If that isn't the answer, what is?

Well, what games are you interested in? Don't worry about whether it'd be applicable or not -- just as a first step sort of thing.

And perhaps this is a really bad idea, but have any of us considered Massassi exploring into non-gaming media?

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I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Care to elaborate? Examples?

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You know, books, movies, solving relationship problems...

I was just pointing out that people kept considering branching out into other games instead of perhaps other media or fields, is all.

Judging by the overwhelming success of the office of mavispoo, self-proclaimed relationship expert, and Flexor, un-certified physician, I'd say a relationship forum isn't going to attract that many people.

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I am against Massassi becoming a "Big gaming network." I think that would take way too much time and consistent effort from too many people. It's not reasonable to expect people to do the large amount of work without getting reembursed for their time.
I know people say, "well I already spend hours a day here," but I'm pretty sure that posting levels is a lot less exciting than posting threads.

IMO being a huge site is a great goal for us, but obviously we can't just be one all of the sudden. At this point I would say we need to take it slowly and carefully and get things right. Buy bigger shoes as our feet grow and have shoes that fit - don't get really big ones in anticipation of the future.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." -Isaac Asimov

This is what I was thinking. If JK suits you best brian, then you could simply manage the main site and the JK division. If SSam2 pops up, you could work on that for awhile, etc. If you've got dedicated, trustworthy people working on something, it keeps going. I mean, just look at naythn on serious editing... he posted something two months ago. Poor guy.

I'm not saying we should start a zillion little sites, but if theres enough interest in the community and an admin/mod who could handle the task, maybe we could start a new "channel" for that particular game.

Just ideas. What I'm thinking of is kind of like IGN, except for a few different games instead of a few different platforms. Similar with the "central hub" that reports on the community and the most recent happenings of the channels. it could work, it might not. Either way, it's worth making note of while finishing up MII. Even if we only have the JK channel for a year, it could eventually start going somewhere. *shrug*

I think one of the problems with past ventures youve worked on is they werent integrated very well or at all with massassi. seperate forums, seperate everything, seperate user base. no sharing. sharing helps.

Beyond that, t-shirts.

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but we can just ban them

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If we go to IGN. we will pretty much ban everyone that is registered there. level comments never talk about the levels.

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Without a focus on star wars, Massassi just isn't Massassi. I do say that we might try to get some side focus on other popular (and editable) games. After all, many of us here are already playing UT2k4, or other games... I think Massassi should mainly be about Star Wars, but also have large parts for some other major (or obscure) games...

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You, Brian, get a cookie. The cookie in Bruce Almighty. THANK YOU for getting me my password back!

And back to this, I like IGN merely because I enjoy reading the reviews and stuff in it. However, IGN sucks because it's heavy with adds, only updates once a day, and has the whole IGNINSIDER PAY FOR MEMBERSHIP thing that I really don't like. If we go IGN we need
A: different ideas from IGN...a few at least so we're not TOTALLY duplicating them
B: to make sure to keep the community going. I never visit ign forumns, anymore anyway. They keep fluctuating between which ones are free which ones are insider, or when which ones will be free or required, I just gave up trying a year or two ago.

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dude, there are many games that are old and popular. Morrowind is still running strong and is a popular classic.

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I'd be willing to donate some money via paypal.

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That's because you two are HACKS! Put me and pagewizard in the relationship expert positions(with someone else to possibly keep pagewizard in line if i cant) and you will have a utopia of advice.

btw, what is the url of that one relationship advice forum mavispoo made?

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The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

If anyone needs help here, I'd be willing to help out in any shape I can. I do not want Massassi to go anywhere, simply due to the fact that it has one of the greatest audience base, fan base, whatever for a website, and definitely one of the coolest sites I've ever come across in the 5+ years I've been on the internet.

Please, let me help out...

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We should explore various options of generating money. Flexor brought up selling t-shirts. I think that's actually a decent idea. Once the paypal system is up and running, maybe we could even hold raffles. People could donate items and people could purchase e-tickets (or something to that effect) for $1 each or something (depending on the value of the item). I'm sure one of our resident programmers could code up a decent system to do this. If not, we could even utilize an existing system.

I would just like to add that I don't see anything wrong with expanding into mods for other games. I wouldn't want to see us expanding into HL2 (an example), but maybe a HL2 SW mod.

Wow...I'm half asleep...I hope this all makes sense. I'll read this again in the morning to make sure. :/

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This is just a thought, but could Massassi maybe make money by hosting dedicated servers for various games?

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I'm a C4D b****!

Ok, here's my 2 cents. I've never really contributed anything to massassi. I've always considered myself to be a retarted nerd: someone who understands yet does not know how to, well, anything. During discussion based on idealogy/politics/society I hold my tongue. Because I know my opinions will greatly piss people off. I have that paticular touch. I have respect for Massassi, so I will not debase myself to being a troll. Plus I'm not around much, so probably no one really knows of my existence here, so my 2 cents don't matter much.

