Most people are missing the point of this movie. If you took film classes, study film, or are interested in directing, film related stuff, then you will know what I mean.

The movie isn't meant for only religious people, it's meant for everyone. Even though it's very graphic. But the graphic depictions of it only help further bring out the point of the film.

It is an important film, because it depicts one of the most influential people EVER, and is a very bold statement to his life, and what he went through for us.

Too lazy to go further into it and explain further..

You people are so ridiculously closed minded and ignorant. It's incredible. The same people that moan all day about how everyone is closed minded are the exact ones committing to that credo daily. The hypocrisy is amazing.

Whether or not you believe Jesus was the Son of God, historical documents besides the Bible indicate that he was in fact crucified, and that he was in fact a pacifist. Even if it was all made up, the Romans still definitely crucified people.

Would you show the same distaste and utter lack of respect for a movie about Ghandi being tortured?

You people digust me. Your absolute hatred for religion and Christianity clouds everything else.

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Irrelevant. Honestly, the movie is at the very least an incredibly well-done cinematographic (is that a word?). Even if you're not a Christian, I think you should definately see this movie. The acting is incredible, and the cinematography is better. I honestly believe that Mel Gibson is quite possibly the best movie director alive.

And, you never know, it just might shake up your life.

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Btw, the most powerful scene for me was when Jesus was being scourged, and they were whipping him... Then they stopped, and started doing it all over again, and then again on the front of his body. The sheer intensity of that scene, coupled with the horror, is enough in my opinion to make it worth watching for anyone in the world at all that has *any* interest in movies.

I was also very taken by Jesus' relationship with his mother, which, in my opinion was depicted incredibly well. That was actually what got me crying the first time. The actress that plays Mary does an insanely good job. Through the scenes where Jesus was being tortured, and she stood by and watched, unable to do anything about it, I couldn't stop thinking about what it would do to me if I was in Jesus' place and was watching my mother watching me be scourged and whipped and crucified. I honestly think that would be more unbearable than any of the pain.

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$10!! Bwahahaha!

Good thing I live in a small town. Too bad my small town's theater is run by morons who always pass on the multi-million dollar films, thus passing on the income. So I have to see it somewhere else... for $8.50 instead of the usual $2-$4.

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It cost me 4 dollars.. But that's because my Youth Group paid part of the price. Normally it would have been 9.

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See the movie if you want. I'll go see it. Am I a total Bible nut like our friend a few posts up? No. Do I believe in Jesus? Yeah.

Does it matter? No! As Temperamental points out, it's good for the sheer movie aspects of it.

You religious dudes (Ok, fine, LordIsJudge almost exclusively), watching this movie just for its depiction of Jesus is like how I watched Episode II for the lightsabers. Episode II was apparently a horrible movie, saved only by the lightsaber fighting. This one is supposed to be great, regardless of the depiction of Jesus. But of course, being far too obsessed with Jesus and the Bible and all that, you aren't going to notice, just like how I didn't notice that Episode II was apparently a crappy movie because all I wanted to see was lightsabers.

I'll probably go see it soon... I want to see how close it follows the bible. Dont know how moved by it I will be though.

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I don't want any spoilers!!

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I've been reading up on this movie, and it seems like everyone who has seen it, regardless of their religious preference or lack thereof, has been affected by the movie.

Not necessarily religiously moved, as some here have sort of jumped to the conclusion to, but more maybe emotionally moved or intellectually moved, and not always in a positive way.

Seems some people felt like crap after seeing the movie, and got all angry and stuff at it because it actually dared to make them feel.

See, it supposedly is more stuff like that.

As for me, I want to go see it, just to see what all the fuss was about.

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Is it completley subtitled?

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike

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I'm an atheist, but even I think it's a bit a silly to completely write off seeing a movie because it's a religious one. Sure it takes away one motivation as you're not as into the source material as those with religious convictions, but still - if it's good it's good.

Main reasons I'm not seeing it is the trailer didn't grab me, reviews are a bit mixed, sounds too gory and movies are expensive enough these days that I usually only see the ones I'm really waiting for.

Might catch it on dvd sometime down the road.

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Yep, completely subtitled in aramaic and street latin.

But the people who went said after the first 5 minutes, they didn't even notice...

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Fear is here, where's the beer?

You mean the dialouge is in Aramaic and latin and it's Subtitled in English.........right

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That's what he meant

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No, actually, Jesus speaks a quiet yiddish, and the rest of them in pig-latin.




Yes, what you said is what I meant.

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Umm. No. First of all, who's to define whether someone is "far too obsessed with Jesus and the Bible"? As far as I'm concerned, Christianity is my life, in much the same way that a person's spouse or job might be, (though in my opinion, religions is far more important because it has eternal implications). Even so, I enjoyed the movie both for the religious aspects as well as for the cinematography (as I've already mentioned is nothing short of incredible, imo). I realize that you were speaking specifically with TLOJ, but I must say I am incredibly offended by that paragraph. Perhaps you don't realize it, but you're basically comparing Jesus and the Bible to something like Star Wars or Star Trek, where people can be so into it that it's unhealthy, and frankly, that's a load of horse poo. IMO, there is literally *no* limit to how much we should be into Jesus.

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Settle down there champion. I think you may be misinterpreting people posts. I haven't seen anyone show disprect about what the movie portrays or anyone indicating a hatred for religion. All I see are people going on about how powerful this movie is and that apparently I have to see it because it will affect me deeply. And in reponse to that, all I see is people reacting in the exact same way that everyone does when someone tells them what they should be doing. Nobody likes being told what to do or what to feel and so they resist.

