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2010-12-17, 10:20 PM #121
Originally posted by Wookie06:
I love how people find it so easy to create their own back stories for people they scarcely know online. The fact of the matter is that once I determined that I had no desire to rise to a higher rank in my field I avoided the jobs I disliked that are generally required to get promoted and took on other jobs that are vital yet under-appreciated. I chose to retire when I did because I would rather have the stress of a diminished income than the stress of remaining in an occupation I have disliked for a long time (for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that I would be back in Iraq again right now). I would have gotten out years ago if is wasn't for the stupid all-or-nothing twenty year retirement system.

And I think most here would agree that I'm not the military guy that makes a habit of telling bull**** stories.


Well guess what, I have a desire to rise higher... Don't 'hate' on me for becoming an officer since it has nothing to do with forcing people to "like" me. LOL

Sounds like you couldn't hack it...

A good leader knows this **** aint a popularity contest. I give a **** whether you like me or not.
2010-12-17, 10:29 PM #122
Yep, couldn't hack it. That's why I had to tap out at 21 years...
:rolleyes:
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-12-17, 10:30 PM #123
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Yep, couldn't hack it. That's why I had to tap out at 21 years...
:rolleyes:


Wait a second... you're a 21 year E6?

Maybe doing those jobs you "didn't like" might have paid off...

LOL at this bull****

You truly are a staff sergeant... as in you were STAFF serving S shop "high speed" soldier.
2010-12-17, 10:37 PM #124
Usually, I'm not one to think poorly of a Massassian -- I've been disappointed with the treatment a lot of the less-liked Massassians have received (and I should probably do more to speak up). However, SoldierSnoop should be treated far worse.

SoldierSnoop, you're a poor human being. I hope someone drills some decency into you sooner than later.
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2010-12-17, 10:44 PM #125
Originally posted by SoldierSnoop:
Wait a second... you're a 21 year E6?

Maybe doing those jobs you "didn't like" might have paid off...

LOL at this bull****

You truly are a staff sergeant... as in you were STAFF serving S shop "high speed" soldier.


And you're so clairvoyant. I could have taken an infantry platoon if I wanted to but I didn't. And your entire MOS is "S shop". Again, I'm not the one that is known for telling BS stories about my military service here. Seems to me that if you were as thoughtful as you like to make yourself out to be with regards to the cavemen you had to serve with you would understand that each soldier's experience is unique. You're the one that has complained incessantly about your experience and have stated your desires to become an officer to reform the system from within. I don't presume to know as much about you as you claim to know about me but from what you've posted I predict that your commissioned service will likely be as dissatisfying as your enlisted service and that you will fit in about as well as you did before. You may very well leave the service a First Lieutenant after your service obligation is done that continues to act both as a victim and a know it all.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-12-17, 10:49 PM #126
Originally posted by Gebohq:
Usually, I'm not one to think poorly of a Massassian -- I've been disappointed with the treatment a lot of the less-liked Massassians have received (and I should probably do more to speak up). However, SoldierSnoop should be treated far worse.

SoldierSnoop, you're a poor human being. I hope someone drills some decency into you sooner than later.


I am disappointed in the treatment of others as well. Just because the subject matter of this website is Star Wars does NOT mean it should be a haven for those who don't fit in the real world. Maybe JediKirby is partially to blame for the acceptance of "everyone" but at least he was trolling people before we had all learned about his circumstances. Good on him.

In 1998 I was browsing Massassi for levels to download for my Jedi Knight II. This was when I was in 6th grade and my dumbass friends didn't even know where to go on the internet other than whitehouse.com which at the time was a registered porn site.

Seriously, Massassi was the first internet community I ever knew. I used to actually display models I made in the showcase forums. I remember spending all day looking at JK mods and downloading new characters and getting my MS Zone on.

You can all think I am an ******* but in reality I am just calling it how I see it.

Geb, you're an OG. I have respect for you.
2010-12-17, 10:56 PM #127
Originally posted by Wookie06:
And you're so clairvoyant. I could have taken an infantry platoon if I wanted to but I didn't. And your entire MOS is "S shop". Again, I'm not the one that is known for telling BS stories about my military service here. Seems to me that if you were as thoughtful as you like to make yourself out to be with regards to the cavemen you had to serve with you would understand that each soldier's experience is unique. You're the one that has complained incessantly about your experience and have stated your desires to become an officer to reform the system from within. I don't presume to know as much about you as you claim to know about me but from what you've posted I predict that your commissioned service will likely be as dissatisfying as your enlisted service and that you will fit in about as well as you did before. You may very well leave the service a First Lieutenant after your service obligation is done that continues to act both as a victim and a know it all.


