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Man arrested for publicly reading from Scripture.
2011-04-29, 6:43 AM #41
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
As for the homosexual aspect, look at the way the officer moves his hands, and listen to how he talks. Also this takes place in an area where homosexuality is fairly prominent. If not homosexual, hes at least pretty efeminent. Maybe I'm making something out of nothing, but I could easily imagine a situation where he is homosexual and where because of this, hed been wrongly persecuted in the past by religious fanatics. From there its not much of a step to imagine him having a predisposition to bitterness against organized religion, and allowing that to influence his decision to arrest them, as opposed to escorting them away and explaining to rhem why they cant preach there. But i only brought that up because I was curious if anyone else got that impression or thoight it might be plausible.


oh god he's serious
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2011-04-29, 6:55 AM #42
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You seriously base the claim that he's a homosexual off of the way he moves and talks? I think we're reading a little too much into stereotypes here.
Like the stereotype that gay men drive Ford Focus'? And yeah everyone always bases claims of homosexuality on the way people move or talk (and maybe how they dress, but that's not relevant here). It's not exactly uncommon.

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Bolded for emphasis. You're judging a man based on the way he's moving his hands and then you accuse him of arresting someone because clearly he probably hates religion? Sounds like you're projecting your own biases.
I'm not judging him. (Well ok, I am, but not for being homosexual, but for his actions of arresting the man, which I feel was unnecessary and inappropriate.) My musings about his possible homosexuality are not judgments, they're part of a theory as to why he might have treated the preacher the way he did. I was very careful not to let my opinions about homosexuality even enter in to what I was saying, and I specifically said that if the man was persecuted in the past for being homosexual, that persecution was wrong.
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2011-04-29, 7:00 AM #43
This cop is as queer as a bottle of french fries!
2011-04-29, 7:06 AM #44
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
Like the stereotype that gay men drive Ford Focus'? And yeah everyone always bases claims of homosexuality on the way people move or talk (and maybe how they dress, but that's not relevant here). It's not exactly uncommon.


You've never actually met a gay person, have you.

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I'm not judging him.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
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(Well ok, I am, but not for being homosexual, but for his actions of arresting the man, which I feel was unnecessary and inappropriate.)

Cool, we explained to you why they were appropriate.

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My musings about his possible homosexuality are not judgments, they're part of a theory as to why he might have treated the preacher the way he did. I was very careful not to let my opinions about homosexuality even enter in to what I was saying, and I specifically said that if the man was persecuted in the past for being homosexual, that persecution was wrong.


You were careful to not let your opinions into this? You made that point moot when you said "look at the way he moves his hands!" **** off.
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2011-04-29, 7:09 AM #45
I'm just not sure how on earth his actions could be deemed as inappropriate.
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2011-04-29, 7:21 AM #46
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
Like the stereotype that gay men drive Ford Focus'? And yeah everyone always bases claims of homosexuality on the way people move or talk (and maybe how they dress, but that's not relevant here). It's not exactly uncommon.


Sorry, have to post it


I have NEVER seen someone call another a homosexual because of the way they move, or at least say "****, look the way he moved his hands, he's DEFINITELY gay"

This is why DADT shouldn't have been repealed!!! We are going to have a legion OF QUEERS THAT MOVE AND TALK FUNNY.

This is the kind of **** that will keep prejudice like this alive. Just the fact that your theory about why this guy was arrested may have been that the officer is gay is just....well.....not encouraging.
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2011-04-29, 7:24 AM #47
There is a stereotype where men who make somewhat effeminate movements, particularly with their hands and/or hips, are gay. It's not always true and not always untrue.
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2011-04-29, 7:29 AM #48
There is a stereotype that sailors are gay.
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2011-04-29, 7:35 AM #49
Oh, be nice.
nope.
2011-04-29, 7:37 AM #50
I seen pictures of sailors.

You have to study their movements, learn their ways.

Plus, everyone is gay. It's just what degree.
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2011-04-29, 7:58 AM #51
I have a Masters in gay. Kroko of course has a Phd
2011-04-29, 8:17 AM #52
Thats DOCTOR Kroko to you.
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2011-04-29, 9:37 AM #53
Originally posted by mscbuck:
I have NEVER seen someone call another a homosexual because of the way they move, or at least say "****, look the way he moved his hands, he's DEFINITELY gay"


I find that hard to believe. Spend some time in America in some place that's not near an ocean. These are the places where a person wouldn't dare to come out of the closet, and TV-spread stereotypes are all ignoramuses have to go on.
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2011-04-29, 9:53 AM #54
As for the cop "appearing" gay... I look far more gay on a regular basis so I don't really know where your going with that.
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2011-04-29, 10:07 AM #55
Sarn, you're insane.
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2011-04-29, 10:32 AM #56
Thank you Sarn, for making this thread.
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2011-04-29, 10:33 AM #57
Sarn, I just want to thank you. What could have been an interesting discussion about free speech and free religion has been completely derailed before it ever started in a thread you started and in your opening post. Way to go, big guy!