It isn't helping that most of the people pushing for everyone to see this movie are the more religious contingent of Massassi. This is unfortunate because this contingent has a history of attempting to convert people and therefore people are going to be suspicous of their intentions, especially when concerning this movie.

I'm an atheist and have no intention of seeing this movie. Not because I have something against religion (because I don't), but because I simply have no interest in seeing it. I already how the story ends and past experiences have shown that movies that generate this much hype are rarely worth the effort or money.

I'm glad to hear that people are saying that it's a good movie. I was really REALLY worried that I was going to have to sit through hours and hours of boring stuff that only religious people care about. I'm hearing that it isn't.

[Edit: I was kind of worried since the trailer did absolutely nothing to interest me]

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[This message has been edited by BobTheMasher (edited February 26, 2004).]

Run, I suppose its your choice, but I would say that you need not worry about the movie not living up to the hype... I did a lot of research on the movie beforehand, and had quite a high level of anticipation, and even so, it more than exceeded (not met, exceeded) my expectations.

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I don't think you should mesure how much someone should love something. It's a matter of opinion. You have to remember, to us non-believers, the bible is a work of fiction, just like star wars or star trek. Which makes it the equivalent of liking one movie more than another. I can understand that to you it means alot more, but that's a matter of personal opinion.



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Flex, I'm not saying that I'm mad about him not feeling the same way as I do about Christianity. What I'm mad about is him saying that people can be "far too obsessed with Jesus and the Bible and all that."

I'm sorry if I'm "too obsessed" with my very reason for living.

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But alot of the Bibles events have been corroborated. Perhaps not the exact stories, but the general events.

I mean, I think it's safe to assume that there was a man named Jesus who was a pacifist and was crucified, regardless of faith. You would think that if it wasnt true, someone of the millions of people over 2000 years would have proved it, no?

Also, I find this very interesting. I'm betting all of the "1" ratings are coming from people who hate religion.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0335345/ratings

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I'm not a religious person....

That doesn't matter, I wouldn't see it either way...

Money is better spent someplace else.

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Who seem to be mostly women between the ages of 30-44..

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Comparing this to SW/ST is a comparison I'd personally never like to make as I see it as a bit unfair. As Os pointed out, it's quite possible a person like Jesus existed. Whether or not he was the son of God is an entirely seperate issue which I don't think should be gotten into on this thread for sanity sake

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I think most people, including I, agree that Jesus did exist. There seems to be alot of evidence suggesting he did, and I don't see any reason to believe otherwise. The issue people are divided on is wether or not he was the son of god.


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Just out of curiosity, what evidence is there that he existed? His body was never produced after His desciples testified His resurrection.
(You can just post a link to keep the thread from getting off-topic.)

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Back to the movie...

If you read a few passing comments by reviewers, or hear comments from friends about the movie, good or otherwise, then take a bit of that on board as you would for any other movie. If you want to see it - go see it. If you don't, then don't. It's as simple as that. I find it a bit strange when people say "I'm going to see it and I will be moved". Maybe you will, but wait until you see it.

TWENTY SEVEN MEEEEELION DOHLARS!

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Heavens to Betsy, the sky must be falling!

NB: I find the irony of your call for evidence on this rather funny (in a good way, not in a flamewar/debate starting way).

Even if you are only curious.

Just saw it last night.

If you have any sort of love or appreciation for the person of Jesus before seeing the movie, you will cry.

Even if you don't have that personal connection, the movie is still excellent. It's very artsy in some areas, like the portrayal of Satan, the tears of God, and of course the flashbacks that are interlaced throughout the film. The flashbacks work really well in my opinion; they seemlessly contrast love and pain, as you're forced to fall in love with a teaching Jesus and then forced back to the brutality of a paining Jesus. Mel Gibson's idea to convey the true reality of the story made it so much more tangible to me. Everyone speaks Aramaic or Latin with English subtitles. The violence is very grotesque and very real. The perspectives and acting are, for the most part, very human.

As for the anti-semitism controversy... what a crockpot, in my opinion. It's the story as told by the Bible. Complaining of antisemitism is like complaining a movie based on "Night" -- a book about the Holocaust -- is anti-German.

If you're Christian, or you have an appreciation for Jesus, or if you know or like the story of the Bible, definitely see this movie. It is very moving, especially if you fit any of the above categories... I think the entire theatre was wiping away tears or collecting broken resolves as the credits began to roll. I know I, for one, had a few tears to dry.

But even if you don't feel any connection to Jesus or Christianity or whatnot, I would still recommend the film, if you don't mind very graphic violence. The story of Jesus' death, even if you believe it is only a story, is still a very good story that everyone ought to know to be considered well-educated. And The Passion certainly gives you a very, very close experience with it.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Run:

Heavens to Betsy, the sky must be falling!

NB: I find the irony of your call for evidence on this rather funny (in a good way, not in a flamewar/debate starting way).

Even if you are only curious.</font>[/quote]I know you hadn't been around the religious forum for a long time, but I'd long since conceeded that my belief was opinion. After all, that's the only thing the average person has as far as God goes.

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I'm going to go this weekend, but I'll wear a kippah, just to shake things up.



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i want to see it but i'm broke and can't afford to go to the theater and my mom doesn't like watching movies with subtitles for some reason... so i'll have to wait

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