Blind cop-haters are ****ing dumb.

yeah ditto on that krokodile (I GOT YOUR BACK YO)
obviously freelancer fails at reading comprehension and didn't understand the meaning of "if you do that you'll get rich"
i think jlee meant that figuratively as if stopping uncooperative criminals without brutal means is nearly impossible

While I don't agree with what the police are doing in these situations, you can't blame the police officer for doing his job. If I am smoking a joint in public, when I know it's illegal to do so, no matter how stupid that law may be or how much I disagree with it, it is still the law and I take my own risk smoking outside in the first place. I love weed and I agree you should be able to smoke it wherever you want, and cops shouldn't arrest you for smoking a plant (that's also a different argument altogether) but they aren't the ones that made it into law to be illegal, and they are just doing their job. Could they make you throw it away instead of arresting you? Absolutely. But that's not what I am arguing here. Nor its (marijuana's) legality. I am simply saying that the cops are the middle-men, and they are forced to do their job. I can't say something like "Uphold the law 100% of the time or do not take the job at all, period" as I did in my last post, and then turn around and say "Oh yeah unless you're smoking a joint then of course ignore what I just said". That's just silly.



Yes, they do. Clearly you've not graduated from High-School yet.


Oh and on a sort of related note..

http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-nymineo2912815976may28,0,150782.story

Ooh yeah you're so cool now

Seriously, cop-haters are as lame as conspiracy freaks.

Hate a specific cop for his personality, etc. Fine. Hate all cops for no reason other than your flawed opinion and outlook on the world, not so fine.

Wow, what a great way to generalize, and yet discount, all those high-school teachers. Elementary-High School teachers for the most part, get paid ****. Only slightly more than cops do (hur). I know plenty of teachers (my mom for instance) who teach because they like to teach. Talk to any private school teacher where they are getting paid a whole ton less than public school teachers, they aren't teaching for the money. They may be teaching there to be in a "safer" environment (so they think), but not even that alone is worth a 20k dollar reduction in pay.

I agree with you though about college. Professors do get paid a lot of money, and man do some of them suck *** when it comes to teaching, and it is pretty clear they don't WANT to teach. Or maybe they do and they really do just suck haha

I didn't mean it to come off that way (generalization of high school teachers). You misinterpreted what I said. I was speaking more on how she must be from High-school and not yet graduated from it because she hasn't yet experienced the reality of College teachers being horribly bad at teaching usually, etc, as per the second half of your post.

I know high school teachers are fantastic and a lot of the best teaching and life lessons come from that area of a persons life.

06 with straight A's. kthanks. first going in to teaching you dont start out getting paid much. im friends with 2 teachers. one of them was one of my own teachers actually, but they both wanted to be teachers since they were little because they loved to learn and wanted others to have their same school experiences. so dont tell me its only for the money. and if your college teachers sucked, maybe you should have gone to a different school. you really do have things twisted. im sure the i have a dream speech was written for popularity as well no?

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!???
are you seriously advocating that everyone should aspire to mediocrity because beings successful in business inevitably breeds violence? that is seriously comparable to blaming a woman for getting raped because she wore a dress that was a little too short.
so its my own fault that people want to rob me? i mean hey i really should have considered that before i decided to go out and make something of myself!
and how the hell are YOU being ****ed by the system sally? please explain that one to me. hey! heres an idea! if your not happy with where you are in life how about instead of whimpering and *****ing about all the social handout that your NOT getting, you go and get a better education and a better job!? hell, i dont know maybe you could even start your own business? OH! but wait you cant be successful, if forgot! because that would just be asking for violence!
and what the **** is up with this whole "police are there for whoever has the loosest purse strings" bull ****? yes there is always going to be some corruption in ANY facet of life. the police have been there for me any time i have actually needed them. the only thing of mine that i am keeping closed tighter than my "coffers" is my butt because let me tell you i had some fierce chinese food last night!




this is ABSURD!!!!! it has been human nature since the beginning of time to want what someone else has. in the type of society you are advocating petty jealousy and vindictive scheming will rule the day. people would be dragged out into the streets and torn apart simply because they have something someone else wants and now suddenly "i saw mr. cleese here sticking pins into his poppet and now my daughter is sick" mob kills mr. cleese and joe sniffles gets the late mr. cleeses new car.
yes, even the police are not perfect, or exempt from corruption but the benefit of having them as a single piece of the whole pie that is our justice system is invaluable. [/rant]

I'm way behind in the thread, but I don't see how any man's reaction should be any different from what JLee said.

If someone where to pull out a weapon with the intent to hurt or kill me, my wife, or my baby girl, I would do whatever it takes to stop them. I'm sure that any sane man would do the same.

It doesn't matter whether you're a cop or not, but when you're a cop (or a soldier), the chances of you being in such a situation increase exponentially.

Free's probably just saying this to get a rise out of people. I doubt he's serious.

Edit : I HOPE he isn't.

Yeah Jep, that's been my suspicion for a while.

if that is true, then well played sir... well played.

"It is nonetheless important to emphasize that killing, when justified and necessary, is not something to be glorified or celebrated. It is just something that is. Being forced to kill another human being is not something we do with a hatred of the crook or glee at their demise."

