I've never understood why there always has to be competition between sites in this community. Who cares who currently gets the most hits/visitors? I always find a community much more..well...warm, if the different sites co-operate rather than seek to pummell the opposition.

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Cantina Cloud | BCF
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

I think it's only really among fans of the sites... StormHammer from JK.net (or, a super moderator on the forums at least) agrees with me that Massassi's got the best file and commenting system. Although I can't say much about that JK.net/Massassi shaftage that they tried to pull a while back...

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

...YES!

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Jaiph, I honestly don't have any problems with having complementary sites. I was merely trying to respond to Jipe's comments.

Frankly, I never started massassi to make money. I never started massassi to be a "general" jk site, it sort of just evolved that way. I have no illusions about why massassi got so popular (because of sites like jn.com and jk.net posting news about us!). I have no illusions about why massassi overtook the competition traffic wise (not only good features/content here, but also a complete lack of updates on their sites for a LONG time).

I don't necessarily think that competition for traffic is a good thing. In fact, us getting more traffic doesn't necessarily mean they will get less. I don't think there's a finite amount of users out there distributed among sites. There's no reason people can't go to both.

I guess my comments were a bit harsh sounding, and my goal isn't to smash or pummel any other site. I simply want to make the best site I can. The ultimate goal of the site is not to make money, which is why massassi can exist without a zillion ads. Rest assured, if that becomes the only way to survive, we may have to do it, but if I had to choose tons of ads and popups so I could make a profit vs. not so many ads and no huge ones and no profit, I would choose the latter. That's the difference between a commercial site and a community site.

Of course massassi could have gone that route when UGO fell through (and whatever the sponser was after the fact, I forget their name), but we didn't, and I'm glad. Honestly, when we started making money off Massassi, I personally feel it made the situation worse. Massassi started feeling like a job instead of a hobby. I don't really like that feeling.

My ideal situation would be that we have enough money coming in SOMEHOW (user donations?) that we could afford our own dedicated server and bandwidth and no longer had to have any ads!

So, please forgive me if I came across as wanting to put some other site out of business or "steal" their visitors. That's not my goal. My goal is to build the JK site *I* would want to visit on a regular basis.

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/me pops in, waves, then pops out

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cantina.cloud

Stop your debating fools!

I want a reaction to my css magicks.

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Ω of 14
Half-Life 2 Central: your definitive source for everything HL2!

Oh, and the sponsor was eUniverse.

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Ω of 14
Half-Life 2 Central: your definitive source for everything HL2!

CSS has a lot of uses, yes. But I don't want to resort only to IE to view Massassi in it's fullest. Some stuff just isn't implemented in NS/Mozilla/etc. than IE. I'd put in only the CSS recognized by both sides.

I would love to see more tutorials. Y'all would get even more love from me if they were written by you guys (Gonk, Emon, Sine Nomen, gothiX, Cazor, etc.) Aren't I just a loving guy? But yeah, I agree with the previous posters on this topic. We need more content!

Curious, when can we start to see change in Massassi?

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<scribbly handwriting barely resembling name>

I'm not sure how well user donations would work with Massassi. God knows the fanbase is loyal enough, but how many are old enough to have access to paypal, etc? Hmm, guess it's hard to tell.

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Cantina Cloud | BCF
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

..Because it was the only jk site that had, you know, what's it called again ... ? Oh yeah! Content. I'd say maybe 0.5%-0.8% of the sites on the internet actually have good content..

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Have a good one,
Freelancer

Maybe Massassi.net is popular because of progress. It is always fun to peep into the showcase and see what's new.

The relationship between editors and ideas on this site is nice too.

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"The Tenloss Disruptor was outlawed throughout the galaxy because it's such a stupid gun"

There will always be a massassi when there are still people ready to edit and try new things.

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GhostOfYoda - General doer of stuff.

Jaiph: exactly, which is why there is no donate button, I'd guess

oSiRiS: I'm all for a css, standards based design. If we can get a workable one using CSS that works in IE 5+, Mozilla 1+, Firbird .6+, Opera 6+, I'm all for it. The problem is that CSS implementations vary so widely

Maybe we should have a "default" theme which isn't CSS, and then a bunch of other CSS based templates that implement that functionality for the rest. It's a lot of work, though, and I'm not sure how "worth it" it is

I think a lot of the other features are more important than theming and CSS based designs, especially considering the amount of time those will take to implement.

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You would need to have the content be 100% divs & spans to allow everything to be really changable... so I don't know how well a default theme would work.

Opera 6 could be a problem, but really, I don't think IE5 is in use at all, just IE 5.5.

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Ω of 14
Half-Life 2 Central: your definitive source for everything HL2!

Uhm, i don't all of the acual radiant terms, but give me a level editing topic and i can make a tutorial... maybe.

[edit]oh and anyone can request... not just gandalf [/edit]

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There are two asses in Massassi... and I'm one of them.
The Matrix Unplugged|The Valley of the Jedi Tower|Smaug's Lair

[This message has been edited by Cazor (edited October 27, 2003).]

My point was missed entirely.. the JK series is losing popularity; barely anyone is playing/editing Jedi Academy, and it's only a month old. Massassi needs to find something else (another game) to focus on.

Or possibly make a new JK engine?

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"The Tenloss Disruptor was outlawed throughout the galaxy because it's such a stupid gun"

Speak!? Speaker4thedead!?

