Uh huh... still taking cheap shots off of what might be a 2-3 year old subject. I'm glad I'm not you.

Rapists are branded for life.


You've raped someone's art.


You rapist.

You've raped my child hood.

You've durred my durr hurr hurr

The government should be concerned with other issues in health care. Is smoking that big of a problem?

It is afterall, a health care issue.

I don't know why I'm putting this back on topic. But I am.

I smoke cigarettes. Been doing it since I was 12. Been caught underage once. Don't have my license yet, and I'm about to be 19. I don't smoke while driving. (Yes, I drive without a license because I was taught to drive properly.)

I smoke pot every couple of weeks. For a couple of weeks. Been doing it since 16. Been busted once, but that was my own fault for being lazy. I don't do this while driving.

In short, I can understand a citation for smoking (roughly the cost of 8 packs in this area). I can understand the consequences of DUI, which is why I don't and will never do it. I do not however understand why underage smoking would result in the loss of a driver's license, except under the pretense of "If you can't follow this law, who knows if you'll follow traffic laws?" It's strange.

I don't advocate anything I do. I'm not for it, I'm not against it. I do what I want to because living to be on assisted living disgusts the hell out of me because I like being able to wipe my own *** when I need to. Smoking cigarettes is supposed to remove 10 years from my life, and I'll make damn sure it's those crippled, elderly, obsolete years. I'll be useless when I'm old, just like everyone else will be.

I've been dying since I was born. Why not do what I want sometimes? The choice of what you want to do is yours. If you feel like sparking up a caner stick, make sure you know the full effects of what is going to happen to you, even if it only might happen. If you smoke underage, then make sure you know damn well what will happen if you get caught, and how to not get caught if you care that much. Same goes for everything. Make sure you know the consequences. Me, I personally don't give a **** what happens to me in the future. I spend my time living here and now. I'll deal with the future when it happens.

(On a side note, I'll be getting my license soon. After that is my motorcycle license and then my bike. Wish me useless e-luck.)

No, you drive without a license because you are really really dumb. No license + no insurance -> your life is ruined if you ever get into an accident. Even if it isn't your fault.

Naturally, of course, you also smoke cigarettes even though you know what it's doing to your body and you got busted for possession, completing your personal Triforce of stupidity. I strongly recommend filling out your organ donor card and killing yourself, because some people out there could really use your organs and it doesn't seem like you need them for anything important.

Jon, I'm sorry if your cycle is acting up again. I'll buy you some Midol.

And again: I fully understand the consequences of what I do. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

I did pay attention, and my opinion still stands. I think it's a stupid way of law enforcement.

LOL GIRL PARTS ARE ICKY! THEY BLEED AND CAUSE PAINFUL CONTRACTIONS ONCE A MONTH, LOL! YOU ARE THE KING OF WIT!

EDIT: GET IT? ALAN ISN'T COOL FOR NOT "OBEYING THE RULES" AND POINTING OUT THE FACT THAT HE ISN'T COOL MEANS I AM A WOMAN WHO IS ON HER PERIOD. LOL.

People like you are why we can't have nice things.

Then I absolutely refuse to pay your medical bills. See I wish there were some way to put on your tax returns the option to not allow tax $$$ to go to people who wish to piss their life away.

You loathe the fact that you will be needing to be put on assisted living. Well guess what. Keep smoking like that and that's EXACTLY what will happen to you. I saw how cancer ravaged my grandfather. It was quite upsetting. He couldn't get up to save his life. And it started from lung cancer because he smoked for 20 odd years of his life.

Alan's a moron now and has always been one, shouldn't surprise you.

Ohhhhh!

Heh. I get it now.

It's not strange at all. You don't follow the rules, you lose nice things. One of those nice things is a driver's license. It's not a right, because there is no Constitutional amendment guaranteeing you a driver's license.

Weren't you ever denied candy/trip to the movies/dessert for dinner/grounded/allowance revoked by your parents when you misbehaved?

Holy crap, you people are nazis, haha.

Anyway.



Hey - guess what. I absolutely refuse to pay my environmental taxes because of you car owners. See I wish there were some way to put on your tax returns the option to not allow tax $$$ to go to people who wish to pollute my planet with their stinking automobiles, while I choose to live without one.

Etc. Etc.

Hm. Touché

Y'know, this thread sucks hard. End of story.

And you all have to look at this for god knows how long. Enjoy.

Mmm..that doesn't quite work. Someone smoking is a willful and conscious decision to using a product that erodes away at your health. Using an automobile is sometimes a necessity.

Not really. We're simply of the opinion that you shouldn't cry and whine about the fact that you got caught breaking the law.



As was said, your example is fallacious; some people need their automobile to get to work, to a hospital, etc. Do you need to smoke to get to work?

Ignoring the middle two pages of this thread....

