs are of no use to anyone, and most of the creatures should have left by the end of that time. Gently brush the rest away. This works for any object that you might find a nest of baby spiders in.

Never harm a spider. One might save your life one day. Remember: a lot of spiders already have. Imagine a world run by crickets, flies, roaches, wasps, Frodo, clones of Jerry Springer... Scratch the last one. Although maybe I could breed a really huge brazillian wandering and mail it to old Jerry, do the world a favour.

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Spider AL
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[edit]

In response to Spider AL's post..
Do you live in the US? If you do, you will know that you have the right to shoot an intruder in your home. Now, inside my home, it is not a forest. There is not an ecosystem in here. A spider is an unwanted visitor in my home. Should I just politely ask them to leave, and if the don't, let them take over my home, untill the point where I accidently walk into one of their webs, and they mistake part of my body for lunch? I don't care if a spider is harmless to me, I don't want them in here. Are you to say I don't have the right to make that descision? Should I just let all creatures of the world come and go through my home as they please? Here's something to think about - a bird eating spider doesn't make a web, it burrows into the ground. Now, if another creature enters that burrow, the spider isn't going to let it walk all over it's home, it's going to try and scare it out, and if that doesn't work, it will kill it. Now, you'd probably say I should have tried to scare the spiders out of my home. After all, I am bigger than them. But how on earth am I supposed to "scare" them out? Sure, I could have done something, but they wouldn't have left. They would have just hid somewhere inside my house, where I couldn't get to them. After all, my house is a whole lot bigger than a burrow.

Spiders have plenty of room OUTSIDE to live. They don't need to be in my home.

Don't pick at humans for having an "irrational" fear of spiders. Sure, I admit spiders scare the hell out of me. The little ones I don't mind, but I don't want them around my home, so I get rid of them. The big one's on the other hand, they scare me. I don't know why, but they do. Which is why I don't want those in my home either, so I get rid of them, too. I'm not out to kill every spider on the planet. If I see a spider outside, I won't touch it. And me killing the spiders in my own home isn't at all going to damage the ecosystem. There are probably a good couple of THOUSAND fully grown huntsmen spiders in this town right now. And probably a good few thousand more baby ones on the way.

So please, don't tell people to not kill spiders. If you walked into a spiders home, he'd kill you, too.

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I was pretty lucky, actually. Things could have been a lot worse. The first spider that I saw come out was probably only the 3rd or 4th to emerge from the nest. If I had of slept in any long, who knows how many more might have gotten out before I realized what was going on.

I've been thinking over when the huntsmen first got in there, and I think I figured it out..

On the 24th, I went to my sisters house for christmas. As a precautionary measure, I put my PC on the floor, and covered everything with a bed sheet. (My kitchen window doesn't have a curtain, and there's been talk of kids breaking into places in the neighbourhood.)
When I got home (on the 26th) the first thing I did was put the PC back on the table. It was only later that day I started it up. It would have been not long after then, that the big huntsmen crawled out.. He probably thought "Crikey it's gettin' noisy in 'ere. Think I might be gettin' out now."

I think I might get another can of that outdoors spray, and perhaps give the outside of my computer a bit of a run over. I would like to avoid future repeats of this incident at all costs..


Oh, and for everyone that said I was brave.. I was terrified. When the first few babies came out, I was still only in a towl after just getting out of the shower. I went out and put some shorts on, but I figured that they couldn't bite me, and as much as I hate having spiders touch me, if I had my arms and legs still exposed, I'd be able to feel if any got on me, so I would be able to kill them. I didn't want any crawling on me without me knowing. That's a thought I find even more creepy..
It took me about 10 mins before I actually managed to remove the face plate and throw it in the bath (5 mins thinking time, 5 mins to get up the nerve to go near the computer..)
I was sweating and panicing for the most part. Only one ever got on my arm, and that scared the absolute **** out of me. But it kinda got to a point that I knew if I let it go, there'd just be even more spiders.. Ugh. After I killed the hundred or so that were still in the face plate in the bath, the last that got out I wasn't as scared about, it was more of a "I'm going to kill you little basterds for this!" type thing. I was more just pissed off at them, than anything. But that's not to say that whenever one of them showed itself, I didn't scream like a little girl..


The bug bomb did it's job. I've not only found a few more dead baby huntsmen, but also some dead moths, a few dead daddy long leg spiders and two little dead black spiders. And since I used the outdoor spray, I havn't seen any bugs come in, or any out side.

Note: I did very briefly consider the flame thrower option, but I didn't have a lighter, and I really didn't want to damage anything. I would also advise not situating your PC on the floor..

