ok i think i had a change of heart. i still am having trouble finding anything of substance that would make palin a poor choice for V.P. except.... she is still in the process of raising her own children... one of which is not even a year old. whats going to happen if iran goes nuclear on our arses and mcCain has a heart attack and palin is in the middle of nursing her 5 month old? granted a fairly far fetched situation, but...

You saw a ton of crap in one sentence that wasn't even there.

This is like secondhand information but word in Alaska is the 5 month old was actually born to the daughter, and Palin pretended it was hers

Wouldn't be surprised at all if that was true. The same thing happened to my friend... she was from a very conservative family too.

Well, they already announced her daughter is pregnant, so it's doubtful.

How pregnant is her daughter? If it lines up right, it could be POSSIBLE. But it sounds like just another stupid rumor with no basis in reality.

She's 5 months pregnant.

I think the speech will actually be pretty good. The expectations are low, and barring some crazy disaster the speech will be well received.

I've read some excerpts, and she has some zingers at Obama--the crowd will go nuts. She plays the sympathy angle pretty hard, and her digs at the media will be sure to please the Republican crowd.

Plus, she seems like she'll be good at reading a teleprompter, as you'd put it.

Total BS. Especially considering Sarah Palin's infant son has Downs Syndrome. Downs Syndrome is much more prevalent in later life pregnancies.

Wow, your brain really is wired wrong.

I thought her older son had downs...

The worst part about jumping on rumor bandwagons like that is that it makes you and everything you believe in look retarded. It's a amazing to see the legions of morons who are willing to believe any bit of unconfirmed info that puts people they don't like in a bad light. Then, when no one picks up those stories because, say, the source was some random blogger's rampant speculation, it's a media conspiracy.

Wait. Please please please tell me I'm misunderstanding you.

Are you saying that under all circumstances a child should be kept by the mother? If its an accidental pregnancy, the mother has to accept the child as 'punishment'
So... what if the mother is unfit / unable to provide? Giving it away is bad?

Or what if it wasnt a mistake. what if it was forced?


But yea, if i didnt understand what you're saying, please correct me

I think he's saying that's what Obama thinks, and saying I think the same thing... which I don't. I just don't think any 17-year-old should have to redirect her whole life because she didn't know how to use a condom. And knowing lots of conservative families (aka all my relatives), I wouldn't be surprised if she's keeping it and getting married because of family pressure and because it's the "right" thing to do.

A CHILD IS NOT A PUNISHMENT.

Seriously.

That might be because the effects of advising them to have safe sex if they're going to have sex are not more negative.

i was simply asking what wookie meant. no need to get your panties in a bunch

:saddowns:

Why do you think he has it in quotes, numnuts.

Bristol Palin's got a rack!

She's speaking right now.

Her son is ****ing hot.

Can we really afford to take the chance of having an Alaskan secessionist as our VP? :downs:

It seems she changed her mind on alternative energy.

And since when are Republicans so opposed to due process?

Since they aren't a conservative party.

I like how they **** all over Ron Paul... a sitting senator, in their party. So he throws his own convention next door.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I give people named Vinny and possibly mb any kind of due process! We should lynch them!

He's a congressman. Be careful, you'll be called a moron.



If I was a conspiracy theorist I would say that was an insult because he joined the military. Instead, I prefer to assume you are ignorant. You can tell me if I'm right or not.



No, I said I could infer what I stated in that paragraph. Instead, I explained in the next paragraph how I assumed he meant it based, literally, on what he said.



The problem with that is that no matter what you advise them on, when that method fails, you are left with a certain situation. If you advise a kid on all of the "safe sex" techniques, when they fail to use them the problem is the same as when the fail to use the abstinence technique. There is no way that the kid did not know condoms and abstinence prevented pregnancy and disease. "Safe sex" is not safe. Not only for physical reasons but mental and emotional reasons. I don't think sex education should delete references to "safe sex" but I do think they should emphasize abstinence as being the best method.



And you and I are perverts for noticing.



That is SOOOOO gay.

BTW, her speach was awesome.

BTW, Vinny. I now.... Love you....

Awesome vid!

I'm married.

I'm just saying...

discreet...

call me

wookie i think most of us here agree with this statement made by you.



i think fewer people would be in contention with you over this topic if you had stated this much earlier.

lol

I saw a clip of her speaking and there was a downs kid standing by her. I assumed it was her son because I heard her son had down syndrome.

But I guess not.

Wow. This thread is a shining example of how hypocritical this election has become as a whole. For the first part of this election the left was accused of knee jerk attacks and overly defensive reactions while the right was accused of spreading lies and rumors about the other candidate based on almost nothing. Now the situation has flipped. The right has started the knee jerk defensive attacks and the left is now trying to spread baseless rumors about the opposing ticket. Good job.

That happens in every election.

The is no such thing as a "defensive attack". That is an oxymoron.

Counter attack. Complete irrational overreaction to the smallest offenses. Playing the victim. Whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

Well, yeah. That's why I propose teaching as many effective methods as possible rather than just one. (The latter is what abstinence-only education is, and that's what Palin supports.)



Sure. But teaching them only one method (abstinence) means that those who won't use it are left without any protection at all. Give those who won't abstain anyway the means to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy, and yes, the result of failure will be the same, but it'll happen less often.



Teenagers who go through abstinence-only education may be dimly aware of condoms and other birth control methods, but it's clear that there's nothing instinctive about being able to use them properly -- a Google search will turn up dozens of articles about teens failing to operate a simple condom correctly.



Few things are. "Safe sex" is so called because it's safer than irresponsible sex, not because it's safe in an absolute sense. And I'd say that consensual sex that doesn't result in any physical consequences is pretty unlikely to do any lasting emotional or mental harm to teenagers either.



That's fine. I'm more or less in agreement. But -- and I mean absolutely no offense here -- it's really not your views on sex education I'm worried about. You're not running for Vice President; Palin is. If you don't intend to defend her to the hilt on this, that's fine too.

Oh, so now you don't like semantics. Go figure.

What, precisely, is the "defensive attack" you would like to discuss?

I personally loved the praise she received tonight about how day one of being elected mayor of "Wah-Silly" (as Obama would say) Palin had more executive experience than Biden and 'Bama combined.

Where have you been the last 10 years in American politics?

Okay, I think this probably isn't going to be a problem but I have to make sure... you know I wasn't serious about the Alaskan Independence Party thing, right?

Edit: And also that I'm not left... which kind of makes me wonder why I felt I needed to ask this.

Do you really want to bring this up again? Do you really want me to have to point out again you're the one making the semantics arguments?

I actually editted the post to try to tone it down, but oh well.


Trying to believe people are better than this crap?

Then I wasn't talking about you.


edit: Just watched Palin's speech. If nothing else, she sure has a set of claws on her and she knows how to use them.

You put waaaay too much faith in humanity. You'll feel better if you just accept the fact that people suck balls.

Also you seem to be taking all this on a bit of a personal level.