There is some interesting reading in here and you do have a point in that I did not fit in with enlisted initially during my first two years in the Infantry.

My problem was having a disdain for authority and wanting to question everything. What the Infantry taught me was that in order to succeed you have to be able to turn your brain off and execute orders without thinking twice that you could somehow 'improve' the orders you were given. That's not what you're paid to do. Thus we here the statement "You're not paid to think." Once I developed this skill I became a team leader and was offered a spot to go to ranger school and go to the board (and reenlistment was also necessary for this path). I turned those offers down once I was accepted for 'green to gold' since the Officers I worked with encouraged me heavily to choose this route. I also had an application half-way completed for Special Forces selection but I focused on being a good team leader before I left for green to gold. Having not gone to selection still remains a bit of a "what if?" to me. However I have met up with a friend multiple times who went SF and has been in group for 3 years. He hasn't deployed except for 4 months to Africa. Not where I want to be... Please send me to Afghanistan.

Being a team leader was amazing. I led 3 guys through a live-fire shoot house (a harrowing feat when leading 18 year olds with zero combat experience) and had the fastest completion time. I also won a 3-mile litter carry stress/shoot squad competition with another team from my platoon. You had the opportunity to influence 30 soldiers as a ****ing Platoon Sergeant. You had the chance to be a leader and you turned it down.

It speaks volumes about your character.
2010-12-17, 11:02 PM #128
It sure does but not in the way you think.

Curious, you're now Infantry and MI? Ranger School and Special Forces opportunities? Wow, did you get to kill people too?
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-12-17, 11:04 PM #129
How did this turn from "are you dating anyone?" to not-smart-enough-for-the-private-sector Snoop ****ting all over the place?
2010-12-17, 11:06 PM #130
Originally posted by Wookie06:
It sure does but not in the way you think.

Curious, you're now Infantry and MI? Ranger School and Special Forces opportunities? Wow, did you get to kill people too?


I was never MI but I did work in a company intelligence cell (what we called it) but there are more acronyms for these type of positions.

The job was basically being PSD for my CO and also helping write/plan missions. What made it awesome was that I was an E4 sitting in meetings with the CIA, DIA and other lesser known agencies. I was still a driver switch-off gunner and company RTO on 2 air assaults (then a full time gunner once an E4 in our cell got his stripes).

SF is all on you... basically ANYONE has that oppurtunity.

Ranger school however is a different beast. Our unit won't send you unless it believed without a shadow of a doubt that you would complete it. This made competition for slots super competitive and to be given the chance was definitely hard to turn down for "officership." I basically earned my position when our Scouts and Mortars did a 10 mile fun run and I completed it drunk at a 7:21 split.
2010-12-17, 11:09 PM #131
Originally posted by SoldierSnoop:
Geb, you're an OG. I have respect for you.
I'm assuming OG stands for Original Gangsta. If that's the case, I must object, as I'm far too white, bordering on translucent. I'm the opposite of an OG.
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2010-12-17, 11:10 PM #132
it ain't about being white... it's about being an OG and sticking to your values and since you registered in '99, I'll give respect.

Here's me rocking some blues.

[http://i55.tinypic.com/2ue06za.jpg]
2010-12-17, 11:15 PM #133
SoldierSnoop, you have convinced me. You know far more about both me and the Army than I could have ever hoped to. I bow to your experience, knowledge, and wisdom. I am slightly disappointed at your apparent lack of ability to take a mild jab without responding harshly with personal insults denigrating both my marriage and service but I now understand that you only did so to awaken me to my own ignorance. Thank you, SoldierSnoop. You know me far better than I have ever known myself.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-12-17, 11:23 PM #134
Originally posted by Wookie06:
SoldierSnoop, you have convinced me. You know far more about both me and the Army than I could have ever hoped to. I bow to your experience, knowledge, and wisdom. I am slightly disappointed at your apparent lack of ability to take a mild jab without responding harshly with personal insults denigrating both my marriage and service but I now understand that you only did so to awaken me to my own ignorance. Thank you, SoldierSnoop. You know me far better than I have ever known myself.