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"When all else fails, eat pie."
-¬thoughts from beyond observance

[This message has been edited by Jin (edited January 02, 2004).]

OH MY GOD NO PICTURES I'M FREAKING OUT HELP AHH CRAP I AM GOING TO DIE CALL HOSPITAL TOO FREAKY OH GOD CRAP SAVE ME

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To myself I surrender to the one I'll never please.
But I still try to run on.
You know I still try to run on. But it's all or none.

Eddie Vedder

Am I the only one who thinks spiders are cool?
Example:
A tarantula! There like big fuzzy teddy bears

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Kilroy Was Here

Jin: Yes I suppose in a way I am getting at you, you specifically, the same way I'd get at anyone who was unnecessarily cruel to animals.

Haha, thank you for playing right into the hands of the pro-spider camp. You're allowed to shoot an intruder in your home BECAUSE you have cause to believe your life and the lives of your family are in peril. Your attempt to compare what is normally a drug-crazed felon who wouldn't think twice about beating your head in if it gave them money, to a selection of small DEFENCELESS SPIDERS, is laughable and frankly stupid.

What if the neighbors' poodle wandered into your home in hope of a cookie? A poodle no matter how cute could do you more harm with its fangs than a huntsman spider could. So would you shoot it? No? Beat it to death? No? Drown it? No? What? Give it back to the neighbor unharmed?

Why didn't you kill it? It's an intruder after all.

Ohh, because you know it won't hurt you? WELL NEITHER WILL THE SPIDERS!

I'm afraid all you've succeeded in doing by mentioning US law is make yourself look like a hypocrite.

No, as I said in my post, one carries spiders out. Use a leg-lock if necessary, (you have eight to choose from) but non-lethal restraint is all that's required.

You should feel VERY VERY BAD that you took so many small lives. VERY guilty. Of course you don't, but criminals rarely feel guilty, isn't that so?

I've proven logically that your fear is irrational, I've proven logically that your actions were morally reprehensible by most moral standards. You cannot defend these positions.

The reason I'm here posting about it isn't to stop you doing the same thing again, because I doubt I could get through to someone who would do such a thing without thought in the first place. No, I'm here to try to get the message across to those who are less set in their ways than you.



I get rid of spiders, by removing them from my house. YOU on the other hand, KILL them. COMPLETELY different. What is it with people like you, "out of sight out of mind" is it? Well I care what happens to my garbages like any good human should.

No, he wouldn't. He's not ABLE to. We are bigger than huntsman spiders, we are invulnerable. Even an army of them couldn't prevail against ONE of us. WE hold their lives IN OUR HANDS. We have the choice... be a tyrant, or a saviour. I'm sure you like to think of yourself as the latter, but you've shown that you're the former. Abuse of power is one of the worst sins. Whether you change is up to you, they even do courses in spider-re-education. Good day Jin.

Overlord, you'd better believe they're cool.

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A small defencless spider could still kill a person. They could crawl into your mouth while you sleep, blocking off your airway, and cause you to choke. This may just be my own paranoia, but I still look at it as a possibility, if only a very small possibility. Laughable, yes. Stupid, matter of opinion.

If the neighbours' poodle walked into my home, I would kick it out. True, a dog could potentially do more harm than a spider, but you have to take some things into account -
Am I comfortable with a dog in my home?
How easily can I remove the dog from my home if I want to?
The chances of a dog coming into my home when I don't want it to.

Now, I did say I could have got the spiders out without killing them. But I didn't know how to, and I'm not going to try and pick up 100 odd spiders by their legs and throw them out side - they'd probably just come right on back in anyways. I could have tried removing the entire case, but that old irrational fear thing was kicking in, and I certainly felt vulnerable.
Now, back to the poodle. For one, I don't really like dogs. Now, I wouldn't kill it for a few reasons. For one, there's no need to. I can get it to leave - dogs are certainly more intelligent than spiders, so I could have got it to leave on its own will. If that didn't work, I could maybe scared it out. Hell, I could probably just pick the thing up and carry it out. I can't really at all justify why I wouldn't kill a dog and why I'd kill a spider. You've definately got me there. I know a dog could hurt me, and I know a spider could hurt me, also. You can't say that anyone can know that a god won't hurt you. Hell, a cat or even a bird can hurt you. I can't say that beautiful rose bush outside can't hurt me, because it has thorns on it. And believe me, they hurt. You can't say that a spider will undoubtably not hurt you. It depends on the spider, and also depends on the mind state of the person. In my case, I do have an irrational fear of spiders. Why? I don't know. But it's there, and I havn't thrown the country's ecosystem out of whack from killing spiders, so I really don't see the big deal.

