whats godwin's law?

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

definately. At least have a section for other games' star wars mods.

It would be good to have other classic modable games as well.

e.g. morrowind, unreal series, serious sam and other cool games.

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your curiosity will get the better of YOU one day.
Jon`C:Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly.
Spork:Well I think 'Irony is spelling grammar poorly'
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I've been coming to Massassi for nearly half a decade. I hope the site never dies. I want my kids to come here when Jedi Knight 6 comes out in 2012 and download mods from here. I'm just speaking hypothetically of course but still don’t you fellow Massassians want this game to be preserved for as long as possible? I do.


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Long live the United States of America.

I think the point about new lifeblood is very poignant. Massassi came about because of JK, its popularity, its ease of editing, and the quality of people in the community. JK is not and never will be as popular as it once was, because it's an old game. We have JO and JA, but IMHO, they just don't have that certain something that JK had. I've never enjoyed JO and JA the same way I did JK. I played JK so much, played so many levels and mods, but JO and JA just don't capture that same fun factor for me. Maybe that's just me.

Anyway, a better, dedicated server under Massassi's own control would allow us to control our own destiny. Then we'd have so many new options, that we could probably find a way to revive the site. Sadly, forums and chat do not make much revenue or bring much new traffic. Forums and chat are not really "content." As dedicated as the participants of them can be, they are a small minority, and not something a real "content site" can be built around, IMHO.

2 cents

1. Not sure...:/

2. Maybe when I'm 18.

3. See # 2.

4. Elections? Absolutly.

Credit for posting news? Absolutly not. This will lead to SPAM SPAM SPAM.

We should have a point system that allows moderaters to give users points for exceptionally good posts and lose points for poor posts.

Points for donations? Absolutly. Money talks.

5. See # 2.

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It basicly means that when one side makes a hilter analogy to the other side's argument or compairs that argument to hitler, they instantly loose.

there are two exceptions to this rule.

1. If a side tries to deliberately enact it(ie. just saying it to make the other side loose), the enacter makes the other side loose.

2. The law does not apply if hitler, natzi ect. are the actual discussion.(ie. something about hitler doing the stuff that he did because he was mentally disturbed)

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your curiosity will get the better of YOU one day.
Jon`C:Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly.
Spork:Well I think 'Irony is spelling grammar poorly'
Snail racing: (500 posts per line)-@%

True patriotism at work. *tear*
But I agree with the guy. We need a site like Massassi, and with so many new JK original mods coming out...

We should also branch out to UT2k3, because while UT2k4 will be moddable too, UT2k3 is already being modded by many different people, and I know of at least one mod for it pertaining to Star Wars (http://www.ut2k3troopers.com I think)
Please don't die

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If I believed the site should die... my FTP would have been down weeks ago. I am willing ... and will continue to host the levels and mods on my FTP server indefinately. And if need be, I will pay for a server for the forums, since they don't use nearly the bandwith the files do (although I realize it is quite a bit anyway). You let me know what you need for the forums, and I'll dig in.

But first and foremost, I believe we should keep Recon as long as we can. Maybe just look for a new FILE server, but keep the main site here.

Oh, and BTW: If it is easy to do, feel free to point the files URLs to my FTP server. Sure, the speed might suck, but as far as I'm concerned, the files are extremely important. I don't want the files to go the same way DCM comics did. It is just too much internet history to lose.

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I am addicted to ellipses!!! AHHH!!! ...

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If massassi dies, I die too.

*entwines own lifeline with massassi's* Bwahahaha! Now you can't separate us!

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MadQuack on Military school: Pro's: I get to shoot a gun. Con's: Everything else.
"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

Jeez, I love massassi too, but the way some of you cling to it so badly make me think you guys don't even have social li.....oh, wait.