Originally posted by mscbuck:
Sorry, have to post it
[Spiderman YouTube Video]


Oh and I really want to thank you. My 5 year old son loves Spiderman and he asked to watch the video. Now I'm afraid he's gay. I was already concerned because he sometimes like hug his male friends.
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2011-04-29, 10:57 AM #58
Originally posted by Freelancer:
I find that hard to believe. Spend some time in America in some place that's not near an ocean. These are the places where a person wouldn't dare to come out of the closet, and TV-spread stereotypes are all ignoramuses have to go on.


That is probably the best and simplest way of describing the map of prejudice in the US. Heck yeah coastal areas!
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2011-04-29, 11:21 AM #59
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Sarn, I just want to thank you. What could have been an interesting discussion about free speech and free religion has been completely derailed before it ever started in a thread you started and in your opening post. Way to go, big guy!



Oh and I really want to thank you. My 5 year old son loves Spiderman and he asked to watch the video. Now I'm afraid he's gay. I was already concerned because he sometimes like hug his male friends.

Is it at least a manly one armed hug?
nope.
2011-04-29, 1:43 PM #60
Originally posted by sugarless:
That is probably the best and simplest way of describing the map of prejudice in the US. Heck yeah coastal areas!


Oh Sugarless, why must you be so prejudiced against the coastal areas =[
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2011-04-29, 1:54 PM #61
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
Like the stereotype that gay men drive Ford Focus'?

Hey, listen you stupid toolbag, THERE IS NO SUCH STEREOTYPE. YOU MADE IT UP AND WE ARE MAKING FUN OF YOU.

Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
And yeah everyone always bases claims of homosexuality on the way people move or talk

Hmm nope, they really don't. Many people will admit to making a first impression based on such characteristics, but no one who's not a complete idiot will actually admit they are a useful metric for judging sexual orientation. Guess which category you fall in to.
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2011-04-29, 2:05 PM #62
Originally posted by Deadman:
Oh Sugarless, why must you be so prejudiced against the coastal areas =[


You mistake me! I'm pro-coastal area and prejudiced against landlocked areas. I'm from a coastal area!
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2011-04-29, 2:17 PM #63
Originally posted by Baconfish:
Is it at least a manly one armed hug?


Not really but at least he doesn't flitter around like the cop in the video. Come on, how can nobody see it? If that cop had a really cool, homoerotic mustache like mine (it's true, or at least Rob is turned on by it) then he could totally pass for that cop on Reno 911. Irrefutable fact and you all know it!
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2011-04-29, 2:32 PM #64
Originally posted by Freelancer:
I find that hard to believe. Spend some time in America in some place that's not near an ocean. These are the places where a person wouldn't dare to come out of the closet, and TV-spread stereotypes are all ignoramuses have to go on.


Eh, you are right. Personally, I have never seen it, and I can stand by that. In the South I could definitely see what you are saying, although I'd say they are not just limited to gay prejudice, heh.

And also I live in Wisconsin, so I'm not near an ocean :). I've actually spent a fair time in the Southern areas as well. I see much more racial prejudice there than gay prejudice, though.
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2011-04-29, 5:24 PM #65
Well, the cop does remind me of a couple of gay friends, but they aren't out to get religious folks. In fact, some of them are religious themselves.
2011-04-29, 6:33 PM #66
Originally posted by Darth_Alran:
So I'm guessing you drive a focus then?


Yup. This might explain why my friend, who is gay, disapproved of my car choice.
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2011-04-29, 7:01 PM #67
http://www.streetracersonline.com/articles/rs8/

There's nothing gay about that.
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2011-04-29, 7:22 PM #68
Your guys' impression of me is so incredibly off base it's hilarious.

I'm not homophobic. I don't go around persecuting gay people or treating them any different than I treat anyone else. I know, have known, and have been friends with several gay people, both men and women. I currently work with a gay man who probably has no idea how I feel about his sexual preference, because I've never demonstrated anything but indifference towards it.

