By 'legal background' you mean that time you were charged with possession, right?

naw, i think that the right to bear arms could be streched just a little further. but seriously though, the police could do just about anything, i just don't think that the punishment fits the crime. it's more of a deterant than a solution. it's good to see someone disagreeing and being civil about it though, thank you.

...and it's going nowhere because you don't seem to be able to get off of the subject of my typing, as amuzing as it is.

I think it's stupid, but punishments that have little or nothing to do with the offense aren't all that uncommon nor unreasonable.

All punishments are intended to deter you from doing whatever it is you did again .. jailing someone for murder has nothing to do with killing someone, except to put that person in a position in which (s)he can't (ideally) do it again. A related punishment would be.. the death penalty .. whoops.

I think what comes off as more "random" in this case is that preventing teens from driving does not necessarily put them in a position in which they cannot smoke again. Arguably, neither do things like fines, for say, speeding, but if you're spending money you're probably working for more money or spending time in court settling the fine, which means you're not spending time out on the road speeding. If you're not driving .. you could still be smoking.

[and I typed this post before Kanchi made the above one about determents, so .. yeah]

But it does make them think about not smoking again.

I'm convinced you're retarded and just don't know it.

Well, I mean .. It's kinda a one-time deal haha. Unless they keep revoking stuff. Which could work. Possible revokable things:

• Ability to purchase foods in excess of 1000 calories from any restaurant (Get rid of the obesity problem at the same time!)
• Ability to cross streets (keep those smokers on one block!)
• Ability to RIDE in other people's cars
• Ability to ride a bike
• Ability to ride a scooter
• Ability to go near any form of transportation
• Privilege of wearing shoes
• Privilege of wearing any clothing

They could just revoke the right to have fingers and be done with it.

Getting your license before you're 18 is a special privilege. You are not a full adult, and you don't have full adult rights. Not smoking is part of the whole being-under-18 deal, and if you mess that up, why should you get the special privileges that under-18's can get?

But I have an idea: We should make cigarrettes illegal.

And possibly legalize marijuana.

We should let anyone who wants to smoke cigarettes go right ahead. I think being hopelessly addicted to something you know will probably kill you is punishment enough.

Maybe so, but people are making boatloads of money by getting people addicted, and I don't think that's right.

Thats kind of how consumer society works though.


You're just as much addicted to the music you listen to.

Anyone can be come addicted to anything. but cigarrettes have that added boost of chemical addiction, and I don't think that's nice.

Damn, Rob. Lighten up.

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]Maybe so, but people are making boatloads of money by getting people addicted, and I don't think that's right.[/QUOTE]By this point pretty much everybody knows cigarettes are harmful and addictive, and yet people still smoke them. You can't blame the tobacco companies for people's stupidity.

The City of Oakland imbounds your car and puts your face up on billboards all over the city, telling everyone that you were arrested for soliciting a hooker.

Public humility should be a valid punishment for crime

Except smoking and obesity put enormous stresses on our medical systems. People who make an effort to keep themselves healthy end up paying more money for insurance and get substandard care because of morons who eat 60 chicken mcnuggets in a day.

And the field of stench a smoker puts out isn't any less inconvenient than the fat man whose rolls of lard flow over and envelope passerby. Yeah, I said it: obesity and smoking are two sides of the same coin. They are both a cancer on society (literally) and everybody suffers the consequences of their bad choices.

Public humilation, you mean.

humiliation would be the act of humbling someone. public humility is the state of being humbled in public. so public humility is the result of being humbled in public implying that one was humiliated. just a difference in tense.

Humility is the property of being humble. Public humility is somewhat of an oxymoron, but whatever.

Public humiliation would be, for example, having your mug plastered all over the region's billboards for soliciting the services of prostitutes.

Humility and humiliation are totally different words. One is not a tense of the other.

Humiliation isn't the act of humbling someone. It's the act of humiliating someone.

It's possible to be humiliated and humble at the same time. It's also possible to be humiliated and arrogant at the same time.

I agree totally different words, but humiliation would certainly result in humility in the sense of general degradation. After all, most thesauruses have humiliate as being synonymous with the word humble.

I totally agree with everything rob has said this whole thread.
and totally disagree with everything Kanchi has said.

humiliation would not certainly result in humility. otherwise anyone who has ever been embarrased would be humble.
I think humility occurs when someone has a concious realisation that they have no justification to be arrogant and from then on are humble.
i dont think humility necessarily is forced upon someone.

HAHA i just looked up synonymous.


Kanchi:I agree totally differnet words...
...

synonymous si'nónumus
(of words) meaning the same or nearly the same

Kanchi:most thesauruses have humiliate as being synonymous with the word humble.

are you hitting on me? cuz i don't like that

is it really your goal in life to pick apart every sentence I type because i would really think that you would have something better to do with your time. seriously, it doesn't matter. You people need to chill out a bit.

and for the record, I agree with what rob said that idiots shouldn't be alound to drive anyways. I just really think that he's being a poor sport for attempting to end the conversation there without even adding an original idea to the mix. And despite my attempts to continue the conversation it would seem that none of you have anything origninal to present so i might as well give up.

Do all of your goals in life involve picking apart every sentence I type? I would have thought that you would all have something better to do with your time. You people need to relax.

I agree with what Rob said: idiots shouldn't be allowed to drive. In spite of my agreement, I believe Rob should have expanded upon his argument in a more complete manner. I also think that you are all acting immature by turning this discussion into a semantics debate. If this digression continues I will be forced to terminate my discourse on this subject.

You had to look up a word to correct someone else's mistake with it? Nice one.

he said 'most thesauruses have humiliate as being synonymous with the word humble.'

so i looked around.

if i just corrected him without checking, I would be a bit arrogant. It also would be just as bad as saying 'LividDk27 is synonymous with being retarded.... it says it in most thesauruses', without checking up on it.
i dont see what the problem is.

and i wanted the exact meaning of synoymous before i flamed someone without justification.

So you were obnoxious instead of arrogant. Good to know.


Ooh, ouch. You sure burned me there. I wish I had some kind of defense against childish insults, but alas! I am undone.


We're not supposed to be flaming at all. The only reason you made your second post was to get on Kanchi's case; it was uncalled for.

wft

what

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A massassi first, ladies and gentlemen!

Without getting into the argument, I'll just say Kanchi's city FTW. Good policy.

I agree that smoking is something that should be discouraged, but ultimately it's your own responsibilty. To revoke someone's driver license over it is absolutely ridiculous, in my opinion. I'm glad we don't have this kind of law enforcement where I live. Freaking law and order nazis. As if smoking is a crime. Holy hell.

Pfft... driver's license.

What they should do is TAKE AWAY YOUR CELLPHONE. Now THAT will make the teens stop smoking

Wouldn't they die from lackofcellphoneites?

I look forward to the day they pass that new law here everywhere else. Public smoking is now banned, consequences are a hefty fine.

ORJ_JoS, if you paid attention, you would notice that adults are not subject to this law. Adults are allowed to smoke. Children, on the other hand, are not legally allowed to smoke (or drink, or vote, or join the military) for the simple reason that they are incapable of making wise decisions independently. It is up to the parents to make those decisions for their children, but when the parents ignore their parental duties the matter is left to the state.

I hope next crazy law in your country would make being fat illegal. ROFLCOPTER.

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Quit smoking pot.

Your brain, might still be smart enough to thank you.