If spiders stay the hell away from me, I stay the hell away from them. Any nasty ones wanting to set up camp in my house however will see the underside of my shoe, I don't care how cute they really are.

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Cantina Cloud | BCF | The Massassian & A Very Massassian Xmas
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

I can't imagine how long it must take for you to type your posts, spider al, having to crawl across the keyboard and all.

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All you need is love.

thats why I'm staying up till in die!

Ha! Who's smarter NOW eh spidey?

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

You people...are having a debate...on spiders.

Not politics, not religion...spiders.



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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

Y'know me, Tracer. It seems I attract these things.

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"When all else fails, eat pie."
-¬thoughts from beyond observance

I can't say much for spiders, I don't mind them, but when it comes to me and wasps, it's a WAR, man. I'll actually go out of my way to kill one of those evil things...

I've found tennis rackets to be of the most effective methods.

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Do you have stairs in your house?

Yeah... that bananna is dancing in celebration, right?

So where were the spiders while the flies tried to break her balls?

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All you need is love.

Flies.. break.. balls..?

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"When all else fails, eat pie."
-¬thoughts from beyond observance

The spiders and flies and balls line is from Ziggy Stardust by David Bowie.

MOST. TERRIFYING. THINGS. EVER.

If I ever go to aussieland I am SO requesting that they fumigate the entire ****ing continent for those things. I'm terrified of the little daddy long legs that we get here... jesus...

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I'll admit to Reactor CTF, Duel Abyss, Duel Turbulent, and even the CCCP, but not Sky High! (my first, be kind!) Ok so maybe I will.

Haha, I cant believe how scared you guys of spiders!!

We have had funnel webs in our bathroom, and if there isnt a huntsman hanging around in each room then there must be something wrong. Here is one I grabbed a photo of, enjoy!



It was hard to measure him cause he ran pretty quick.


Btw if you want to remove the spider, follow these easy steps:
If its not venomes pick it up in your hand and quickly close your fingers, next throw it in the garden.

If your not sure, or dont like the idea of touching it then get a container, like a margarine container, quickly put it over the spider... so its hard up against the wall. Next slide a piece of thin cardboard under it and slide your hand under it holding it firm on the container. Next deposit the spider in your fauvorite garden.

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Team Battle.

Would that include my neighbour's?


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Map-Review | Digital Core | The Matrix: Unplugged

Farewell, MaDaVentor. In our hearts, you'll always live on.

omfg thank god I live in england.
The most dangerous animals we have are slightly peeved badgers and squirrels! FEAR!

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<Cazor> dude, i am so giving my gay friend your number.
<Cazor> bwahaha. owned.
<Ruthven> NO!!!!!!!!!!
<Cazor> yeah. and he's pretty persistant.
<d-_-b> haha
for the record... I'm NOT GAY!

[This message has been edited by clan ruthervain (edited January 03, 2004).]

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

The only spiders we have around the house here in cairns are these tiny little things which even I've no problem with thankfully.....and how can you not like daddy long leg spiders? I absolutely hate spiders but back in Sydney I had no problem at all with daddy long legs...they just don't look like the rest of the nasty *******s, hell, I never even used to care if they walked on me and I usually mega-freak at that kinda thing

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Cantina Cloud | BCF | The Massassian & A Very Massassian Xmas
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

NOTE: If anyone thinks I'm being overly harsh on Jin, think about how you'd feel if a massassian slit a cat's belly open, then came onto the forums and BOASTED about it. I've already proven that there's no logical moral difference between such an act and what Jin did, so unless you can argue with simple logic, I'd sit back and enjoy if I were you.

Correction: Evil is a human concept. Going out of your way to take the life of something that isn't a threat to you might qualify.

dry gear the frog: You have no idea.

Jaiph: Spiders don't know that your house is off-limits. So until you learn to write spider and leave some warning signs up, I'd advise you to show some respect to what is another living organism simply trying to make its way in the world... and is no threat to you.

Jin: Well thank you for suggesting that and saving me time. It's not only paranoid, it's laughable. Oh, you admitted that too. I don't see you going around drowning baseball players on the offchance that you get hit by a stray baseball one day. Which is more likely to happen.

Spiders don't like wet, moving and LIVING places. You have more chance of being struck by lightning than you have of being even mildly disturbed by a spider in the face. It's idiotic. You have just admitted that your whole reason for disliking spiders in your home is idiotic.

And how exactly can you call your own reasoning "laughable" and in the same sentence quite happily imply that it's not "stupid"? If an idea is laughable it's usually because it's laughably stupid, as in this case.

