First of all, that's not an analogy. At least it wasn't intended to be. I hate analogies. Second, since when are you the authority on morality? Unfortunately, society is what dictates murder to be wrong; not pure truth. What authority do you have to tell me that murder is worse than homosexuality? It doesn't matter that you're depriving another human of life. Who's to say that's a bad thing? You? And if so, for what reasons?

Third, you can't honestly tell me that homosexuality has no ill effects on, well, the individual. Every action has effects..

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But not everyone considers those commandments to be valid guidleines. If someone doesn't subscribe to your religion does that then absolve them of sin? (actually curious, not trying to call you out on it)



yeah I hate it when one person is allowed to express love for another person. Too much emphasis is placed on the fact that Mr X loves a man. Mr X loving Mr Y is no different than Mr X loving Ms Y. Spread the love people.



Because only stupid people are breeding.

Enough with this 'n00b' business already. When someone registered/started visiting here has nothing to do with this dicussion.

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Corrupting the kiddies since '97

For Laiho's sake, You've no idea what you're advancing.

But I'll stop there. I'm not one to get elitist about my time here, but it seems you are.



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* Cave_Demon steals Seb's underwear (underwear stolen: 39)

Good God. I'm beginning to regret checking "Send E-mail Notification." My inbox is STUFFED.

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NMGOH

Please, before I go on a tirade were you replying to the morally part or phsically part?



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Im not sure if you know this or not but the base of the United States Conistutaion are the 10 commandments.

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Nauree, have the respect and maturity to attact people on the basis of their arguments, not on the basis of "omg stfu noob." I'm not even going to bother going into the actual issue of how new some people here are.

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I'd agree, but that whole 2nd amendment thing conflicts with one of the commandments...

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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
Jack Chick preaches it
NMGOH

That's just my point. There IS one right set of guidelines out there, and, obviously, they don't change. They are absolute. They don't change just because society does. If someone doesn't "subscribe" to these guidelines, I believe it DOES absolve them of their sin. It's sort of a "where much is given, much is required" type of thing.

For example: If god revealed himself to you, and all of his pure commandments to you, he holds you to your knowledge, whereas person X who hasn't received his truth would be judged according to how much truth they've been given and truly understand.

That's what I and my religion believe.

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less than you are.

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fear the evil pointy finger of death. yu-gi-oh Dub.

You realise that by being at Massassi you're doing just that?

"Nauree, have the respect and maturity to attact people on the basis of their arguments, not on the basis of "omg stfu noob." I'm not even going to bother going into the actual issue of how new some people here are."

You sure thats me? You might wana check alpha1 and Sebs post. I was just trying to stand up that I'v probly known massassi longer than Seb. Im not the one compairing register date to noob.

Edit: "You realise that by being at Massassi you're doing just that?"

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[This message has been edited by Nauree (edited December 07, 2003).]

I'm going to completely ignore Nauree because he's ignorant and shows absolutely no desire to educate himself, and probably never will. The sooner you guys realize that he can't be swayed, the sooner this argument will end.

Now, in regard to statements made by avenger216 and Checksum, why do you think talking about homosexuality, within the context in which that boy was talking about it, is wrong?


Not talking about homosexuality isn't going to make it go away. Homosexuality isn't spread by word of mouth, or any other means. Do you honestly think that someone who learns about it is going to say, "Homosexuality, eh? I never thought of that! I think I'm going to be gay too!"

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Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

yet as i said, we have a whole damn (finaly, i can say a word when i am ticked to show that i am serious and annoyed that isn;t cenored) religous forum. i you cant find it then you obiously only visited the front page once. otherwise you would have seen it if you scrolled down

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fear the evil pointy finger of death. yu-gi-oh Dub.

I already gave my reason. Murder kills another human being.....and if you don't see that as a valid reason why I consider murder worse than homosexuality or why I think murder is a bad thing then I'm honestly at a loss.



Which is why I guess we're just not going to agree on this point as I don't look to the Bible for guidance. I'm not saying that makes either of us right or wrong, just with somewhat incompatible trains of thought on this.

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Corrupting the kiddies since '97

Thank you CygnusX. Untill someone shows me something higher than the word of God or proves to me God doesnt exist, no one will change my mind about homosexuality. And saying that not accepting homosexuality is not educating your self or something to that extent is in a way saying, that if you belive in the bible, that the bible is wrong.

Edit: In responce to alpha1 - I agree we should move this to the relgion form and just let it die. And please alpha1, as Iv been trying to do recently. Learn to type better.

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[This message has been edited by Nauree (edited December 07, 2003).]

yet you have only recently started posting. unless you have a way to proove that noone will believe you.

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fear the evil pointy finger of death. yu-gi-oh Dub.

There's nothing wrong with having some of your basis of beliefs and argument from the Bible, in my opinion. But if you're making an argument you don't use ONE source of information to support it, you use many.

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The Bible also says "Love thy neighbor", or do you just skip over the parts that don't conform with your malformed ignoramic views on life?



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TimeWolfOfThePast - You shouldnt need more than one source if your using the bible.

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[This message has been edited by Nauree (edited December 07, 2003).]

Try to do a term paper or a persuasive essay using only one source and tell me what grade you get.

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[This message has been edited by TimeWolfOfThePast (edited December 07, 2003).]

exactly. Even in year seven you need to use more than one source for projects.

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fear the evil pointy finger of death. yu-gi-oh Dub.

I thought so...

Which is why it puzzles me that you're still posting. On your own logic, you should have either "become gay" or left since you don't want to associate with gay people. Or maybe, you know, it's really not a big deal...

The main basis of Jesus is that He loves all... Therefore since we Christians aspire to be like Jesus therefore we should love all people as well... However just because we love all people that doesn't mean we can't reach out to them.

