I was tempted to see Passion, but then I saw it was all in another language with subtitles. I can't stand that.

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Checksum: I thought about it, I guess I'm striving for my own personal ideals. I'll just project those ideals onto Jesus and say "I'm trying to be like Jesus" so that I won't have to listen to you banter endlessly about me worshipping a false god or some such.

The Last True Evil: Ironically, that's very Christian of you.

*sigh* I am out of the loop on so many things these days. I figured as much from your previous post. Its just kind of funny seeing the evidence bit, especially given the path most RD threads followed. I had flashbacks to some very looooong drawn out discussions.

How is that worthless? IT made Twenty Seven friggin dollars! Holy crap that's ALOT!!!!!!

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike

It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash

Ok, just saw it. It's a good movie. But Mel Gibson is hardly the best director ever and it's hardly the best movie ever, though it may be the best film of the year, of course, we're 2 months in...

Anyways, I'm going to say what I liked and didnt like about the movie:

***SPOILERS*** (...not anything to do with the plot cause that's pretty obvious...)

DISLIKES:

• Any scene with Satan... just stupid, whoever played Satan did a good job, just the incorporation of him into the movie wasnt handled correctly, and the shot of him at the end of the movie in Hell was just laughable.
• The last scene with the grave-clothes/Jesus' hand. Bad cinematography and didnt really add much but a little "HOORAY FOR CHRISTIANITY" moment. It almost seemed like Mel added it to avoid criticism.
• You had a hard time figuring out who people were if you werent a Bible thumper.
• The Temple Guards' armor, not really a thing against the movie, but they looked retarded.
  
  LIKES:
• Any scene with Judas. His character and Mel's depiction of him was excellent. I was probably moved almost as much by his character than by the entire rest of the movie.
• Costumes and set. All top notch.
• Scenes with violence and gore were done 'tastefully' and really werent that disgusting, just sad.
• Any scene with Pontius Pilate.
• The whole language/subtitle thing.
• The actor who did Jesus, dont know his name but he was in the Count of Monte Christo...

So yep. I'd give this movie a 7/10 and it'd be probably around a 9/10 if it werent for those stupid Satan-scenes.

The only thing is, if you Christians use this movie to try to convert your friends/family, it's sad. While good, it wasnt terribly moving and emotional if you arent a Christian.

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Ω of 14

Were the satan scenes that bad? I can't picture "satan" in this movie... It just seems takeing a relistic event and BAM slapping satan in there. I mean I know it's...but I mean..you know?

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike

It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash

^ I assume that was a joke.......

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Not at all. I mean I thought he was going to just focus on Jesus and all that. I didn't know he was getting into the evil within or whatever. I am horrid at explaining things. You know what I MEAN!

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike

It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash

The most powerful movie I've ever seen. I came pretty close to crying. I defintily had water in my eyes.

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Only To Keep The Public Happy

Ya... that's how bad they were. They almost ruined the movie for me. Like the first satan scene was ok, but then there's a few more and they get dumber as it goes on.



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To start with, I have never cried during a movie until this one. Regardless of your religous beliefs or lack therof, it's one of the most powerful movies I've ever seen. Just taking it from a historical context, the movie is powerful. Go see it, it's worth it.

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Never see Burnt By the Sun then.. the fireball scenes will give you an aneurism..

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I haven't seen it yet, and already I'm moved by what I've already heard about it. I already despise the Romans for the way treated Jesus. I know I'll cry when I see it...

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*sigh*</font>[/quote]Why sigh? I'm not trying to pull you into some debate or anything. Just making a simple statement.

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The last movie I really cried at was The Green Mile. Even now, recalling it brings feelings of tremendous sadness.

I don't think I'll see it simply for the fact that I don't like having my heart wrenched dry of my tears.

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I know. That was just my fancy way of saying 'I agree'.

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

I wasn't sighing at you. I was sighing at me. You know, for being out of the loop. *sigh* No one ever understands me

Oh no...don't tell me they actually put in satan. Ugh. I was hoping at least it'd be purely historical with a religious slant, not some kind of LotR-meets-Jesus thing...

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Since when is satan LOTR???

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Since I consider them to be on the same level. Except that satan is far less interesting.

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WOOSH.
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You do know satan is there to tempt jesus and make his struggle harder, and adds feeling to the story, right? You have read something about the last day of jesus' life... right?

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Cazor, I totally understand when Satan tempts Jesus in Gesthemane, it's just every other time he showed up I wish it would've been more tasteful, the weird Midget thing and the scream at the end took a lot of the impact out of the story for me.

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Quoting people is fun. It makes people think I'm a master debater and am refuting your every comment! Fear my mighty powers. I bet most people don't even read posts with quotes in them.

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I didn't think the Satan scenes were THAT bad, but one or two of them were questionable in terms of their relevance to the rest of the movie. I just assume that there was a deeper meaning or interpretation of Mel in them that I didn't pick up.

The movie has some things that are not in the bible, but most of them are there purely for effect, to give the audience a feeling for Mel Gibson's interpretation of what is happening, or what could be happening.

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Judas hallucinates because he betrayed the son of God. A curse perhaps. That COULD HAVE HAPPENED, it's very probable and likely, but it's not in the bible.

