Because people shoot us.



No. And, the moron behind him was speeding faster, while holding a video camera with one hand.



Saves a hell of a lot of time when my opticonn system changes the light before I get there.



Scraping the bottom of the barrel tonight?

JLee is my hero.

Only me who thinks the guy in the video is a douche?

Negative, ghostrider.

The bottom is usually much better than the top.

Lots of people who don't even carry guns get shot.

So I'm supposed to relax my guard because so many other people get shot, it must be okay?

Sorry pal. Maybe you don't give a ***** about yourself, but I'm going home after my shift. Every time, no matter what it takes.

Just a thought (but, you know, don't let logic get in the way or anything), but that people want to shoot you might just indicate that you shouldn't do what you do, either for your sake or everyone's.

The only logical ambition for being a police officer I can think of is the lust for power. I can't think of any other force that can override one's desire for self-preservation.

Because not all of us are sissified pansies who want to hide from the big scary man just because he might hurt us.

So, your ambition for becoming a police officer is a desire for conflict? Why not be a criminal, then? Same thing, only you wouldn't have had to waste a bunch of time and effort at the beginning.

I don't mean this in a derogatory way... but I'm sure if you actually think about it you'll find several other very possible motivations...

None that make any sense.

I can see how some might make sense from a different mindset, such as a brainwashed or confused one.

JLee is a big jerk dummy. :saddowns:

I'd rather not perfectly level headed people beginning picking up this way of thinking too. I'm sure this is the same thing [heavily armed bank robber] thinks too.


I don't mean to say one should pay no attention to the situation or anything, but that there's no reason to be "nervous" of stupid people in traffic. Arrest the kid or w/e, but this "I will kill you" attitude among authorites isn't gonna go without some sort of reaction, from the kid, or people who listen to gangsta rap music :P.

JLee, I think the reason people are getting at you is because no where have you also said that the cop who was going 90MPH in what seemed like a somewhat residential area was also acting like a dumbass. You've come across as saying that the person with the camera was just MORE of a dumbass because he was holding the camera and going "faster", which we ALL have acknowledged. That dude had some balls, and what he did was horrendously stupid, but nonetheless it was awesome to see some civil disobedience in action.

Do you really think it's okay for a cop to be going 90MPH whenever they want, just because it's "legal" for the cop to do so? I think that's more the question people are trying to ask you, but perhaps not in the best way.

Regarding the attitude thing, I think it's come because there is this notion that whenever teenagers or young adults try and act polite, that we are just being sarcastic. When I was pulled over and asked if I had any weapons or such in the car, and I said "no sir", the policeman replied "don't get smart with me kid". Again, that's just one cop, but it's a trend I've noticed among the kids I know who have been pulled over.

The simple fact that I'm the guy going after said heavily armed bank robber is irrelevant? Are you unable to make the distinction between a criminal and a law enforcement officer?


If you're ever stopped by me, I will be cordial, polite and respectful. If you try to kill me, you will (possibly, depending on the specific situation, circumstances, etc) leave in a bag. You'll never know until then, so I'm not sure what you're so uptight about.

The person with the camera was more of a dumbass. There's no disputing this!


Nobody has asked that question. No, it's not okay for anyone to be going 90mph whenever they want.


One could also say there's a notion that whenever officers are firm and direct, that they're just being powerhungry egotripping maniacs.

The whole state of Arizona doesn't use turn signals.

I doubt that there's anyone out there with any common sense that doesn't already know that there are a ton of cops that speed when they're not responding to a call. Cops are human & they're just as "bad" as the people they go after. A friend of mine has several cops in his family & they drink, smoke pot & cheat on their wives just like everyone else. That being said, the vast majority of cops that I've met in my life are *******s, but I'd much rather have them around, than not.

i say this with all the love in the world, but neither do asian people

I'm not saying there isn't a distinction between criminals and police, just that there isn't a distinction between the idea "no matter what it takes" and the idea "no matter what it takes."



That's what I'm uptight about, it's almost as if you look forward to killing someone. I'm not arguing for the impossible situation where violent confrontations end with nobody dying, but the attitude of "yeah I killed him/her and I don't care because I'm still here" inspires everyone else to believe killing another person is something they should be ready to do in life.

