I would like that to but what does that have to do with Palin?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=836304396

Twelve minute interview on energy policy with Gov. Sarah Palin.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1837536,00.html

Text of another interview with Sarah Palin on the topic of how she got into politics and her experiences as a mother, governor, and Alaskan.

That statement is incredibly flawed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Palin

He's just an average joe really, he doesnt own ****.

Yeah, he's a pretty normal guy.

That's just what they want you to think... he's probably a superhero.

You know, after thinking about it more, I began to get more irritated because of the Palin pick. The only thing she brings to the table no one else could have plus more is that she is a woman. So, obviously, McCain is going after the woman vote, specifically those that voted for Hillary. That made me think "Well, Palin and Clinton are politically opposed. I don't think they'll go for Palin and I'd think they'd be insulted that McCain thinks their stupid and sexist enough to vote for him just because of Palin." Once again I underestimate the stupidity and shallowness of the masses. I can't really be mad at McCain for capitalizing on it.

If the Obama campaign is smart, they'll spend these last weeks pounding the hell out of how she is far from being supportive of the typical women's issues. No abortion even with rape and incest? That makes even some pro-life people shift uncomfortably in their seat.

Some, but not many. I saw an anti-McCain advertisement today saying how he wants to overturn RoeVsWade. I thought, really? Maybe I should vote for him after all!

Men (like McCain) who are pro-life, just end up pissing me off.

I don't understand why a Hilary supporter would switch to McCain. Obama and Clinton basically had the same policies, McCain is totally different from either.

I don't see why. Pro-Life people that devalue any fetus aren't really Pro-Life.

Many Hilary supporters only cared that she was a woman.

I was, however, saying basically the same thing that I had no idea why so many BHO supporters hated HRC when they basically had the same policy.

Yeah, every girl should be forced to birth their rape-child. I mean, they deserved it right?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808300006?f=h_popular

That article's very relevant to the original topic.

I'm pro-choice, but I think you're totally missing the point of pro-lifers.

I was commenting on "I don't see why. Pro-Life people that devalue any fetus aren't really Pro-Life." Not pro-lifers in general.

Well the basic position of the pro-lifers is that the potential child did no wrong, it was either the fault of the couple, the rapist, or some other scenario. Which is true, the potential child did not do anything wrong. But in the case of rape, I wouldn't want a woman to go through any more pain than she should.

Yeah, their point is that the child is not at fault and has just as much right to avoid pain or death as the woman. It's unfortunate that it happened, but the child shouldn't have to pay for it.

That's their idea, anyway.

Wow, nobody is talking about forcing anybody to do anything. But I think that if something wonderful can come from something so heinous then it shouldn't be destroyed. I've always thought it is so ironic that a couple that loves eachother and tries for a baby can so often be unsuccessful but that from an act of violence or depravity a beautiful baby can result. It is almost that the terrible act is compensated by the miracle of life.

Apparantly some have more of a Roman view on the topic, though.

Pretty sure when you outlaw abortions in all cases, which is something Palin supports, you force someone to take a rape pregnancy to term.

And thus comes the main issue between pro-lifers and pro-choicers, specifically when it comes to rape cases. Who gets to decide if that child is going to be a beacon of good coming out of evil or a constant reminder of horrendous pain and agony?

Did you honestly think race and sex isn't going to be an issue? I doubt Americans are going to look at a black man, a woman and white guy and see three equal human beings as presidential candidates. They are going to see a black man, a woman and a white guy as presidential candidates. They are probably going to continue to see that for a while. I'd like to think I'm wrong when I say that, but I don't think I am.

I bet analysts have fun with this year's voting.

Being pro-life does not equal supporting outlawing abortion in all cases. The typical pro-life conservative believes that states should be allowed to set their own laws regarding the subject.

You do understand I was discussing Palin, not all pro-lifers, right? I even explicitly stated in a previous post that Palin's pro-life stance =/= all pro-life stances. Hell, even in the quote you have I specifically say "when you outlaw abortions in all cases, which is something Palin supports..." Pretty sure I didn't even insinuate that I was talking about all pro-lifers.

Any pro-life person that says it should be up to the states clearly doesn't understand what they are advocating. If you're going to be against abortion because it's unacceptable murder and baby killing, but then defer to the states, it pretty much makes your stance pointless as you are evidently fine with sitting by as unacceptable murder and baby killing occurs in other states. To take it further, why only defer to the states? Why not the individual? Because you'd then be pro-choice. Being pro-life is not something you can only be on a local level because the issue from the pro-life point of view(murder!) is far too important to only apply in some places.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/08/30/worst_pick_ever.html

I didn't know about the contraception issue. I didn't think the far right was going to start coming out of its hole. I don't think I can handle both extremes at the same time.

Wookie06, do you agree with these views?

Even if that is true, it would NEVER happen. For four reasons --

1.- Lack of birth control would make us as overpopulated as china

2.- Most of the overpopulation would be minorities and the white supremist government would NOT like that.

3.- Overpopulation, especially in the more poverty stricken families, would drive us further into this new depression we are facing.

4.- Condoms are currently our best defense against aids, thus banning them would cause the disease to become widespread and then form a uncureable pandemic.




So, really using that in an argument is kind of pointless. Just like the whole prolife hubub, because even if someone is pro-life, chances of abortion being outlawed are slim to none. For example bush is prolife, but in eight years the only thing thats chaged is our policy on war and terror.

Reguardless, as long as the democrats hold the majority in the house and senate, you won't ever have to worry about any of these things anyway.

Just my POV anyway.

Many Clinton supporters voted for her on that basis because the policy differences were fairly minor. That's obviously not the case with McCain/Palin.

Can't say for Wookie06 but I sure as hell don't. And I'm "pro-life." This planet needs MORE birth control not less of it!

I'm probably the only real pro-lifer here, and I agree that birth control is a good thing. If anything, birth control reduces the number of abortions - there is nothing more disgusting than someone using abortion as birth control. The contraceptive I see any objection to from the pro-life crowd is the morning after pill.

i am REALLY surprised and more than a little disappointed in you guys! there is not one bit of evidence as of yet to support the claim that she opposes birth control. the site that the "she opposes birth control" quote is from doesnt even have a source for the information! COME ON! i really expected better from you people! especially considering with just a tiny amount of digging i was able to find several different sites, some dating back to '06, that state she is PRO contraception!
what the hell man!

But...it was on the internet...

Wikipedia or GTFO


xD

i nearly fell over laughing when i read this! i think you just restored my faith in massassi krok

The bias is so think on the rest of the website... I thought it was obvious that is wasn't credible. :?

She is part of the group Feminists for Life, an anti-abortion, anti-contraception group. They believe that contraception just turns women into sex receptacles, and oppose the use of contraception in all cases.

Time to get anal.

Which brings me back to my original point.

F*** YEAH HOT ALASKAN GILF

actually they officially have NO stance on contraception. as stated ON THE FEMINISTS FOR LIFE WEBSITE, their members have a wide range of opinions on birth control. where the heck are you getting this 'oppose the use of contraception in all cases' business from?

You realize, of course, that the feminist movement is pro-life. There's a lot of 'feminists' who are pro-choice, but the founder of the feminist movement herself condemns abortion, and points out how it actually causes damage to women.