I took a shot at the fact that most E6's are divorced and on there second marriage. If anyone is taking this personally, it is you. I am just making fun of stereotypes that may hit a little to close to home...

Admitting that I know you better than you know yourself is stupid... I made the point that turning down a position to lead speaks a lot about you. I believe that and you don't have to act like I am denigrating you by saying that.

I didn't know anything about you when I made those insults. However, are you married to a Korean? I could have taken it in that direction but I didn't.
2010-12-17, 11:59 PM #135
My stereotype for the kind of person snoop is:

Compensating.
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2010-12-18, 12:01 AM #136
Originally posted by mb:
My stereotype for the kind of person snoop is:

Compensating.


for?
2010-12-18, 12:37 AM #137
Originally posted by SoldierSnoop:
for?


If you have to ask, that says even more. :cool:
woot!
2010-12-18, 1:01 AM #138
Originally posted by SoldierSnoop:
You had the opportunity to influence 30 soldiers as a ****ing Platoon Sergeant. You had the chance to be a leader and you turned it down.

It speaks volumes about your character.


In my opinion, you are not the kind of person we need in our country's officer corps.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-12-18, 1:10 AM #139
Originally posted by SoldierSnoop:
Whoa there... retiree or not let's make it of note that you got PASSED over. If I had to give a reason it's that you're probably the type who claims to have some "permanent" injury which led you to you not passing weight/tape and your "retirement".

Seriously, wake up and get a dose of reality.

I take back the crusty... you're just the jolly type who probably had a one-upper story that you couldn't hold back and thus became the E6 who locks up a private and forces him to listen to his bull**** stories.

Sorry, just calling it how it is.

By the way... you salute the rank not the person. Figured you of all people should know that... biggest lesson to learn in the military is to not take **** personal and have it affect work. Which basically means, if you saluted me with a middle finger, it'd be a bad day for you in the Army. Let's be real.


:nonono:

What is wrong with you?
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2010-12-18, 1:11 AM #140
The Peter Principle resp. SoldierSnoop: once again proving that hierarchical power structures with merit-based advancement is a complete failure.
2010-12-18, 1:16 AM #141
Originally posted by Freelancer:
:nonono:

What is wrong with you?


Well, see.... he hates the army, right? He also hates the dumbasses he has to work with. But he can't leave the army, because the army is cloistered and he had no life experience prior to joining, so he has been alienated from any other kind of lifestyle. He doesn't have the motivation or ambition to brave the world and find something he wants to do, so instead he's going to try to become an officer. If he becomes an officer he doesn't have to work with such dumbasses anymore. Maybe he'll even be able to get those dumbasses killed? That'd show 'em for calling him a ****** all those times.

Or maybe it's just a Napoleon complex. Hey, Snoop... do they make you wear stilts?
2010-12-18, 1:17 AM #142
Originally posted by Jon`C:
The Peter Principle resp. SoldierSnoop: once again proving that hierarchical power structures with merit-based advancement is a complete failure.


I remember when I discovered there was a name for what I was seeing happen.

Eye opening day to be sure.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-12-18, 1:20 AM #143
Originally posted by Spook:
In my opinion, you are not the kind of person we need in our country's officer corps.


pretty sure he won't make it very far.
woot!
2010-12-18, 1:22 AM #144
Originally posted by Jon`C:
He also hates the dumbasses he has to work with.
...
no life experience
...
He doesn't have the motivation or ambition to brave the world and find something he wants to do


Well, I can identify with those. :D
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2010-12-18, 2:27 AM #145
Your argument lacks evidence.

I will be living in Europe for 7 months next year... As in doing something completely different with ZERO military influece/lifestyle and unafraid of the world. I want to explore as much as I can.

I am not afraid to go after my goals.

Please don't lump me into a category of people to afraid of being in the "real" world instead of the Army. I know there is a group you are stereotyping and it's actually pretty sad (these are the homeless vets you see...).

As far you as you talking to me about getting people killed. Don't ever dare try to assume what it's like to have others lives in your hands. How arrogant of you to try and attack a REAL responsibility that does make certain elements of the military forever "noble." I can't believe you wrote that ****...