Wrong. Asians signal when they have no intent on turning or changing lanes for several miles, or when the intended direction of the turn or lane change is opposite that which has been signaled.

So you'd rather have a bunch of apathetic cops and soldiers who don't care if they die? I will go home. I will not allow someone to kill me and take me away from my family and loved ones. If that's a problem for you, don't try to hurt me and we'll get along just fine.


Then your interpretation is incorrect. I don't want to kill anyone. However, I accept the reality that I may be required to do so.

It is my impression that it makes you uncomfortable that I have the capacity for violence. I apologize if you are offended. This is my job.

I have filed one use of force report in over two years. It happened after this:


Don't judge me until you've been in my position.

Ace 1, I don't see what you are getting at here.

Yes, there are ******* cops. There are plenty of them, I think JLee will admit that. But how are you getting this notion that cops just want to kill people from what JLee said. He said if he has to use force, he will. Where in any of that are you getting this murderous attitude? You must be against the whole military as well.

I'm sure there will be ******* cops that might use excessive force when un-needed. But there are plenty of common citizens who might use excessive force when they don't need to either when dealing with another person. It's not like it's just cops that go beyond the realm of reasonable treatment. I've run into a lot more regular citizens who were fools and wanted to use some excessive force than cops

I don't even know where your getting this idea from what I posted. I just don't think killing should be thought of as the priority/above-all way to make things right, despite how necessary it may be.


Then we agree on something. God forbid it ever happens, nobody should praise the fact that it did. Nobody is judge, jury, AND executioner.


Apparently Alvin York was some sort of pacifist. I don't mind.

mscbuck:
I am NOT against the military or police, just bad ideas. The military and police are part of the executive branch right? I believe it's very distastefull whenever people have the idea that military/police's job is the kill people because those people are just oh-so bad. They are a workforce that brings bad people to their impending judgement.

**** THA PO-LICE!

Am I doing this right?

Never did I state, nor did I imply, that killing was the way to "make things right."

I did say that I will do what is necessary to go home at the end of my shift. If someone attempts to do me harm, I will respond with an appropriate level of force. If the threat to myself or a third person is of a level capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death, I will respond with deadly force and neutralize the threat. If they live, they go through the court system. If they don't - it was their decision.

Corporal Bruce McCay of the Franconia, NH Police Department was shot, ran over and killed on May 11, 2007. A passerby picked up Cpl. McCay's service weapon, ordered the suspect to drop his weapon, and dropped him when he did not comply.

Bruce left behind a wife and a little girl. The fact that the suspect is dead will do nothing to bring him back and it will not heal his broken family. However, I have no shred of remorse regarding what happened to the suspect, and I would have done the same if it were me responding to the scene.

Even though it was two years back, thinking about his little girl at the funeral brings tears to my eyes. I'm not sure you will ever understand.

"If someone attempts to do me harm, I will respond with an appropriate level of force."
Who wouldnt? but we never talk about it on this level. I think it's bad taste.

"I have no shred of remorse regarding what happened to the suspect"
I must say I don't either, because he killed someone like me. Another human being. The fact that police/criminal/Marine/father/son/daughter is involved is irrelevant to me.

You're not a cop. You call us to deal with situations that you are either incapable or unwilling to handle. No offense intended - that's what we are here for. If you think this is bad taste, you're in for a surprise if you ever hear the "gallows humor" common to police, firefighters and paramedics!

And, to answer your question, most people are not violent. My options regarding force are broader than that of your average person, because it's also my responsibility to take someone into custody, and said someone doesn't always play by the rules.


Then why are you so concerned about what I'm saying?

Maybe we are more in agreement than I had thought.

So its not logical to want to do good to society and community by being a police officer, making the place safer for everyone.

at Ace 1:

So, what is the appropiate level of force for someone whos trying to shoot you? Is it not shoot back?

Should you not be mentally prepared to do and accept these things.

Cop deserved it. What if the guy had been in need of help or something? The ****ing cop just ran away from him.

Following a cop is a poor way to ask for help.

How?

Are you kidding me?

If you want to attract attention you do more than just follow a cop, you honk at him, pull next to him try to attract his attention, by waving etc etc etc, if all you do is follow him you raise suspicion.

Calling works pretty well too.

JLee don't be ridiculous, phones are tapped.

YOU PROMISED YOU WOULDN'T TELL