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"So there I was completely naked and covered in tartar sauce..."

I can see why they would do this (Note- I do not agree with this, but I can see their reasoning) IF the kid was calling someone else gay that wasn't. (Using it as an insult.)

But calling someone gay when they are.. and it's obvious they are.. (i.e. I have two mothers.) It's like a black person saying "Don't call me black!"

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First of all, the main topic: The boy is definitely being wronged. He did not choose to have lesbian mothers, and he was putting gay into proper context. Hell if the school actually looked in a dictionary, rephrasing it to have both man and a woman in there would still be in context.

Copy and pasted quote from the article:
"Gay is when a girl likes another girl"
Could've even been:
"Gay is when a guy likes a girl"



So obviously the boy wasn't in error at all and the people in charge of that school are a bunch of idiots. These people are supposed to be educating when they're ignoring even the most obvious. Pathetic.

Second issue: I'm not even gonna bother with all that religion stuff, I think that's best left for a debate related to that.

Now, actual acceptance of gays. One thing I think that really corrupts the image of gays is things like movies or tv shows, they always show gays as overly sexual, hardly ever do they show them as just normal people. So obviously there are going to be people out there who watch tv and think that that those are the regular actions of a gay person. Ignoring the fact that obviously they would all differ.

I have been around a few gay guys, and they were just like anybody else I talked to. Never was anything odd or anything like that. Obviously just because I know gays that are cool people, doesn't mean that all of them are. There are going to be some bad apples out there. But there are countless people that are bad apples that are heteros as well.

Since when has beating up someone else based on their own preference been useful? How is beating up gays to set them "straight" ok? Nauree, I noticed you failed to see the Hitler comparison. Well considering he sentenced to death several gay people, simply because they were gay. Well obviously that is a very logical comparison.

It's one thing to be uncomfortable with homosexuality, I mean I think it'd be very disgusting to do it with a guy and such. But that's what I think, doesn't mean it should go for everybody. Hey I think cheesecake is gross, but there are several people who think different.

We're not always going to agree, so how is it that when it comes to sexuality, hetero is the only way? When you think about it, both homo and hetero have their extreme parts. I mean S&M and such does go several ways, and yet that hasn't been labeled wrong by the whole hetero community. Why? Because it's ok for heteros to go into extreme sexualitys, but gays to have any sort of sex? NO NO NO WRONG!

It's pointless, it's just a huge basket of hypocricy. It's one thing when you yourself think it's wrong, and don't agree with it. That's your opinion, ok fine. But to those that think their opinion should be followed by everyone because they're hetero, why? What makes you so high and mighty?

Saying it's ok for gays to be discriminated against is basically saying a human should be discriminated against for something personal to them that doesn't affect anybody else. Are you going to turn gay by being around them? No.

So why can't it be left at that, just you don't bother them and they won't bother you. Just let them live out their life, and you keep to yours.

I don't see why this is such a hard thing to do? -_-

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Moral.



I'm well aware of that, that doesn't give you license to condemn whoever you want, especially since religous ethnicity is so prominent.

Freelancer: Thank you for answering that. You have no idea how happy I am that you didn’t come out with a “if you don’t believe what I do you’re going to hell” post. Personally I don't agree with classifying homosexuality as a sin based on what the bible says, but again just my opinion, I'm not trying to tell you to abandon your beliefs (that would lead to the horrors of the religous forum :eek

I reiterate the face:

I stated before that I don't believe in him. However, if I did a term paper on let's say Jesus. While writing this report I used JUST the Bible for my source. I would get an F, most papers require five or more sources to get a near-UNBIASED viewpoint on the subject.


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[This message has been edited by TimeWolfOfThePast (edited December 07, 2003).]

it is hard to type neatly when I am responding to someone who seems to think that homosexuality is worese than murder. The only gay people I dont like are the ones that go after people that have made it clear that they are straight. ie. when gay people still try and go for someone they have been told is straight. (we realy need to find a more appropriate short word that means hetrosexual)

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fear the evil pointy finger of death. yu-gi-oh Dub.

Yes but no one has acculty came foward to me and told me "I'm gay."



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Nauree... homosexuality is exhibited in nature (read: not humans)...

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oh yeh wlel i jsut gots finesht wiht my morrwoind mod for teh JO An it takes up teh 900 gigabiets of spaec but i wlil not sowh yuo gyz teh scrnshoots becasue we dunat kare wut u gyz tihnk ne1 no wear i kan get ti hostad 4 dounlowd!!!!11!111 --Checksum

what the hell happened to freedom of religion. when did that get repealled. have i slipped into some alternate universe where in america you can only be christian or other simmilar religions.

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fear the evil pointy finger of death. yu-gi-oh Dub.

I dont know if your just a 12 year old or what. You put words in my mouth. I didn't talk about homosexuality and murder. And theres no excuse for not typeing, to where I can acculty read it, without trying to figure out what you say.


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Why should that matter? If a particular person came forward and said "I'm gay" would you suddenly think different of them? Cause that's pretty closed-minded...

Thank you alpha1 to proving to me your less than a 12 year old, seeing as you'v never taken Civics before.

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umm, the subject was already off topic. I anyone should be banned for taking it off topic it should be you as you are the one that started this arguement.

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fear the evil pointy finger of death. yu-gi-oh Dub.

I expect a response Nauree.

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This thread is not being moved to the Religious Discussion forum.

Here's why.

When Wolfy posted this thread it revolved around the simple question of whether the school was right or wrong in punishing the kid for using the word in it's proper context.

That this has evolved into whether homosexuality itself is right or wrong was beyond his control so it would be unfair to move his thread simply because other people have turned it into something it wasn't to start with.

Also, Alpha1/Nauree give it a rest, really.

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