[/bad attempt to lighten the mood]

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

*stab's Kieran*

I do too have a social li- er. Crap. *sits in the corner and weeps silently*

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MadQuack on Military school: Pro's: I get to shoot a gun. Con's: Everything else.
"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

To be more honest than my first post, massassi isn't the same to me any more. When I came here, I had a love of Jedi Knight and gaming. Now all I do is homework/forums/forensics (the high school activity, not what you see in CSI.) I have new friends, new forums, new interests... it's just not the same as it used to be. I'll still read Massassi and I'll still visit the chat on a fairly regular basis. But not nearly as often as I would before. This forum seems almost dead... what happened to all the interesting arguments and posts we'd have?

I miss Old Massassi, or maybe it's not Massassi that has changed, but me.

1. Is there enough here at Massassi that's worth our time and effort to save? Yes, most definitely.

2. Would you personally be willing to donate every once in a while to keep the site up? I'm already more than willing but unfortunately would be unable to.

4. Would a more community-driven site be a good idea? Would you rather "elect" moderators in some fashion instead of me/us appointing them? I think it'd be better in the long run, but I think a no goes to moderator elections. This would be abused and we'd have inexperienced idiots as mods.

5. Is there anything you'd be willing to do on a regular basis for Massassi in order to help us survive. Posting levels, news, level reviews, moderating comments, etc.? I'd be more than willing to do ANY of that!

Should I start downloading everything on Massassi incase you decide to shut it down?

Massassi is definitely worth saving, but in order to do so, we'd have to brach out a little bit more (as many others have said). JK isn't played by enough people anymore to generate much traffic. JO and JA never seemed to catch on like JK did, in terms of the number of people who were playing the game.

The new SW games on their whay out are a good place to start. If Battlefront is halfway decent and editable, a lot of people will be playing.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

What if we started a huge JK conversion/mod for Battlefront? (I.E. Make it like a huge 32 person JK team battle)

I think that's a mod that would not only bring the community together with a defined goal and effort, but it would generate a huge amount of hype for those who still like JK, as well as Battlefront.


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MadQuack on Military school: Pro's: I get to shoot a gun. Con's: Everything else.
"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

Har, I've been here for over four years as an almost lurker, so maybe I can say something about the evolution.

What I think everyone can agree on was that Jedi Knight's prime was this site's hight. Jedi Outcast was meh as far as editing, just the sheer variety wasn't there.

I think I can compare this to populations... we need the "food" of content to "reproduce" (i.e. bring in new blood) to make up for the "deaths" (people leaving), and prosper ect ect. I hate this word but this site needs to diversify.

Things are getting downright stale overhere. It's the same 15-30 or so people posting all the time. There is really now more "wow" content as like before, hell, I haven't visited the main page in ages.

So what can you do with this site? Maybe general star wars editing, but if the food is only starwars games... who knows. Heh, in another comparison to populations, we need to find a niche that isn't occupied. I think also this place is being killed by competetive exclusion. I think the main focus is how to we remove the stale from this community, first and foremost. But this place has a devoted community, or hell, at least a semi loyal one. I think that is a great base for future projects, whatever that may be.

Ideas:

Lots and lots of "group projects" as said earlier. Having a point always helps things move forward. Wether it be, as said before, something like JK arena or what have you. Maybe for a popular game.

Here's a well intentioned but ultimately stupid idea: A star wars mod for Half Life two. I just wanted to say that. Hey, but think about it. It WILL be a popular game, and it IS Star Wars. And this place started as a FPS mod place... in any case...

Maybe as a link hub to general Star Wars editing resouces. Something, anything...

More to come, I assure you.

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As stated in another thread, I would be willing to make and/or post levels, reviews, news etc. Emphasis would be on the review section.

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When you expect the pain - nothing left to ascertain
When you respect the lie - Deadly chasm open wide
---Circle of Dust "Chasm"

1. Is there enough here at Massassi that's worth our time and effort to save?

Yes. I think forums, files, and tutorials are each enough on their own.

