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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

How many women have you gone out with anyway?

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For a healty meal, eat mashed potatoes, peas, and catloaf.
"Massassi's cuttin' into my free time, man."

Valuable Life Lesson: Frog + Potato Gun = Blindness

I would say about 5 different women since the beginning of the year. I go for quality instead of quantity.



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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

Talking to someone if they address you probably.

But no really, if she doesn't like it, don't do it. It's fairly simple, and it doesn't compromise your beliefs, or your principles or your guide to wooing women or whatever.

It's like me saying you're a f***wit, you telling me that you don't like it, then me continuing to do so. I wouldn't do it, so why would you do it to maeve?

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If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards.

If someone finds something you said personally offensive, you apologise to them and dont say it again. Common decency.

It's what mature people do.

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I meant like... ever; in your whole life.

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For a healty meal, eat mashed potatoes, peas, and catloaf.
"Massassi's cuttin' into my free time, man."

Valuable Life Lesson: Frog + Potato Gun = Blindness

Har.

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-BV

Ok, having read more of what page has to say, I'd have to say that yes, in his case its about a lack of respect etc.
But I'd also like to say I am nothing like him, and that whole testicles comment really annoyed me and it was completely off the mark. I know I already responded to this but, I dunno, it just really irked me.

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I AM NOT SKOOJ!!!

You know what's fun to do? Switch out the following words:

"Testicals" to "white skin"
"male(s)" to "white(s)"
"women/girls/females/etc" to "(insert minority here)"
"chicks" to "(insert racial slur here)"

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Roach - Caught in the war of hemispheres.
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omg what the hell.
Now your trying to make me to be some sort of racist or something? Talk about blowing things way out of proportion.
Actually no, I'm not going to argue with you anymore, this is ridiculous. You've obviously decided by your own strange logic I'm some sort of bigot with no consideration for anybody else. Fine, you be that way, and I'll just continue to shake my head in astonishment.

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I AM NOT SKOOJ!!!

This post isn't directed to anyone in particular, just people in general.

Whenver I have or heard others use the word "chick" neither I nor anyone else I have known has ever had a dereogatory meaning behind it nor have we ever interperted it as having anything dereogatory behind it. It is just another way of saying girl, woman, and female. It is not the same as calling a woman a ***** or a black a n*****. Those are two completely different sets of vocabulary. If I had used a term offhanded like jap which I know is a racial slur and you were offended, then I would apologize and stop using it. But chick has no inherently offensive meaning behind it unless you purposely put something into the phrase to make it offensive(slutty chick, etc). Since no one has done that, it is best if you get over your unreasonable expectations that more accepting people than you are going to change their behavior to suit your irrational sensitivies and wants.

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Yecti: Jaiph will touch himself for hours if he so much as smells a woman's underwear

Thankyou for the Kieran, I was very close to simply closing the door on massassi forums, the hate from Roach really has cut me that deep.
But now I'm over the initial shock and I understand that not everybody here is like that.
I have noticed though, that there is no longer (much of)an argument going on, its more just attacks on people.
So I won't be commenting on this particular subject again, and I hope Roach and anyone else who has somehow decided I'm a pig will realise through future discussion I am not.

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I AM NOT SKOOJ!!!

Kieran, chick and ***** are very much the same thing. They both stem from the desire to compare women to mere animals (fox, cat, and bird fit into this, and this is seen in other languages aside from English as well), and not just animals, but very tame and trainable/huntable animals. Though it may have lost its meaning over the ages, it still had its roots as a derogatory phrase.

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Roach - Caught in the war of hemispheres.
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So if there was a word that you knew people found offensive, you'd use it anyway, wait til they said they didn't like it, then apologise and stop?
If you don't have the self control to not use racial slurs, I suggest you find an all white community and never leave.
Now, for a word to be offensive, people have to be offended by it. I find the word chick offensive, therefore it is. Are you following? I know I'm just being rude now, but frankly I really don't see what the problem is in respecting someone's wishes. Respect, common decency, whatever - if you can't manage it, there's gotta be something seriously wrong with your opinion of other people.

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[This message has been edited by mavispoo (edited July 26, 2004).]

I just think it's stupid that you get so worked up over a word that wasn't created in a derrogatory manner.

Roach--that's what we call overanalyzing. Nobody called girls chicks to compare them to animals. Who are YOU to talk about testicles now?

Besides that, this is the ugly side of Massassi rearing its head. You guys are tearing apart PW because he said "chicks" for chrissakes. I smell grudge.

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[This message has been edited by Dj Yoshi (edited July 26, 2004).]

It's the connotation that the word has, not the original meaning. And frankly, I find your ignorance on the subject rather frightening, honkey.

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I am unaware of any word that is inherently offensive. The offense given is relative to individuals and the context of the phrase. I've know a number of black people who couldn't care less if someone called them the "n" word and plenty of women who hate being called "chicks". So the "n" word is not an automatic slur.

