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The official Presidential Elections thread
2008-11-03, 5:19 PM #41
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
;957617']I'm not sure I trust that chart, cause I'm pretty sure Obama doesn't favor the immediate withdrawal, although he might have at some point


As they kept arguing about during the debates, Obama favors a timeline for withdrawal and McCain favors no set timeline (that is, Obama says "lets lay down a plan and carry it out" and McCain says "lets trust our generals to let us know when we should start moving out," in their own words)
一个大西瓜
2008-11-03, 8:10 PM #42
If you can't see the bias in that chart, I feel sorry for you.
2008-11-03, 8:52 PM #43
Yeah, like they keep bringing up minor 'issues' that take advantage of homophobes, for example.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2008-11-03, 10:19 PM #44
The most important things to me are energy solutions and stem cell research/abortion rights. Obama wins on that front, Obama gets my vote. I could care less about whether or not gays are "married" as long as civil union becomes more widespread (as it is) and they get the same rights.

Iraq matters too but either president is going to have tons of criticism on how they handle it no matter if they withdrew the day they got in office (impossible) or stayed for another 20 years. There isn't any clear answer, but I would like an at least 90% withdrawal as soon as possible.

One thing obama hasn't been clear on (at least that I know of) is foreign policy, of which he has no experience and no real concise plan.

I want to be able to call myself an American abroad again without getting stupid Bush jokes thrown at me.
America, home of the free gift with purchase.
2008-11-03, 10:22 PM #45
Originally posted by JM:
I don't like the way Bob Barr was lumped in with all write-in candidates.

The reason people's votes don't matter is because they think their votes don't matter. If you got over this idea that you HAVE to vote for one of the two, otherwise you're throwing your vote away, we would have a viable third party tomorrow. And then we could get rid of all this bull****, and people would actually have a chance to vote for someone they agree with, and not waste their time figuring out which of the 'only two that stand a chance' they disagree with less.

Two candidates just isn't enough.


Completely agree.
America, home of the free gift with purchase.
2008-11-03, 10:30 PM #46
Exactly.

But do you realize how impossible that would be? The Reps and the Dems will do anything to keep control. That's why they set up the Debate Commission thing... so they could lock out 3rd parties and set up their own rules.
2008-11-03, 10:43 PM #47
Originally posted by Z@NARDI:
But anyway, I found this on the web.. maybe it's helpful? Based on it though, I choose McCain.


That reminds me of the time I had a secret abortion in Hawaii.

But seriously, Obama. If I even wake up in time to vote today. Does not look like it's happening though.
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2008-11-03, 10:52 PM #48
[http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20081103&t=2&i=6647692&w=450&r=2008-11-03T224320Z_01_BTRE4A21R4D00_RTROPTP_0_USA-POLITICS-OBAMA]
[http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20081103&t=2&i=6647663&w=450&r=2008-11-03T224037Z_01_BTRE4A21R0100_RTROPTP_0_USA-POLITICS-OBAMA]
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2008-11-03, 10:54 PM #49
What? I don't get it.
DO NOT WANT.
2008-11-03, 10:59 PM #50
I love how both sides use "SUPPORTED BUSH'S PLAN OF xyz" as ways of bashing each other
2008-11-03, 11:01 PM #51
Originally posted by Zell:
What? I don't get it.


I heard his mom died, I think that's right.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2008-11-03, 11:02 PM #52
No, it was his grandma, in Hawaii. Totally blows that she died A DAY before election day.
2008-11-03, 11:10 PM #53
She voted early and they're still gonna count her vote.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2008-11-03, 11:12 PM #54
Pffffftt
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2008-11-03, 11:17 PM #55
Here's the article: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/03/obama.grandma/index.html

It really does suck :( cancer sucks.
一个大西瓜
2008-11-03, 11:19 PM #56
Also, Obama wins the first town of the election with 15 out of 21 votes.

It says 100% of registered voters showed up, so I guess the town (75 residents) only had 21 registered voters.
一个大西瓜
2008-11-03, 11:34 PM #57
What a bunch of rubes. Not a single write-in or 3rd party candidate? Or even possible statement of defiance by non-vote?
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2008-11-04, 12:08 AM #58
Actually, it's pretty incredible that they all showed up.

It's also interesting that in a town that has voted red since 1968, Obama won by like 40 percent.
2008-11-04, 4:52 AM #59
Originally posted by Freelancer:
What a bunch of rubes. Not a single write-in or 3rd party candidate? Or even possible statement of defiance by non-vote?