But I'm not naive enough to think that people don't judge other people based on their mannerisms. That's probably all I'm gonna say. I had written up some responses to many of your posts, but what's the point? You all are just going to continue to believe about me whatever you want. (or if you're Emon you'll call me things like "stupid toolbag" and probably not get in trouble for it because people don't like me anyway.)
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2011-04-29, 8:02 PM #69
People DO judge people based on their mannerisms. Intelligent people then immediately say "oh, that's just a stereotype" and move on. People like you linger on it and create elaborate fantasies around such assumptions.
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2011-04-29, 8:15 PM #70
I know you work with a gay guy. You work with tens of thousands of them.
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2011-04-29, 8:54 PM #71
Originally posted by Emon:
People DO judge people based on their mannerisms.


Like it was stated earlier by some one else, this is both true and untrue. There are certain things that can suggest someone is gay because you've observed it in other gay people. But an intelligent person does not automatically conclude the person is gay, but the possibility is now more probable.

While taking a second look at the video, the cop does not strike me as "terribly" gay. Maybe a little off, but there are people who exhibit far more obvious behaviour, and are not in the least gay.

That being said, even if the officer is gay, while it may suggest, it does not prove that he had any bias in what he was doing. For all we know, he was having a very crappy day.
2011-04-29, 8:58 PM #72
Cus all gays hate Christians.

In fact, no gays are Christians.

In fact, no Christian in history has ever been OK LOL IO CANT KEEP STRATE FACE
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2011-04-29, 9:12 PM #73
If he wasn't read his rights, then he was detained, not arrested. There have been times where I've been detained, driven to the booking, and then read my rights. Detainment can also be indefinite.
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2011-04-29, 9:46 PM #74
Except one of the first things the officer said was "You're under arrest"

But then, apparently he was read his rights.. (I still don't see it)
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2011-04-29, 9:47 PM #75
And Sassy, no he's not incredibly flamboyant, but enough so that the question might legitimately be raised.. As to whether or not that had anything to do with his choice to arrest the preacher instead of just sending him away is a matter of conjecture.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

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2011-04-29, 10:09 PM #76
So none of the other completely legitimate reasons that were previously explained were good enough for you?
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2011-04-29, 10:19 PM #77
Yeah, that's exactly what I said...

Now where did I leave my sarcasm emote?
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2011-04-29, 11:12 PM #78
I'm sorry Sarn, but your ignorance is just so confusing to me. You continuously say "hey Im not judging him" and go on to reference stereotypes.

We've already determined why the preacher was arrested. The tape doesn't show the whole situation, but it's more than likely he was asked several times to leave.

What's more likely? The cop is homosexual and has a vendetta against religious people (your words not mine) or that the man was legitimately breaking the law?
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2011-04-30, 12:31 AM #79
Originally posted by Deadman:
Thank you Sarn, for making this thread.
I've never laughed so hard reading a massassi thread. Seriously I had to get a drink and then I nearly choked on the water.


I had a similar experience. I had to get a drink and then I nearly had to get another drink.

Originally posted by Emon:
People like you linger on it and create elaborate fantasies


I suspect this is truer than we know, or care to know.
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2011-04-30, 12:32 AM #80
Originally posted by mb:
I'm sorry Sarn, but your ignorance is just so confusing to me. You continuously say "hey Im not judging him" and go on to reference stereotypes.

We've already determined why the preacher was arrested. The tape doesn't show the whole situation, but it's more than likely he was asked several times to leave.

What's more likely? The cop is homosexual and has a vendetta against religious people (your words not mine) or that the man was legitimately breaking the law?


???

Originally posted by mb:
We've already determined why the preacher was arrested. The tape doesn't show the whole situation, but it's more than likely he was asked several times to leave.

What's more likely? The cop is homosexual and has a vendetta against religious people (your words not mine) or that the man was legitimately breaking the law?


Ah, wait for it...

Originally posted by mb:
What's more likely? The cop is homosexual and has a vendetta against religious people (your words not mine) or that the man was legitimately breaking the law?


Ah ha! There it is.

Originally posted by mb:
or that the man was legitimately breaking the law?


The question we should be talking about! It's absolutely ****ing amazing how everybody from every group is always criticized for their lack of tolerance. Very many here seem to feel it is important to be tolerant of various groups. But not with regards to this guy. No, he's proselytizing on "government property". Arrest the son of a *****!
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