2. Would you personally be willing to donate every once in a while to keep the site up?

Having been redirected to Massassi in the summer of 1999 and finding my pride and joy in writing, as well as arguably my more spiritual side (long story), I'd say yes. Screw not having a job -- I'll worry about that later.

3. If we had a program to only allow donations up to 3 months hosting in advance, would you be more willing to donate (for example, if our server is 100/month, we would only allow up to 300 in our paypal account, and donations would automatically be cut off until the next 100 comes out).

I'm not sure I understand what makes the motive here, but uh... whatever works.

4. Would a more community-driven site be a good idea? Would you rather "elect" moderators in some fashion instead of me/us appointing them?

Like the vast majority here, I think a "mix" of voting and appointing would be the wisest course of action.

5. Is there anything you'd be willing to do on a regular basis for Massassi in order to help us survive. Posting levels, news, level reviews, moderating comments, etc.?

Ask and I'll do what I can. In the meantime, I'll rally up the dark, lurking legions within the ISB to take notice of this...

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I haven't been here much long, myself. I lurked for about 6 mos. then I finally decided to submit my soul in Nov. of 2002. This is a good site. I do not wish to see it die out. But yes, we BADLY need new lifeblood. JK doesn't cut it anymore. Massassi should include more of the SW games. I'm hesitant about the idea of non-SW games. I think the whole theme of Massassi was Star Wars games (Jedi Knight/Outcast/Academy, Galaxies, *cough*KotOR*cough* Oh I'm sorry..wishful thinking there. ).

Would I pay to support? Yes. But I couldn't do it monthly. I have no credit-cards and no checking account. I will not send cash through the mail. A a 6-mo. 1 yr. pay system would be better for me, and I think most of us.

I'm hesitant about electing forum mods/admins. I think benevolent dictatorship works best. But just let there be away to oust bad admins/nods (not pointing fingers!) readily.

I'd help out as much as possible. I'd love to take one of the spare computers just lying about here and slap on Linux and throw it in the server room. Use that as our file server (OC-3 lines baby). I'm just worried about the net guys (ex-Marines) catching me.

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just the sheer number of members here it would be hardly a burden for anyone to grab an envelope with Brains Address on it with like $.50-$1.00



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---Thomas jefferson, Declaration of Independance.

Where's the PayPal, I'll donate right now damnit.

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The Matrix is not Linux compatible.

HERE HERE! Again... (Judge)

If you mailed a few quarters to brian, shipping would cost more then the money you are sending

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike

It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash

Money in the mail = bad.

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Have a good one,
Freelancer

I must agree. A yearly subscription of 2 dollars, plus donations could easily keep you going. If there are 1000 members, and you can expect 2 dollars from each, you've got 2000 dollars, plus the ocassional 20 dollars from those of us who would give blood for massassi, and you're looking at 500-3000 dollars a year. Sure it might not be that high, but it'll certainly be at least over 200.

JediKirby

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I think we need to attract more attention and members to the JO/JA editing forum.

Or maybe a contest...

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Screw a dollar, show me PayPal and I'll make it four monthes for the price of two.

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Maybe if Massassi had a webcomic. Hmmm..

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1)I haven't been there for far too long, i haven't really kept track, but its only been several months. However, i think there is more then enough to save here. the community, while at times not all the good, is on the average far better then most communities. Also, while unfortunatly i do not play JK as much as i should, the levels and mods i have always gotten from here, and i've known it to be a hub for the mod community, at least that which i know of it.

2)Its actually more of whether my parents would let me donate, i'm only 16. however, if i am allowed, i would be more then willing to donate, if only in small amounts (i.e. maybe $5 to $10 a month).

3)Seeing as i would only donate small amounts, i wouldn't find that a problem, but, as someone else said, you could use the extra money that you may recieve from extra donations.

4)A more community-driven site, in my opinion, would be a good idea. as i said before, i've found the community here to be above-average, at least, and as long as it doesn't get too out of control (as in, you keep final control and the elections dont extend to too high a level), then it would be a good idea.

