i like this thread, this is exciting.

Emon, I must say, I think you've done a fine job of putting to words a concept difficult to pin down. A couple observations based on your definition:

First, by your definition, it seems impossible to "self-diagnose" intelligence. If I believe myself to be intelligent, I may just be too stupid to realize it. On the other hand, if I believe myself to be stupid, then I must have some level of intelligence to recognize my lack, and thus is probably smarter than everyone who thinks themselves smart. This argument gets tricky... And thus, we need some kind of tool to measure intelligence, which is where tests come in to play (and why I offered that as evidence for my own intelligence before). An imperfect system, to be sure, but the best we have when we are attempting to "prove" our intelligence in a situation where circumstances prevent a more intimate study of ourselves.

Second, I completely agree that knowing someone, and understanding how they think has a lot to do with determining someone's level of intelligence. For this reason, I call out everyone here who's called me stupid as I'm quite confident none of you have the necessary understanding to make that judgment. Further if I've made any serious statements concerning anyone else's intelligence here, I officially retract them.

Even if the people you talked to thought so, I don't think it's fair to say aptitude tests are the best anyone's come up with.

Buckminster Fuller came up with a better system 40 years ago but various forces keep it from being adopted.

Yeah Jon`C has a much better process. He baits them into arguments online, then makes judgments once he's gathered enough data.

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Oh hey, profiles.

Ah, I was off a bit. Hey, did you notice his "Friends"? Speaking of friends, I found his facebook page.

heh, fort dix

I like you Sarn..

aww, thanks dud. I like you too.

Wow.. A discussion about some guy 80+% of you have never/will never meet annoys you so much to let it go 4 pages long..

If we were still teenagers I'd say go outside and stop letting the internet get to you. I'm not sure what to say to people that are supposed to be adults.

Did you read the thread? It's not really about Jon.

This is why assumptions are often foolish things to go by

Maybe he meant Emon and Sarn. That would make sense then. Of course we know he didn't, though.

God dammit. I'm stupid as hell.

Now there's something we can all agree about.

I don't think either Emon or I got upset at all though.

I don't know Emon much at all but I do know this: he gets upset.

From my unfortunate experience of mouthing off at massassi about certain opinions and suffering a serious beating down from Mr Jon'c it is clear he is either 1) very world-wise/smart 2) extremely good at debating/arguing.

I think its more 2) than 1)

wait, is that Jonc or am I thinking of someone else.

At the end of the day, its intellectual ego at fault here. Arguments break out over personal opinion of massassi members/believing they're less intelligent.

Quite sad really.

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The thread is all over the place, but the principle is the same.

Which is what, exactly? That we should get a life and go outside?

Jon'C is awesome because he's Canadian.

Duh

Let the record show that Sarn_Cardrill has ruined my thread.

You started a thread about Jon`C and expected it not to be ruined?

So this thread isn't about how much Antony sucks?

Typical conservative, always blaming the victim. My America is one where I can start threads about whatever I want without having them ruined by nerds!

Isn't every thread implicitly about how much Antony sucks?

Oh, I have a quote here from Joren Darkstar from about 7 years ago;

Has Antony inherited tofu's mantle of sucks?

I hope not, because Antony can never live up to that kind of sucks.

Are you implying Antony comparatively sucks at sucking?

Don't you start with your Quantum Suck Theory in here.

Scientists have proved that Antony has a level of suckage less than or equal to that of Tofu's. Maclongname is a completely different kettle of fish however.

I believe Antony to be a non-sucky man in a way. Think of him as the movie Under Siege: it's good, but only because Steven Seagal is in it, so the bar is set lower than if you go to a limboing party for CarpKing's girlfriends. If it had someone like Sean Penn in the lead, people would go "Oh that's that bad Sean Penn movie".

But tofu...he just sucks and that's it.

Why do they keep repeating their sentences except with altered wording?

You seriously need me to answer that question at this point?

Talking **** about someone from the internet, on the internet. Regardless of if it's JonC, Sarn, Krok, etc.

Temperamental, do you feel the same way about TV? The radio? Magazines, books?

No one is "someone from the internet", we all go on the internet to talk to strangers there (though some will already know each other). The topics concern real life matters which affect people outside the internet, and which people feel one way or the other about. If someone says something you disagree with, perhaps something they're being confrontational about, it's okay if you challenge them on it because you want to point out what you think they're being dumb about and why. Whether it's wise to respond to a confrontational message with confrontation as well is questionable, but people do it online, in other media and face to face as well (though to a lesser degree due to the increased social impact of the situation). People will also attribute varying levels of acceptance to others, regardless of being on the internet.

It's true that this hasn't been a very civilized discussion, and I fully realize that there are far more constructive ways of saying what I for instance have said here. But this coming into a thread with the "you all need to go outside and stop taking the internet seriously" routine has seriously grown old, tired and meaningless in an age where the internet is a larger part of people's daily lives and of society than perhaps something like newspapers are. Oh hey, did you know that it's now even possible to use the internet...WHILE OUTSIDE?! Damn, there goes one of your major condescending clichés.

Also, what's seen here is hardly akin to Gamefaqs (assuming that place is what it used to be) and such.

It's not that Kroko. I understand people like a place to vent, and the internet is supposed to be a valid place for such things.

I just never thought I'd see the day where Massassi started to turn into 4chan.

I was more or less saying that I expected a little more from people that are supposed to be mature adults, rather than someone starting a topic whining about qualities they don't like in a person they never have and never will meet just because they "appear" to be smarter than they are.

Seriously, you're that insecure about yourself? (not you Kroko, but the OP and people like him)

JonC's smugness pisses me off sometimes too, and I know he isn't as smart as he thinks even he is. But that doesn't mean I should start a topic discussing it because I can't deal with it since it bothers me and affects my life so much. When someone on the internet pisses you off so much that it actually affects you then yes... I think it's time to maybe put the mouse down and take a little break from the internet debates/messaging boards and get bothered by someone that actually has an effect on your life. I.e someone real.

I suppose that goes back to either you not reading the thread (and so not realizing that the focus didn't stay on Jon`C for long), OR it goes to your misinterpretation of Thrawn's opening post from which whining about Jon`C appearing to be smarter than him out of insecurity is probably the furthest thing I can think of without changing the topic entirely.

It goes from the very first post to this very last one. I read the entire thread. Three times. My feelings and opinion on it remain the same.