The highest nationwide share any third-party candidate is going to get in this election is about 2%. In a town of 21 registered voters, it's no surprise that none of them voted third-party.
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2008-11-04, 5:19 AM #60
Not a US citizen, but if I had to choose between McCain and Obama, I'd vote Obama. That said, I probably wouldn't vote for him if he were a candidate over here, because there would be a lot of candidates that come closer to my personal ideals. That's what sucks about choosing the lesser of two evils.

People in the US should vote 3rd party candidates en masse.

What really pisses me off is that where I live there's a disturbing trend of more and more people giving their vote to one of the big parties just because they feel their votes won't matter if they don't. Which is not true, because small parties have grown into big ones in the past, and vice versa.
ORJ / My Level: ORJ Temple Tournament I
2008-11-04, 9:06 AM #61
Originally posted by Freelancer:
She voted early and they're still gonna count her vote.


I wonder who she voted for.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2008-11-04, 9:20 AM #62
When do we get the results?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2008-11-04, 9:29 AM #63
Well, the ballots will be counted through the evening and well into the morning. And then the inevitable recount. My guess is within the week.
TAKES HINTS JUST FINE, STILL DOESN'T CARE
2008-11-04, 9:56 AM #64
My guess is by 10:00 p.m. Central, two hours after polls close in Colorado.
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2008-11-04, 10:17 AM #65
Originally posted by Vin:
No, it was his grandma, in Hawaii. Totally blows that she died A DAY before election day.


Don’t feel so bad, Vin. Old people die. It’s what they do.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2008-11-04, 10:19 AM #66
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Dont feel so bad, Vin. Old people die. Its what they do.


McCain is old...
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2008-11-04, 10:22 AM #67
Yeah, but imagine how great it would be for her to see Obama actually elected?

But who knows, maybe she's better off dying before the results come in.
2008-11-04, 10:41 AM #68
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DO NOT WANT.
2008-11-04, 3:17 PM #69
Quote:
I want to be able to call myself an American abroad again without getting stupid Bush jokes thrown at me.
"We have a monkey for a president and we're STILL more powerful than you. What does that say about your country?" Try that. It really pisses them off something fierce.

Quote:
What a bunch of rubes. Not a single write-in or 3rd party candidate? Or even possible statement of defiance by non-vote?
Weird. I heard on the morning radio show I listen to that two of them wrote in Ron Paul. That's breaking news for ya!
Democracy: rule by the stupid
2008-11-04, 3:51 PM #70
Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
When do we get the results?


If the election isn't close (which I think will be the case), then probably 10:00 PM EST.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2008-11-04, 3:57 PM #71
results will start rolling in ~7ish and continue to be reported till 11ish. GMT-5
My girlfriend paid a lot of money for that tv; I want to watch ALL OF IT. - JM
2008-11-04, 4:08 PM #72
McCain is currently leading Obama 8 electoral votes to 3 --

McCain: Kentucky (8)
Obama: Vermont (3)

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/

Has a tracker if you don't have a TV or if you hate watching coverage for some reason.
一个大西瓜
2008-11-04, 4:33 PM #73
There's already a Google map live coverage on the first post.

http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/#2008_election
2008-11-04, 4:36 PM #74
Sweet! The historical election maps are very interesting.. look at the 1988 election compared to the 1996 one!
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2008-11-04, 4:38 PM #75
Not all the maps will be the same (Google ones included), since the projections by diff networks will be different.

A couple networks have called West Virginia for McCain now, pushing his lead to 13-3.

Just for your reference, here are some other trackers:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23887017 (NBC)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ (ABC)

http://www.cbsnews.com/ (CBS)
一个大西瓜
2008-11-04, 4:41 PM #76
Does anyone have a good internet place for local politicians?
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2008-11-04, 4:46 PM #77
Usually your local county site will have something like that. (LA does at least).
一个大西瓜
2008-11-04, 4:50 PM #78
According to some networks, McCain now has 21-3 lead (south carolina)
一个大西瓜
2008-11-04, 5:02 PM #79
CNN just calld a ****load of states... Obama now leads 77-34 according to them.

The other networks have called more for Obama... ABC 102-34, CBs 81-39.
一个大西瓜
2008-11-04, 5:51 PM #80
CNN just called Pennsylvania for Obama. McCain's gambit didn't pay off, and now there's very little chance he wins.
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