Irrespective of whether you think the word "chick" has any inherent offense in it, Maeve finds it offensive, and common courtesy would indicate you don't use the word in her presence. It's really not that big a deal.

Eg: I swear like a trooper when I'm by myself, but I sure as hell don't do it in front of my grandmother because she finds it offensive. Curse words aren't inherently bad either, it the connotation given to the word, which differs from person to person which makes it offensive.




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It's not overanalyzing, it's knowing the origins of a term. I'm not quite sure what you mean by the whole testical comment. If being educated makes me less of a man, you may personally use my scrotum for a coin purse.

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Roach - Caught in the war of hemispheres.
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[This message has been edited by Roach (edited July 26, 2004).]

While I love you maeve, and I'd never want to offend you, I just don't see where you're comming from with this one. I mean, it'd be different if there were actual meanings within it (I disbelieve Roach's post) but the ONLY thing I could see being bad about the term is if someone didn't call you buy name, but by that. I don't use the term 'chick' unless I'm talking about someone I don't know. "Than these chicks walked by and he quick put the book down" or something like that. In no way is it meant to cause disrespect.

The N word is offensive because its used to offend.
B**** is used to offend.
c*** is used to offend.
Chick is not.

I mean, it'd be like you taking offense to the word 'Lady.'



No, it's like me generally using the term dude to refer to you, and you telling me that you don't like it, and me continuing to do it. While it may be annoying, it's still not offensive or attempting to lower me. Just my pet-peive.

JediKirby

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Roach - Caught in the war of hemispheres.
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The thing I'm getting at here, is WHY DOES IT MATTER. Mav said she was offended by it, but PW certainly didn't know that, so why should it matter so much? He's not ignorant for using it, he's not stupid for using it, he just didn't know or think anyone would be offended. I guess I got off on a tangent as to why it is/isn't offensive.

Zully--as much as I love your cheap shots, don't even talk to me about 'ignorance'.

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Eh, Maeve, I understand where you're coming from (and mostly agree) but I don't think that's what Kieran meant. I believe all he was saying was that if he used the word "chick" around a girl who was offended by it, without knowing ahead of time that such language offended her, he would apologize and not do it again.

Kieran, correct me if I'm wrong. The last thing I want to do is put words in your mouth.

That said, I'm all for not crucifying Pagewizard anymore. I disagree with almost everything he's ever said about girls, but that horse was beaten dead two pages back.

Anyway, I'll try to offer THRAWN some helpful advice (only to fail miserably, I'm sure). First, enjoy it while she's still around. That way, even if it falls apart, you won't have missed out on anything. Do what you want, and don't do anything you don't want to (collectively, that is). Also, if you're going to keep the relationship going, you'll have to make sure you're committed to each other, not just to having a significant other (like a certain long-distance relationship I was in). Cliché, I know, but that's all I've got.

Good luck!

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[This message has been edited by Michael MacFarlane (edited July 26, 2004).]

so what is the point of that link? It's incredibly dry reading, so would you please just post the damn point of the article? Thanks.

Also, From the best of my recollection, I have had about 15-20 different women in the past ever since I became who I am now. Before that, none.

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[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited July 26, 2004).]

And I'm sorry you think some archaic defintion still holds sway now because it doesn't. Any meaning it may have had has given way to a new, more generic meaning and the old one has been forgotten by most people.

I know you think I'm stupid, but come on. That would go against common sense and experiance. I wouldn't walk into a room of blacks and start saying "Yo my n****s, how are all my n****s doin?" I know n***** is a horrible term to use because it has been used as such by contemorary society. Side note: Though even the meaning of n***** is being watered down from year to year. There will probably come a time when n***** becomes a generic everday term that is used in idle conversation by more thn just the blacks. That days has yet to come though.

If the people who are offended by something I do or say are in the minority, I tend to ignore them because I've learned it is those people who are just whining to get attention and expect people to conform to their ideal of acceptable. Your opinion may be in the majority where you live, but that doesn't really matter because I don't live there nor am I interacting with you on a face to face basis. Should the latter scenario happen, I probably would make a mental note to try and stay away from the word "chick" to avoid rough waters. If you make such a big deal about such an inconsequential word over the internet, you need to learn to just ignore it.

Yet, you do make some sense. For your sake I won't use the word "chick". A lot of this has to do because you weren't trash talking or anything and being pretty calm about the whole thing. Unlike what goes on a lot in these forums all too often(and I'm not pointing fingers at you Roach, just so you know). But for the record, I still think you are a crazy kook.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited July 26, 2004).]

Isn't the 'n' word just derived from negro which is spanish for black? So according to the logic some people are choosing to follow, use of the 'n' word for referring to a black person should actually be less insulting than use of 'chick' for referring to a woman.

Frankly I believe this to be utter rubbish. Personally I don't use 'chick', I tend to use 'girl', however I even feel uncomfortable with this because technically all the ones I associate with are 'women'. Force of habit is a strong thing. If a woman makes a point of being offended if I refer to them as a 'girl', i'll probably not use it around her and reduce my overall use of the word. But not before.