* Acharjay cannot handle the oldschool vibes.

!!!
YAY!
Hi speak!

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^^
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He hasn't spoken for the dead in many a year, I think he passed that duty on to an underling.



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Cantina Cloud | BCF
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

Jipe, I didn't miss your point, I just disagree with it.

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IE is the real problem, I have seemed to find out recently. At first it appears as if, "stupid Gecko [Mozilla/Firebird/Netscape] can't render CSS worth crap!" then you realize it's really IE's problem, because you try it in Opera and it works perfectly...

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Truth is spoken here. Microsoft seems to think that it doesn't need to fix it's renderer to support the full range of CSS 2, when Gecko renders it perfectly.

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1 of 14 - The Coucil still lives
6-16 Never Forget.
Click.

A quick search on my apache access log reveals about 6 people on Massassi still using IE 5.0. The vast majority are using IE 5.5-6.0 (Around 60%), followed by Mozilla and its variants (20%), and Opera (10%).

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Fight the future.

Ahahahahahahee.. IE didn't even achieve css1.0 compliance until version 6.0, and between sketchy css2 support, monopolistic proprietory coding/ms-compiles-of-java-applets and just general arrogant wonkiness, they follow standards about as well as vampires follow tofu shipments.

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Blue Mink Bifocals !
fsck -Rf /world/usr/
Capite Terram
"Stupid English language... Why does nothing rhyme with 'primordial goo'???" -happydud
NPC.Interact::PressButton($'Submit');

Well for the record, I have equal difficulty getting IE-Mozilla compatibility as I do Opera-Mozilla or Opera-IE.

It's a piece of cake making a workaround to handle IE's shortcomings if you want it to work in Mozilla as well, but a third browser will always throw a spanner into the works.

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I don't think it's much of a secret that I'm working on a replacement for JK.exe, but it's way too early to plan any sort of content around it. And it'll remain too early until after I actually release it.

I would agree though, JO and JA have had a pretty dismal community so far. It's nothing compared to DF and JK, for a variety of reasons.

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one reason being that past internet community isn't as broad and vague as the current swamp of people.

The internet of 4 years ago was much more tight knit than today. and that's sad, and fun at the same time.

Sad because you just -can't- fight communities as good as before.

good because you get to be elitist for a reason

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* Seb goes around singing "I'm too sexy for my body"
* Wolfy goes around singing "I'm too sexy for Seb's body"
* Cave_Demon steals Seb's underwear (underwear stolen: 39)

Incorrect. IE6 still does not have complete CSS1 core compliance.

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Ω of 14
Half-Life 2 Central: your definitive source for everything HL2!

Do you think there are no communities like that, or they're just hard to find? In a world full of commercial sites, maybe the good community sites are just harder to find.

Also, with the advent of game company created "community" sites, people flock to those, only to see them removed when the company is tired of maintaining them. Or restricted and closed. The game companies are somewhat responsible for this lack of great community sites - because by starting their own "official" sites, they have already hammered the first nail in the coffin of that games community.

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I eagerly await the day when internet technology evolves to the point where bandwidth is no longer a major issue and the good sites thrive and the well funded contentless sites are left for dead.

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Cantina Cloud | BCF
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

...and AOL dies.

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"The Tenloss Disruptor was outlawed throughout the galaxy because it's such a stupid gun"

In case you guys are wondering wtf is up with me talking all this smack about all the stuff I'm going to do for Massassi but then not doing anything, I wanted to let you know that I don't yet have FTP access and thus, can't get access to any of the scripts I need to modify. (although I have backups of massassi from before I left, the scripts have been updated since then, apparently, so it's not safe to work on my local copies)

If anyone sees blujay around, please let him know I am looking for him.

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Hmm, One other thing that would be good for the community is a level pack for JA, or even a Skin pack. That might bring a few of the talented editors out of the woodwork.

JA really needs a skin pack. Remember how almost everyone had BFP2 for JK?
Well I think JA/JO needs a similar kind of thing. A whole bunch of good quality skins in one pack. They need to be in a pack because not many people just install 1 skin on their server.

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WARNING: THIS POST MAY CONTAIN TRACES OF PEANUT!!!

[This message has been edited by TheJkWhoSaysNi (edited October 31, 2003).]

On what?

(Also, I'm writing a rather large article on NPC placement in JA SP now, that I might send to Massassi..)


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Endurance of Hatred

Doesn't JA/JO automatically download skins if you don't have them?

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It does if the if...
1) The host enables downloads.
2) You enable autodownloads.
3) You want to lag the poor persons game.
4) You want to be board.

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Mr. Anderson...

You won't lag the other players unless the server has a terrible connection. But since almost no server can dish out that much crap, it's usually limited to about 5 KBps, which is fine for some skins or models usually, if you can wait about five minutes. But for a full mod, PASCHKSDJF!.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Well, blujay still hasn't shown up so I still don't have access to the massassi ftp. I guess I'll just start from scratch on the EC - I wasn't going to save much of the code anyway.

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BFP2 had like 150 skins, plus a bunch of sabers and even sound bytes I think. If we were to create a skin pack for JA, it would probably reach well over 150-400MB...Quite a large file to upload, at 40KB/sec, and even a quite long d/l at 300KB/sec for cable users.

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