I really like massassi.net, it's one of the only sites I visit. Up there with Penny-Arcade! and... not much else. I cannot give any type of monetary aid. I'd love to but, I'm incredibly friggin' poor. I hope massassi does not close, but there is nothing I can do, but please if it must, gice warning. I don't want it to suddenly be gone one day.

And I've made 2 threads about this and always got the brush-off. T-SHIRTS DAMMIT!!!

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That forum lasted like two weeks.


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Definately. The community.



Unfortunately that's not an option ofr me at the moment. Once I get out of college in a few years and get a REAL job, sute.



I don't see how that would make me any more or less willing... :/



Not sure... I think the current team is doing a good job.



Hell yes. If you need anyone to do any of that stuff or anything else, I'd be more than happy to help.

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I'd gladly donate to help Massassi. I don't have much, but I'd be willing to donate around $10 a month to keep it going.

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I'm a C4D b****!

By the way, I can be a level/news/stuff poster as well, if you need me.

T-Shirts and other merchandise has been deemed impossible due to copyright laws. Pretty sure that Lucas owns the word Massassi, and as such if we were to be making money off of his copyright we would owe him royalties that we couldn't pay, and he wouldn't lease us the phrase anyways. So we would in the end lose and the site would go down in flames.

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Actually, I'm willing to try the whole t-shirt idea. I mean, they took the word massassi from a race of people that live in Africa. As long as we don't put star wars stuff in there, we should be fine, right? Hell, we're doing it to support the site only (not make profit).

SWEET! T-shirt design contest, eh eh eh?

Heck, just the site logo on a black tee would rock too

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I'd buy one fore sure

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Here's an idea. Those who have a server that will keep your files for a VERY long time (or even forever), upload them there and Massassi will link to them that way. Those who don't have a server, and/or not sure how to get one or upload them, can submitt to Massassi's files server. The server problems that Massassi's having could be that Recon is, without telling you, turns off the computer to intall a new bigger hard drive to hold the new files. And of course, there can be problems. You send asking 'What's happening?' and they don't send a reply until they are done and then they say 'Everything is fine!'. Who's with me that it is Bill Gates wipping at their backs...
Anyway, what about my idea? Anyone who can host a level, do so, submitt 3 links (one to the level, and 2 to the screenshots), people at Massassi tests it to see if it is acceptable and then posts news about the new level.

/Edward

Uhm.. no. With the amount of traffic that Massassi can get to any given file, the files all need to be hosted locally. j00 lose.

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and rock-freaking-on. Make em $15 or less and I'll take 2 if there are different designs. Cafe-Press can do it for us.

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id buy 1



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I would definately buy a Massassi T-Shirt. That idea is even better than just normal donations, because then you're getting something back too as a result.

I think they should be black with a small massassi logo over the right front brest, and we could have a contest for a design to use on the back. Maybe even put the url on the sleeves too.

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Oh, and the winner of the contest would get a free T-Shirt of course.

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DSettahr's Homepage

id buy 1



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300 years as jedi master i was, now i bloody night-lite

(:-) Monobrow

Can the T-Shirt design have Natalie Portman on it? I have a plan...

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you know...I like massassi how it is now, not to much problems, if we dont count the number of the system-down problem. The forums, specialy the editing forum, you know, echoman and gothicX helped my out really well, already busy on a level, so my conclusion

1.) try to take care of the server down problem
2.) Do NOT let this site or the forums go
3.) Lets all give a great applause for all the people that worked on this site, because they helped me out very well with all my problems about mapping, scripting and other things

Woohooooooooooooo!!!!

(sorry that my english is so bad)

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And the t-shirt idee, im am going to draw already

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T-shirts would be great. I'd definitely buy one. Let's not stop there. Let's explore all of our options. We should try to ease the financial burden on Brian as much as possible. There may be no need for him to cover half of the cost.

Posters:

~ The Massassi Map (I'd buy one if my name would finally get on there)
~ Various Massassi logo's

One could think of a hundred different poster ideas.

Calendars:

You could have a different Massassi logo for each month, possibly a contest to achieve that. You could have a level of the week calendar where 4 levels are shown for each month with their authors name. The last page could be an informational section with various data regarding Massassi and its community.

These are but a few ideas. I'm not saying that we should do all of these things, but if there's a demand, it wouldn't hurt. Why stop at breaking even? Brian says he's not interested in making money off of this site. If the Massassi products sold well and Massassi generated even more money than is needed, I'm sure the staff could think of various ways to use it towards the site/community.





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Hmm... I like the idea of a SotD/LotW calender...

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I think everyone in Massassi would buy a t-shirt if we made one. It is a great idea.

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I really like the idea of merchandising. I don't have any doubt that all of us here would be very willing to purchase a T-shirt for a sizeable donation ($10-$15US). I also like the idea of a callendar. That would be grounds for a new contest here! I'd probably work overtime on my current level to submit it...



Apparently, he'll take two!



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