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2007-04-19, 3:49 PM #281
But how much money does Dave get with this "buyback program" compared to the negotiable prices in the blackmarket? He probably paid good money to get his weapons, how would he be inclined to turn them in if what he gets back is poor.

And gun manufacturers are still companies. They can figure out as to how many guns they need to make. It's not like they are magically immune to the economy.
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2007-04-19, 4:12 PM #282
Originally posted by Run:
stuff


You know, I was going to write a big post about what you said and why its wrong, but since you openly ackowledge that guns aren't the problem and yet you still want to focus on guns as if they are, I don't really see the point. You continue to insist that gun control will somehow reduce gun crime. Where's the proof? I haven't seen any study that has shown that gun control laws actually affect the rate of gun crime. Heck, here's a study done by the Journal of the American Medical Association that states the Brady Bill didn't do ANYTHING whatsoever to reduce murders or overall suicides. You bring up Australia, except that murders in Australia have not dropped in any statistically significant way since the gun laws were enacted, while manslaughter actually rose quite a bit. In addition to that, their violent crimes such as armed robberies, kidnappings, and assualts all rose by a good margin as well. As far as Vermont being only 1/50 success rate, this study actually was done of all the counties across the United States that now allow for concealed carry, and it concludes that such laws caused overall violent crime to be reduced. So, apparently it isn't just in Vermont, but pretty much everywhere people are allowed to carry.

Just to be clear, I am a firm believer in the need to have a thorough background check (criminal as well as medical) to ensure that we're not selling guns to some sociopath, but I fail to see the reason for anything else.
Life is beautiful.
2007-04-19, 4:16 PM #283
Here's an interesting article: Low Tech - Thank God the Blacksburg killer only had guns.
"Flowers and a landscape were the only attractions here. And so, as there was no good reason for coming, nobody came."
2007-04-19, 4:21 PM #284
Originally posted by alpha1:
but if you had a gun buyback program with an amnisty, dave could give his weapons in and get the money all at once. he would do it because unless he was doing it for the mafia, he would find it easier than selling them one at a time and risking a bust by the police. I also think that gun manufacturors are making far too many guns than are needed. because the amount of guns in the US, if you include the ones in stores, is probably so great that if it were any other market using that method, they would have run themselves out of buisness due to arket floodage.


Huh? Why would dave sell his guns to the government? For one, they would pay ****ty money for them I can almost guarantee. Two, if the government tried to take my guns we would see just how well gun control works.

And the gun market can't really be oversaturated. I can have a carry pistol (go Kimber) but I'll still probably want a different gun for rabbit hunting, for deer hunting, for target shooting, a private weapon if they let me take one to Iraq (m14 anyone? yes yes, oh yes, OH GOD YES) and so on.

Also, if I buy one gun, and tinker with it, I might buy another one to try different things on it. It's no different than buying lots of computers. And guns DO wear out. I retired my .30-06 a while ago.

Also, gun manufacturers really don't make that many guns.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2007-04-19, 4:33 PM #285
Oh, and Jack Thompson's an idiot. :hist101:
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2007-04-19, 4:42 PM #286
Originally posted by Rogue Leader:
Oh, and Jack Thompson's an idiot. :hist101:


Yeah that too.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2007-04-19, 4:46 PM #287
Actually, now that I think about it, even if I were to assume that Jack Thompson is correct and that these kids all trained on violent video games in order to be able to carry out their crimes, it still doesn't deal with the slight problem that these kids are all homicidal maniacs that want to kill a bunch of other people. You would think that instead of worrying about whether they played video games to train for these things, Jack would be more worried about dealing with the fact that these people are a bunch of sociopaths and how to help them.
Life is beautiful.
2007-04-19, 4:50 PM #288
One man verse a "corrupting" multi-billion dollar international industry is, after all, a romantic dream.
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2007-04-19, 4:56 PM #289
Wow have any of you seen those videos of the killer?

Pretty chilling.
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2007-04-19, 5:31 PM #290
Dr Phil says "The person responsible is the guy that did this."

Go Dr., Go Phil...
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2007-04-19, 9:08 PM #291
Those graphs that show a decrease in violence against the release of various games and consoles is interesting. Perhaps people are increasingly blowing off steam with virtual violence in lieu of physical violence.
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2007-04-19, 9:26 PM #292
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Those graphs that show a decrease in violence against the release of various games and consoles is interesting. Perhaps people are increasingly blowing off steam with virtual violence in lieu of physical violence.


when i have a good gaming session i'm less angry and more awake than i was before i started playing

and i mean a good one... not one where i get stuck with slappy the tking wonder idiot or mr nopubes the 12 year old admin or an entire team of captain brownpants who stop all forward movement just short of objectives because they might get shot (i usually beg admins to turn FF on so i can bring some red army motivational tactics to captain brownpants)
eat right, exercise, die anyway
2007-04-20, 1:02 AM #293
They made connections of his actions to some Korean film.

The film had the same hammer picture and various other ones.
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2007-04-20, 4:08 AM #294
Consider the national grieving and understandable upset that this one incident has caused the American people, and then consider that massacres like this occur in Iraq every single day. Consider the psychological effects this must have on the Iraqi people, and that's worrying.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2007-04-20, 10:12 AM #295
Ever since the shooting i've been scared of asian people!

Even the girls! ZOMG!!! :argh:
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elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
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2007-04-20, 10:35 AM #296
Originally posted by Ruthven:
Ever since the shooting i've been scared of asian people!

Even the girls! ZOMG!!! :argh:


You see? You see?!

This is exactly what I didn't want to happen!

Argh! I'm the only Asian/Korean in one of my classes! :argh:

Tennis is full of them :P
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2007-04-20, 11:04 AM #297
I just wanted to apologize for my previous comment which got me banned. I didn't really mean it, I've been going through some **** lately and my extreme cynicism and apathy has made it hard for me to feel much sympathy for others. What I said was completely uncalled for, and I apologize.
2007-04-20, 12:14 PM #298
Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
Consider the national grieving and understandable upset that this one incident has caused the American people, and then consider that massacres like this occur in Iraq every single day. Consider the psychological effects this must have on the Iraqi people, and that's worrying.


Its more worrying when the leader continually did it to his citizens.
"The only crime I'm guilty of is love [of china]"
- Ruthven
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