Well Judaeism,
a: being an orthoproxy [doesn't really matter what you believe so long as you follow these observances and such]
b: being cultural/hereditary

seems to,
c: allow for one to still be a Jew even if one believes in a Messiah who has already come.

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Observance overpowers belief only to a certain extent. See this.

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http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq131.html

Very interesting interpretation..

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OK, time for some straight answers:




Then you would be wasting your time. The point of the movie from what I could see is that we don't have what it takes to get to heaven on our own. If Jesus hadn't done what He did,we would literally be speniding our lives awaiting an inevitable existence in hell. The Bible supports this.



According to the Bible, Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, and all other routes are all essentially dead ends.




Christianity seems to be meant as a replacement for Judiasm. This is why the Bible includes the Hebrew Old testament and the Christian New Testament.

While the Law of Moses stated that your sins had to be paid for by the sacrifice of animals, Christianity states that Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice, so that anyone who accepts this will have their past, present, and future sins covered indefinitely. Therefore, most of the tenants of Judiasm have been rendered unnecessary by what Jesus did.




Like I already stated, Jesus is the only way to heaven according to the Bible. God made the rule, and who are we to dispute it?



That's not the point. Whether someone sins only once or is a killer/rapist/thief/liar/everything else, they are ultimately equally guilty as far as God is concerned. The Standard of God is perfection.

It's not about doing good works-- Good works are a product of salavation, not the cause. We cannot achieve the standard of perfection, so we can't save ourselves. Jesus paid the price for us so we don't have to pay for it ourselves, simply b/c we can't. The way we pay for our sins ourselves is to go to hell, and that isn't what God really wants for us. However, God has tro be true to His nature, so even though He doesn't want to send people to hell He has to b/c his nature is that of justice, and overlooking sin would be unjust.



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Most people regard me as the dark and immoral side of Massassi. At least I'm getting what I want out of life.

Jesus Christ died on a cross so that we could argue semantics about what he meant when he mentioned the concept of eternal salvation.


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page, I think you are retreading old ground for Agent. he seems to know all that about the christian belief. If you really want to help, learn the hows and whys of Agent - christianity should never be presented as "here it is, take it or leave it, whether you like it or not."

We are called to be more caring than that.

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I don't see anywhere in the thread title "Argument about religion".



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Close, but no. Christianity is not a replacement for Judaism. It is the *completion* of Judaism.

Oh, right... And threads always have to strictly stick to what they're originally intended for. Besides which, I don't see your name next to the the title, I see mine. So I'll be the one to decide if we're getting off course, ok? If you don't have anything useful to add then don't add anything.

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Okay then...The movie was a good movie in my opinion. Stop.

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike
It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash
BABIES EVERYWHERE!!!