Also, I LOVE the Army. Let's get that straight. I also love the people in it. Nothing like waking up with a bunch of people who want to kill things. It makes talk cheap.
2010-12-18, 2:29 AM #146
Originally posted by Spook:
In my opinion, you are not the kind of person we need in our country's officer corps.


How nice of you to turn and bandwagon Spook.

Maybe you could... you know think for yourself for a second and answer this

What makes me unfitting to be an officer in your eyes?

Does making honest real assessments offend you?
2010-12-18, 2:30 AM #147
[http://www.lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/facepalm.jpg]

You're the one who is bandwagoning and perpetuating all of the cancerous parts of the US Military.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-12-18, 2:32 AM #148
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Well, see.... he hates the army, right? He also hates the dumbasses he has to work with. But he can't leave the army, because the army is cloistered and he had no life experience prior to joining, so he has been alienated from any other kind of lifestyle. He doesn't have the motivation or ambition to brave the world and find something he wants to do, so instead he's going to try to become an officer. If he becomes an officer he doesn't have to work with such dumbasses anymore. Maybe he'll even be able to get those dumbasses killed? That'd show 'em for calling him a ****** all those times.

Or maybe it's just a Napoleon complex. Hey, Snoop... do they make you wear stilts?


Quoted
2010-12-18, 2:34 AM #149
Originally posted by Spook:
[http://www.lolblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/facepalm.jpg]

You're the one who is bandwagoning and perpetuating all of the cancerous parts of the US Military.


Spook,

If you know so much on what makes a good officer then elaborate.

Stop taking the easy way out. If you have a point to prove... well then prove it. Posting images and trolling is to easy and frankly I am kind of rolling my eyes about it.

At least I am giving you enough respect to take you seriously since you are prior-service. What does that say?
2010-12-18, 2:36 AM #150
Some Russian or Chinese spy is trying to pull strings and make sure Snoop becomes a General now.
2010-12-18, 2:58 AM #151
Quote:
If I had to give a reason it's that you're probably the type who claims to have some "permanent" injury which led you to you not passing weight/tape and your "retirement".


An inability to form rational conclusions based on current evidence combined with past experiences, instead, dropping each encountered experience into neatly arranged categories with limited use. See assimilation vs. accommodation.

Quote:
Well guess what, I have a desire to rise higher


Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Criteria (DSM IV)

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Quote:
There is some interesting reading in here and you do have a point in that I did not fit in with enlisted initially during my first two years in the Infantry.


Quote:
As far you as you talking to me about getting people killed. Don't ever dare try to assume what it's like to have others lives in your hands. How arrogant* of you to try and attack a REAL responsibility that does make certain elements of the military forever "noble." I can't believe you wrote that ****...

*projection

Please see diagnostic criteria 3 (above)

Quote:
[I love the Army]I also love the people in it. Nothing like waking up with a bunch of people who want to kill things. It makes talk cheap.


This is one of the most disgusting aspects of our military. We are unable to separate violence of action and the conditioning necessary to take a life with the wanton desire to end lives. Warfighting based on taking lives is immoral and pointless. Professional Warfighting is based on achieving a specified end state (one of the principal problems with both Afghanistan and Iraq is the lack of a specified end state) or goal, which is never a bodycount. While a given objective may often require killing, a moral (heh) war has never been begun with the end state of "xxxxxxx # dead enemy combatants".

I have made this judgment only from this thread as I have no problem with you otherwise, considering I know nothing about you. However, you have managed to hit on several of the characteristics of our modern day military which dismay me the most.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-12-18, 3:07 AM #152
Originally posted by SoldierSnoop:
As far you as you talking to me about getting people killed. Don't ever dare try to assume what it's like to have others lives in your hands. How arrogant of you to try and attack a REAL responsibility that does make certain elements of the military forever "noble." I can't believe you wrote that ****...
Man,... you know... I've always heard people say that you can't suck yourself off, but here we are.
2010-12-18, 3:15 AM #153
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Man,... you know... I've always heard people say that you can't suck yourself off, but here we are.


I can't take you the least bit seriously saying that I would want to kill people beneath me as an Officer.

Realize what a prick this makes you and don't address me anymore.

I don't care what you have to say. I am not crossing a line the way you are.