5)I'm not sure what i could do, really, but if i saw something i could do, i would gladly help out.

I guess that's all i have to say right now. however, while i dont think i can help on any of the technical issues, i know a frien who is very good with the web, who has made and supported several websites, and i could give you his screenname if you want to ask him any questions, or i could pass him along any questions if you want. just E-mail me if you want to.

(P.S. Chaz Ghostle and Emon know him, so they can vouch for his skill)

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"Some people play tennis. I erode the human soul"
-Tycho, Penny Arcade
"I'm a Cannabal-Vegitarian. I will BBQ an employee if there is no veggie option"
-DX:IW

I've been coming here since the URL was http://www.jedinights.com/massassi ...and I've seen a lot. I've grown with this site...

But I hate to say it.. I think the gig is up. I'd love to see in continue, and I wouldn't start a thread to say that Massassi should be terminated, but now that you bring it up...

It's time. Massassi simply isn't relevant anymore. All people want out of this place is the forum.

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To myself I surrender to the one I'll never please.
But I still try to run on.
You know I still try to run on. But it's all or none.

Eddie Vedder

But where would we go? That CAN'T happen. Too many people would be homeless. Our community is too strong to let that happen.


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What's to say we can't turn into a more broad gaming site, why does it just have to be about JK or even Star Wars games for that matter?

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The idea is that I don't want anyone thinking I'm taking the money for anything but Massassi. I don't want money for my time, effort, or coding. I would only use the money for hosting fees, and possibly things like software (although that's a stretch, there are so many coders around here that buying anything anymore is pointless).

^I totally agree. There's really not much here besides the forums (besides which, I don't think we have nearly enough active members with the means to pay for subscriptions to keep Massassi around).

I have a large investment in the story board, but I think Geb's a fanatic about backing stuff up so that's no big deal.

I see three choices: shut things down completely, move to a more popular game or trim the place down to maybe just the forums.

Uh, I agree with Eversor, I mean.

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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

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Well, I don't want a bunch of Counterstrike fools coming in and stabbing everything...

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Ive been here for over 4 years (multiple accounts) and I love this site, I come here for at least an hour everyday. I read almost everything posted in the discussion board and at least look at everything in the Showcase Forum. No other forum has gotten me this entranced. I love this place. I love the admins, I love the mods, and of course, I love the members.

We have survived bad hosts. We have survived Trolls. And we will NOT BE BROUGHT DOWN BY THIS RETCHED BEAST CALLED RECONGAMER!

We must band together and do what EVERY WE CAN to support the site of MASSASSI!!!!


... ok enough with the fake war speak,
I would be willing to donate, as I am coincidently cancelling all of my MMORPG subscriptions this month. I could probably convince my mom to let me donate at least $10 a month.

As I said before I would be willing to do any jobs. I could be a mod *wink*, a admin *nudge nudge* but more importantly I could post levels, update SOTD or LOTW, make reviews, post news, mod comments, etc. I would be willing to do anything I can.

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When you expect the pain - nothing left to ascertain
When you respect the lie - Deadly chasm open wide
---Circle of Dust "Chasm"

Or even better, delete everything but the forum of Juztyn.

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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

I agree with the 'new direction' concept. Massassi needs a new primary focus. JK is past its prime, and if Massassi wants to see the popularity it once had, it needs something else. That said, I'd hate to see this place disappear. It's been... what.... 6 years? 7? I can't remember anymore. I'd be happy to contribute what I could to keep it running.

Quiet fool! The secret must NEVER be unveiled..

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MadQuack on Military school: Pro's: I get to shoot a gun. Con's: Everything else.
"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

I'm sorry but I keep reading the posts here and it's frelling depressing. I want this place to live...why can't it? I got sucked into this place with MaDa's death--I had read many of his posts and I knew him as a great guy. I can't give up this place now, I've only been active for a couple months...where will I put my soul...you guys were supposed to keep it forever. This just plain sucks.

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