I don't like smoking. But if people want to, fine. If they want to illegally, fine.

But I don't think this thread debate should really be about the intelligence of smoking, so much as it should be about the government and this law. The topic has been touched on, but not really focused on much.

Consequences should be related to the crime. I don't think it is appropriate to punish a teen driver for smoking by revoking their drivers license. I know people have said it's a "privledge, not a right" and I think that's bullocks. It's not a right no matter what your age.

Going to the movies is a privledge, not a right. Shopping at fancy stores and buying dinner at expensive resteraunts is a privledge, not a right.

I really don't see how smoking in any way influences your ability to drive. I know plenty of responsible (omg UNDERAGE) people who smoke and are responsible enough to drive. Just like there are many people who don't smoke and aren't nearly responsible enough to drive. l don't think smoking has anything to do with responsibility. Common sense, maybe. But responsibility? No.

Anyway. There's a lot of potential in this debate. It would be nice if people could set aside the nitpicking at bickering and picking and just talk and argue. (Peacefully.)

Smoking kills, but at least you look cool.

It's pretty bad when even FGR calls you a moron.

Quite.

FGR is offended because my name in the chat was longer than his (see: e-penis)

And no, I'm not trying. But I'm not trying not to.

What's really funny, is if you stopped smoking, started running 4 times a week, and avoided heavy consumption of alcohol and cut down on unhealthy foods, you will most likely never be bound to a bed, in fact, you'll probably go for a jog one day, fall asleep at night and simply never wake up. It's amazing how taking care of your body will actually make it last...

Whereas if you smoke, you get to spend the last 20 years of your life hacking and caughing and breathing through a hole in your neck.

See, the thing that both of our points have in common is that they end in death. Realistcally, the way I'm going, I won't live past 30. I sincerely hope I don't.

I think I'll continue to enjoy my carcinogens.

Hell, why wait then? You don't need cigs, a gun, or hell, if you're brave, a blade of some fashion will do. 30 is too far away, the ripe age of 19 is the perfect time to get a head start on all those suckers who'll live a long life. Plus you'll never look better for an open-casket funeral than right now.

Roach wins.

It's a just punishment. Why? Because you were breaking the law. If you don't break the law, then your license won't be revoked. If you think you should be allowed to smoke at an earlier age, lobby for it. Otherwise, you're simply arguing that you should be allowed to break the law, and that's just

I don't see how this is so difficult to figure out. You're breaking the law. Fining people obviously isn't enough to deter them. Jailing them and community service is unreasonable (school and possibly jobs). So, what do they not need? Their driver's license. They take the bus to school, and, voilá, they're at school!

"But they might need cars to get to a job!"
Don't break the law.

"But they might need cars to hang out with friends!"
Don't break the law.

This isn't difficult to figure out. Revocation of the driver's license does not seriously impair most pre-18 people, and those that it does - shouldn't break the law.

Hurr.

But teenagers generally DON'T need to drive. There's very few exceptions, and they generally relate to family financial problems. It's a right when it becomes required is what I'll believe in this circumstance (I'm not saying that's ALWAYS the case).

Nobody needs to drive. Except for the people who run public transportation. And airplanes. And stuff.

I understood it...

Damn thats's a good burn.
I feel special ro have recieved such an amazing burn.

I was talking mostly about the teenage years. Of course people who drive for a living more or less need to do it, that's different than a teenager's "need" to drive, unless he's supporting someone's life/family which is one of the few exceptions I mentioned.

Yes, sometimes is the keyword here.



Fine, fine. I still think it's valid, but, different example then.

What about people eating unhealthy food? Surely you don't want to be paying for their overweight problems like heart disease, diabetes, etc.etc.

Do you need to eat burgers to survive?

No, I meant, adults don't need to drive either. Everyone could get by fine just walking and using public transportation. So it would make just as much sense to take away adults' drivers licenses when they do something like solicit prostitution.

I know what you're talking about ("need" for driving being for recreational purposes) .. I'm just saying that it this lack of "need" isn't exclusive to teenagers. And yet, we still have and use cars, because they make things much more convenient.

The only argument here could be that adults have more responsibilities and therefore deserve to be less inconvenienced so as to allow them to carry out those responsibilities more effectively.

When they've linked burgers to numerous diseases that can't be reversed with simple exercise...

Well, I'll play a different card now. The penalties for prostitution are generally much worse than "No more car for you." aren't they? I'll take this as the same reason there's an age of consent.

Pre-18 year olds aren't "Old" enough to understand the psychological effects of sex and all that it entails. Same for smoking, I guess. Therefore, penalty is less severe for an adult than a minor becuase they "Don't understand the full dangers of smoking". In this case, less severe means they aren't penalized.

That's just how I would interpret it in this case, anyway.

Wait... you're saying adults get penalized for smoking, and even more severe than kids?