Spook,

Narcissism does look pretty "evil" and yes, there are people out there who have this attitude and demeanor. However, being humbled by getting my asskicked a few times as well as being a "you ain't ****" private... I really can't say I need the admiration of anyone. That might be the difference?

I don't know, whoever wrote the definition must not like people who are achievers... Seriously, realize that some psychiatry is total bull**** and we don't need their definitions.

I will admit I act like an *******, but I do it in the interest of getting laughs (like when I called out freelancer).

You guys might think I am that serious but in reality I show these posts to my friends and they often find your remarks humorous.
2010-12-18, 3:19 AM #154
Originally posted by SoldierSnoop:
You guys might think I am that serious but in reality I show these posts to my friends and they often find your remarks humorous.


:psyduck:
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-12-18, 3:20 AM #155
Originally posted by Spook:
This is one of the most disgusting aspects of our military. We are unable to separate violence of action and the conditioning necessary to take a life with the wanton desire to end lives. Warfighting based on taking lives is immoral and pointless. Professional Warfighting is based on achieving a specified end state (one of the principal problems with both Afghanistan and Iraq is the lack of a specified end state) or goal, which is never a bodycount. While a given objective may often require killing, a moral (heh) war has never been begun with the end state of "xxxxxxx # dead enemy combatants".


It was like you were going somewhere with that paragraph but it all fell apart... Seriously, our national security requires someone to want to kill for their country. Until we can convince the rest of the world to just lay down their weapons and we can all act peaceful then it's not a risk we are allowed to take. I agree that killing in any manner other then protecting yourself or others is wrong.

Using checklists and numbers as measures for success is just part of the bureaucracy that is the military. We are moving in the right direction with COIN though. Not having such a black and white cut/dry approach has done wonders for the military advancing as an organization.
2010-12-18, 3:25 AM #156
Originally posted by SoldierSnoop:
It was like you going somewhere with that paragraph but it all fell apart... Seriously, our national security requires someone to want to kill for their country. Until we can convince the rest of the world to just lay down their weapons and we can all act peaceful then it's not a risk we are allowed to take. I don't disagree that killing in any manner other then protecting yourself or others is right.

Using checklists and numbers as measures for success is just part of the bureaucracy that is the military. We are moving in the right direction with COIN though. Not having such a black and white cut/dry approach has done wonders for the military advancing as an organization.


Holy ****, you missed the ENTIRE POINT. I was talking about COIN (which we are not implementing properly at the theater level) in the first place. How did you miss the distinction I made between a culture of violence and a culture of people with the capability to use violence? This, this is the reason I think you are wonderful officer material (from the standpoint of a current body of officers) but all the same a bad idea.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-12-18, 3:33 AM #157
Originally posted by SoldierSnoop:
Realize what a prick this makes you and don't address me anymore.
I'll address whoever I want. You don't deserve my respect and you never will. Suck it up, chuckle****.
2010-12-18, 3:35 AM #158
Originally posted by Spook:
Holy ****, you missed the ENTIRE POINT. I was talking about COIN (which we are not implementing properly at the theater level) in the first place. How did you miss the distinction I made between a culture of violence and a culture of people with the capability to use violence? This, this is the reason I think you are wonderful officer material (from the standpoint of a current body of officers) but all the same a bad idea.


HOLD UP there Spook (-eee)!

I was not saying that you were wrong! I was simply talking about body counts being a bad number to judge progress on.

COIN has freed up commanders that lets them be aggresive in different ways... such as the employment of local militias. This was typically a special forces foreign internal defense role (FID). Now we have traditional infantry commanders at the company level with more lateral lee-way in the execution of their objectives than ever before.

You need to stop being so jumpy and immediately hopping on the defensive. Give it a second and read what I wrote.
2010-12-18, 3:36 AM #159
Originally posted by Jon`C:
I'll address whoever I want. You don't deserve my respect and you never will. Suck it up, chuckle****.


Right on with the name calling :downswords:

You are really something... arrogant
2010-12-18, 3:37 AM #160
Originally posted by SoldierSnoop:
You guys might think I am that serious but in reality I show these posts to my friends and they often find your remarks humorous.


Yeah, I bet all of those kids you work with who joke about killing and death in order to survive another day without developing a dangerous psychosis just laugh and laugh at your delusional frat boy internet tirades.
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