KICK it out? Literally? I would hope not. That would probably be illegal. I know you don't care whether it's amoral or not.

No that's not the question. The question is why are you more comfortable with a dog in your home than a spider if you've JUST ADMITTED THAT A DOG COULD DO YOU MORE HARM? Yet more proof that you're irrational.

lol, carrying the bloody PC outside sounds like a solid start to me. Now you're claiming ignorance? ignorance is no excuse for slaughtering things.

The amount of time and energy you spent running around screaming like a girlie girl, and painstakingly torturing small harmless spiders to death could have been better spent. Carry the PC outside, put it on a table. Leave it in your porch. Leave it in your basement. Your attic. Get a neigbor to help, if you're too weak and wobbly to carry a PC. You'll save energy. I don't give a crap whether there are spiders in my house. I only ever have to remove them because of squeamish visitors. I live a happy and carefree life. I don't hide behind a pillow every night with a can of bugspray shivering because some little harmless creature might look sideways at me.

I'm happier than you. I look at the world I live in, and I see what is a hazard to me and what is not. You seem to feel the need to MANUFACTURE hazards IN YOUR HEAD. Isn't life hard enough? Apparently not. Maybe you're just bored.

There's no need to kill spiders either. Kthxbye, don't kill any more.

Thank you for admitting your hypocrisy and irrationality. Now change your ways.

WHAT? How silly. Wonder what it takes to get through... Sigh. Okay, let's start again. You cannot argue that you have as much chance of specifically being run over by a taxi cab as you do of being killed by a venomous spider. You are not, I presume, afraid of the sight of taxi cabs as a rule? No? Once again I've proved that you're irrational.

Your idea of choking on a spider is nonsense, by the way. It's something you've fixated on, and there's more chance of Michael Jackson abseiling through your roof and throwing a fatal custard pie at you. No doubt the idea of that occurance doesn't fill you with fear? Then stop obsessing over eight-legged asphyxiation and rejoin us on planet Earth.

Thank you for admitting that your fear is irrational. It's your responsibility to change it, being rational is the least one can ask of a person. As for the "country's ecosystem," you think that makes what you did right? Murdering people doesn't affect the country's ecosystem. Child molestation doesn't affect the country's ecosystem. Stabbing a dog in the eyes to see what colour the fluids inside are doesn't affect the country's ecosystem. Are ANY OF THOSE THREE THINGS RIGHT? No. Of COURSE they're not. So how you can sit there and claim that what you did wasn't wrong, is beyond me. Maybe you're just as irrational in your opinions as you are in your fears.

Oh read properly. I've already proven that it's BOTH irrational AND morally reprehensible by common standards, standards which you seem to happily accept in all other respects except that relating to spiders.

Umm, I don't know if they went through this at school, but mentioning something you consider to be WORSE doesn't absolve you of responsibility for your OWN amoral act.

Burglar is brought up in front of the judge: "How do you plead, burglar?" "I plead not guilty by reason that some people MURDER OTHER PEOPLE your honour! Now isn't that worse?" lol

You feel you have the right to kill something because you have taken an IRRATIONAL (and you admitted this) dislike to it. Where the heck do you get off. It's dispicable.

Asked and answered, read above please.

It's a Jedi Outcast paraphrase, have you played the game? Pfft.

And if you took a dislike to the way I moved, and you could GET AWAY WITH IT, you'd kill me, and you can't defend that. We can both manufacture silly and unrealistic comparisons, can't we. I wouldn't though, if I were you, I can obviously think of better ones than you.

Can you even read your own text? "Oh yeah, I hang cats up by a hook embedded in their genitals. Stop? Why? They haven't asked me yet."

It's high time that people like you realised that just because something's legal doesn't make it acceptable. Rape and murder of ethnic minorities wasn't illegal, not so long ago. Was it right, when it was legal? Of course not, it was always wrong. It's high time you started serving the MORALS that the laws STEMMED from, instead of looking for ways you can be a SADIST that the law won't punish you for. Be better people. There's no difference between what Jin did and what the man who beats his pet dog to death or microwaves his kitten does.

Just about everything else in your post is repetitive of previous posts Jin.

You've admitted that:

- Your fear of spiders is irrational.

- You could have dealt with the situation in a less sadistic fashion

And I have proven that:

- what you did was unnecessary animal cruelty

- It was amoral by most accepted moral standards

So QED really. I'm looking forward to seeing whether you can come up with something new, not that there's any argument you could give.

As I've said before though, I'm putting forward the obvious truth. I don't expect it to reach anyone who is hopelessly inured to the suffering of other lifeforms, I expect to reach people who aren't quite there yet. Athankyou.

/me takes a bow.

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