Also, my BIGGEST PROBLEM with the movie was this:
Jesus fell down sooooo many times when he was carrying the cross. I mean I got the feeling and effect emotionally, I got Mel's vision and interpretation of what was going on in people's heads and what the mood was probably like while it happened, but still.

*falls*
wow, that's dramatic
*stuff*
*falls*
That just happened, but it's ok, it's a dramatic movie
*stuff*
*falls*
ugh...well 3x isn't THAT bad, just a little annoying
*stuff*
*falls*
ok, if he falls one more time...
*stuff*
*falls*
sigh...this is ridiculous. It's time for the crucifixtion.
*stuff*
*falls*
If this weren't the Passion of Christ I'd be walking out.
*stuff*
*falls*
ok, theres no way this happened this many times in real life
*the rest of the movie.*

-Veg

[This message has been edited by Veger (edited February 27, 2004).]

The falling a lot isn't limited to just thie movie. There are a lot of pieces of art that have Jesus falling and being whipped quite a bit while carrying the cross. It's supposed to show his suffering and pain, but also determination and willingness to give his life (getting up, despite knowing that doing so will lead to his death) through the process.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Let me start off by saying that I'm not even remotely religious. With that said, this movie really wasn't that horribly impressive to me.

The Pros:
-Ridiculous amounts of violence (this coming from someone who was raised on a steady diet of disembowlment and people getting shot in the face)
-My friend bought my ticket, but I bought his popcorn.
-Number of people who loathe Mel Gibson is now somewhat increased.
-Some woman went to a theatre in the Bronx and nearly died of a heart attack.

The Cons:
-Mel Gibson is bound to win awards for provocative trash like this, meaning I'll have to sit through more of his aussie trash in some medium (TV, newspaper, etc.).
-Pontius Pilate was a corrupt son-of-a-*****.
-Some kid actually kicked me in the back of the head. A little kid. I mean he was like 2 feet tall, and somehow his leg stretched 4 feet to touch the back of my head. I hit him, his mother gets pissed, I have to movie. DON'T BRING YOUR IDIOT TODDLERS TO HORRIBLY VIOLENT JESUS MOVIES, YOU IDIOT SOCCER-MOM.

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'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked. 'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.' 'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice. 'You must be,' said the Cat, 'or you wouldn't have come here.'

Aren't all you American's supposed to say how cool we are and ask the names of our pet kangaroos?

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"When all else fails, eat pie."
-¬thoughts from beyond observance

gearing up to see this flick tomorrow.

I get a kick out of the people who still do not "get it" in terms of the movie perspective, but I will save my reservations for after I see the film this Saturday.

One thing to note - in that link where they had people rating the movie, one guy said it was "mostly women". Obviously he was looking for an excuse. It was more women than men, but only by less than 10% in most categories, which is fairly close. Also, given that there are more women in the U.S. than men, it really gives a good cross-section of the population, although hardly scientific.

What I found interesting is that of the reviews that said the movie was bad, it was mostly 18-30 yr old men. I blame machoism for it.

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Fear is here, where's the beer?

Indeed. So how's the weather this morning?

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

With all the fuss around it, i think ill buy the DVD.

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"Most people fail to realise their insignificance because of their utter stupidity." -Unknown

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for someone who has mighty powers you know little people tend to read quoted posts more often, because they want to see who's dissing either them, or someone else (or agreeing in some case..but conflict is always welcome around here)

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Actually, that's probably the way it was. The Bible says something to the effect that he was beaten *beyond* recognition, and I seem to recall something about "the flesh torn from his back" (describing the whipping).

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[This message has been edited by DogSRoOL (edited February 27, 2004).]

Critics can have a great big glass of STFU. What do they think, they put friggin' daisies in his hair?

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike

It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash

Actually, he was pretty accurately depicted in the movie as he was in The Bible. He did not want to kill Jesus. I guess you haven't read about that.

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Only To Keep The Public Happy

At one point i believe that there weren't even going to be subtitles, but the producers managed to convince Mel that it wan't a good idea.



I didn't agree with the rest of your post, but that gave me a laugh.


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Super S51, stop being ignorant.

/stop

I am seeing this film, maybe tommorow, or Sunday. based on all the reviews you people are giving it, not sure I can stomache it.

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I’m not going to die, I’m going to see if I was ever alive. - Spike

It's not your right to decide whether they live or die. They deserve a chance! - Vash

I just came back from seeing it. To be honest, I feel pretty ripped off, and I want my five bucks back! :/



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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

I've been noticing an interesting trend among major Hollywood actors. Tom Cruise and John Travolta are members of the Church of Scientology, Mel Gibson's a christian fundamentalist (as it were)... what's next? Harrison Ford delcares himself a member of the Kaballah and attempts to hurl the little asian kid from Temple of Doom off of the 5 sephiroth?

I jsut got back from seeing it. As an atheist, it was really quite boring. Man gets all kind sof **** beat out of him. 75% of the movie is in slow motion. The end. All the christians in the room start crying. The cinematography was pretty good i guess, but it jsut isn't a good "movie".

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WOOSH.
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I thought I was the only person that ever cried at Green Mile... its good to know I'm not alone.