On a vaguely-related note, I wasn't aware that 'Jap' was a racial slur, I thought it was just a logical abbreviation of 'Japanese'. Like 'Brit' is an abbreviation of 'Briton'

So my overall point is that you should find individual words offensive, but rather any offensive intent meant when they are delivered. But if someone does take offense to use of the word, it's the decent thing to respect their feelings.

Yoshi: the issue was never whether the word was offensive or not, it was whether the word should continue to be used once someone has established that they find it offensive. You can't be expected to know these things in advance as everyone has differing definitions of offense. English is a big language and its not hard to find a substitute for a word that someone finds offensive, irrespective of whether you agree with it or not.



You've had women? ugh. Normally I just think you're full of it, but that comment right there, where you've essentially likened women to meat or products you have tried is just reprehensible. I can't even begin to express my disgust. Newsflash "stud": sex isn't an achievement. I shudder to think what you were like previously if this is the "improved" you.

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Roach - Caught in the war of hemispheres.
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Aye. And I see black people calling themselves n*****s all the time. Does that mean it's acceptable to call them all n*****s? No, because some still find it offensive, and you have to respect that.

The same applies here. I don't care how many girls you know who don't mind being called chicks.


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ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!

funny this, was reading the first page of this topic and got to the bottom and relised it had just developed into an argument of opinions instead of that of a decent discussion....jumped to the third page, not much change...lets see how the 4 page is heating up....

what to do I find, topic of the argument (if you can really call it that) has mostly changed but still people are being far too blunt to one another and not taking into account what each other is saying..... we don't all think the same way here folks....

we live in a place called the world, its big, very big, just because we may speak the same language doesn't in anyway mean we are all going to use it in the same way.

still, least it has migrated from a Pagewizard bashing thread into a general bashing of each other thread....highly
***amusing*** (only thing I can do is laugh at some of the things being said here) to see people getting worked up by, lets be honest, trival things.

/me starts singing John Lennon - all we need is love

get a grip folks and take into account what each other is saying and learn to live with differences, heck I have to live with my parents while i'm not at uni....

On topic, I've got together with a girl at uni who lives 150 miles from me while we are on break, I still drive to see her every weekend if I can and call her each night and during the day, its hard, didn't think it would be easy, but if both parties involved are willing and committed to each other there is no reason why something like distance can not be over come.

Give it a go THRAWN, k things might in the end break down but at least you will be able to say you tried and won't wonder for the rest of your life, what if? so what if your heart gets broken after say 12 months and you find it isn't working, its how we learn, you'll get over it, you won't known unless you try.

and Page, if you always see negatives thats all you'll ever get, a 1 in a 100 chance is still a chance.

/end rant, sleep now

[edit: grammer mistakes...hey its 1am what'd you expect ZZZzzzz]

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[This message has been edited by James Bond (edited July 26, 2004).]

I don't think that theres anything wrong with calling girls chicks. It's common slang where I live, so I grew up using it, and will continue to do so. Besides, why should maeve get her way on this when shes the only one complaining? Besides, what has she done lately for any of you that you have to get so anal about this? Like Yoshi said, its not a big deal, so let it go. Getting worked up over something as insignifigant as chicks is like polishing the brass on the titanic-- its all going down anyway, so you're wasting your time.

Maeve: You need to chill out and stop taking everything so seriously. The world does not revolve around what you want, and sooner or later you are going to find someone or something that pisses you off, so just deal with it and get over it.

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I have found that you can transform your character solely by the power of belief: as you believe yourself to be, so you shall become over time.

same old massassi...some things will never change

so long time no see guys

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Men and their wars!... I think that men raise flags when they can't get anything else up!
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Apparently you've missed the last few douzen posts.

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because the term is directed to her. besides, she's not the only one
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well it could have something to do with her being a respected member of the community and since this is supposed to be a community, we're kind of supposed to stick up for one another. Maybe I've been hanging around 5 year olds too much but that's my general idea.

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Men and their wars!... I think that men raise flags when they can't get anything else up!
~from Pippin

Yeah, you guys are are being way to harsh, it's obviously just common slang so deal with it.

Whilst we're on the subject of common slang, words are fun! Around here we refer to guys who think they are Gods gift to women and chase anything that will satisfy their fragile ego as whorehounds. That's whorehounds. I wonder if it'll catch on around here.

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Flex--I love you man, but LET IT GO. It's a word, it was said in passing, and arguing like you are isn't going to change his mind from saying it again. Let it go.

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I cant believe it's degraded into this. It's a complete hijack of Thrawns thread disussing something that we're obviously not all going to agree on?

Can I suggest agreeing to disagree here?



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[sings] why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends
why can't we be friends
why can't we be friends [/sings]

I'm sure there are other words to that song...

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Men and their wars!... I think that men raise flags when they can't get anything else up!
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/waves hand

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[This message has been edited by -Run (edited July 26, 2004).]

Nope. That's all of em!

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