The way many of people talk about the need for killing seem to believe the opposite of this, especially the last sentence. If you really don't think this then that's fine, but some comments can come off as the opposite. I feel police and soldiers are simply obliged to just defend themselves and others, but lots of people come off as if they're all supposed to be some kind of judge, jury, and executioner.

police are there to enforce the law and keep the peace. often that will include defending themselves and occasionally that may also include using lethal force. however i dont think any (with of course a few exceptions) officers go out every day thinking... "gadzookes! i hope i get to shoot someone today!"

and as for soldiers, that is a completely different story. soldiers are there to complete a mission. its not like they go looking for a war to get involved so they can be like "alright lads! lets go defend ourselves!"

I've been to two different colleges, different cities, different years. In my experience I've had maybe a handful of teachers that were actually there to TEACH, and not for the paid summer vacations/time off/50k+ a year salary. Not to mention all the stories you hear about people having bad experiences with a college professor. I'm not saying my experience is enough to go off of or that there aren't good professors out there, but there is a reason that you hear a lot of horror stories about people having bad professors in college. About the dream speech for popularity, anything's possible.

What I meant by posting that image was that based on the post it was a response to, you say things that don't make sense because you're blinded by something, I assume your personal negative experiences with cops. What you're saying is that there would be less violence if we didn't have the police enforcing laws. What exactly do you base that claim on? From what I'm aware, observation of the past doesn't support your claim.

Another thing you say is "If there's a dispute between a corporation and an individual, the individual loses every time." which also isn't true considering there have been cases where individuals have won lawsuits against corporations.

Another layer of foil in your hat will protect you from the Police and Big Corporations, Free.

I wasn't aware that it was the cops were the ones who decided guilt an innocence in cases of the common man against the big corporations. You give the police far more power than they actually have in your accusation.

JM, based on Freelancer's posting history, there's no reason to not believe he actually means what he's said in this thread.

niiiiiice

Dude, Free.

Seriously man, what the hell?

what are you saying

You're not looking back far enough then. Try 2004ish.

Elaborate?

Bah...I got sick of typing.

Professors don't want to teach. That is not their primary reason for becoming professors (in most cases). If they wanted to teach students, they would have taken the easy way out and become high school teachers instead of spending years on a dissertation.

The most hilarious thing said in this thread is that police officers take the job because they want power. Yeah. The power to do ENDLESS paperwork! I remember when some punk kids shot out one of my car windows on my street (and like 4 other cars down the street) and the officer had to stop by each one and ask us questions and fill out paperwork--knowing full well that A) his report wasn't going to be useful for insurance purposes because no one is going to claim insurance on one broken window.. and B) absolutely no hope of even finding the people who did it.

P.S. if he found those kids, I hope he was a dick to them.

Even when officers are in power, they have to settle for telling young people off. Nothing quite like the power trip of writing up MIP's for a kegger... I bet that's a trip. Or how about the thrill of sitting for an hour at a speed trap so you can meet the quota on tickets.

Let's face it. Being a police officer probably sucks. We should leave JLee alone. I cannot believe how after JLee writes multiple posts, people have been riding one or two half-sentence quotes of his to make their case. So he could have been more poetic than to say that he'd have you in a body bag if you tried to kill him. Doesn't invalidate the rest of his points.

I had the hardest time not refering to anyone as a police officers, or criminals, or civilians, or etc. I guess I failed to say I was trying to address the poetic word choices, because of how they come off. Maybe if less literature talked about kill-or-be-killed in this light, non-sugarcoated, it's essentially having to kill to get your way with a bad situation, maybe less bad guys will show up thinking THE SAME THING.

I know a lot of you are missing this and saying I must be saying police should put their guns down or something else I obviously never said. You can keep on cleaning up bad situations the hard way, since there's no other way to do it, but this doesn't address the REAL problem: why bad people think it's a good idea to pull guns on other people in the first place.

there are other ways people kill people other than guns...just saying.

It's not "having to kill to get my way." It's possibly having to kill to protect someone's life. The difference is huge - I don't initiate conflict!


Rather than trying to tear me apart, then, perhaps you may consider directing your attention to the modern 'culture of violence' - e.g. gang life, certain rap music, etc. I guarantee you that has much more affect on the overall 'acceptability of violence' than my occasional discussion on Massassi.

The things that you're saying are crazy talk.

Eh, Free is ignoring any actual posts countering his ridiculous arguments and just quoting ones that are saying wtf, though in this case wtf is a fair enough response.

Well, I apologize if that's how I came across. I've got to break things down to get my thoughts together. In my understanding, this society's apparent idea towards violence doesn't just come strictly from one group of people or another (da po-po, gangtas, general baddies, general good guys, Freelancer's big corporations), and obviously some groups have worse ideas for violence than others (violent gangs), but none of them seemed to actually post something I wanted to discuss.

I think I actually did briefly mention "certain rap music" earlier in this thread ;). I'm sure "gangsta's" inspirations for violence are from lot of misconceptions about other people, especially police, and are worth discussing; but no living-inspirations for gangsta rap posted here either.

People who think Rap music, certain types of entertainment, video games, or movies lead to violent behavior are retarded. Try "l2parent" first.

Not according to [url]www.apa.org/journals/releases/psp845960.pdf[/url]

Feel free to cite a contradicting peer reviewed study.

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Feeling is not the same as doing.